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WHODATHUNKIT DEPARTMENT FOR SAL AND SEAOAT: Looks like Jimmy Carter is a racist who condones white men murdering black children too.

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knothead
TEOTWAWKI
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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/17/jimmy-carter-george-zimmerman_n_3609912.html

Nekochan

Nekochan

Good for Jimmy Carter. I had thought that he'd never have anything to say that I'd agree with.

nadalfan



I've heard several people bring up the issue of legality vs. morality. The impression I got from the juror was that they felt they had no other choice based on the law; some of them wanted to charge him with something. I do believe that a lot of this outrage is centered on a violated sense of morality.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

nadalfan wrote:I've heard several people bring up the issue of legality vs. morality.  The impression I got from the juror was that they felt they had no other choice based on the law; some of them wanted to charge him with something.  I do believe that a lot of this outrage is centered on a violated sense of morality.  

But that outrage appears to be selective and appears to be selective based on race.  

We have two cases to apply the same "jury verdict vs morality" question to.

In one (Zimmerman),  there is a white defendant and a dead black

In the other (O.J. Simpson),  there is a black defendant and two dead whites.

The black community is outraged by the first example.  But not the second one.

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:
nadalfan wrote:I've heard several people bring up the issue of legality vs. morality.  The impression I got from the juror was that they felt they had no other choice based on the law; some of them wanted to charge him with something.  I do believe that a lot of this outrage is centered on a violated sense of morality.  

But that outrage appears to be selective and appears to be selective based on race.  

We have two cases to apply the same "jury verdict vs morality" question to.

In one (Zimmerman),  there is a white defendant and a dead black

In the other (O.J. Simpson),  there is a black defendant and two dead whites.

The black community is outraged by the first example.  But not the second one.

My goodness, I wonder if there might be some historical context regarding African-Americans and the justice system that might help to explain such reactions.

Or, maybe we're living in a vacuum.

I dunno.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

It's all revenge Bob for slavery, you know if if it wasn't for slavery they would all have been living has kings and queens in Africa. Free stuff helps ease the pain of their loss. 40 acres and a mule, reparations and all that BS. Kuntakentay vs chicken George...black identity, hell I still am having problems with my hillbilly identity..

nadalfan



In an ideal world, we all would have grown up in a level playing field, with justice being equal for all Americans. Historically, however, that is not the case. We learn from our environment and parents what the world is like. It wasn't that long ago that blacks were openly and legally discriminated against and that police treated them unfairly. Still today, we find inequality in the criminal justice system. That's the reality that African Americans have grown up in and live under, and that's what shapes their perceptions.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

It could equally be said that blacks bring much of their troubles on themselves. I have met Blacks from the Caribbean and from Europe and they are educated and more intelligent than most white Americans. The problem is there is little investment here in education at the family level for most blacks. Anyone seeking to get an education is actually persecuted by other blacks as being uppity and ashamed of their race. No, the race baiters are more than happy to keep blacks pulling each other back into the uneducated pit they want to keep them in. All about control and power.

nadalfan



TEOTWAWKI wrote:It could equally be said that blacks bring much of their troubles on themselves. I have met Blacks from the Caribbean and from Europe and they are educated and more intelligent than most white Americans. The problem is there is little investment here in education at the family level for most blacks. Anyone seeking to get an education is actually persecuted by other blacks as being uppity and ashamed of their race. No, the race baiters are more than happy to keep blacks pulling each other back into the uneducated pit they want to keep them in. All about control and power.

In a harsh sense, what you say about blacks helping themselves is true, but you can't discount other factors that affect this community, like poverty for one. Things are improving slowly; for instance, more blacks are attending and graduating from college, but like all cultural and societal changes, it's a slow process and the perceptions of reality, sometimes accurate ones, that some live under are hard to break. There is a lot of dicussion, research, and opinion as to how solve some of these problems. I certainly don't know the answer, but I do believe cultural sensitivity and an understanding of the dynamics that affect a group is a necessary part of that process.

Guest


Guest

Something very important was taken from the black family... though slavery and discrimination are key factors... the family unit didn't significantly break down until the govt solutions began fifty some odd years ago. It's important to look at the events and results dispassionately and objectively if able... otherwise you are part of the problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Family:_The_Case_For_National_Action

knothead

knothead

President Carter's view of the Zimmerman trial largely mirrors my own and the former President is one of the most admired living ex Presidents for his candor and sense of social responsibility/morality . . . . . a damn good man. He never stopped serving humanity after his term as president something we could all emulate.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Truth be known in the era of slavery there were far more white slaves than blacks.  The difference is they were called indentured servants. As an indentured servant you were a virtual slave until you paid your debt to your owner    You could be imprisoned beaten or shot for trying to escape your owner.

Sal

Sal

WHODATHUNKIT DEPARTMENT FOR SAL AND SEAOAT: Looks like Jimmy Carter is a racist who condones white men murdering black children too. Larges10

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

knothead wrote:President Carter's view of the Zimmerman trial largely mirrors my own and the former President is one of the most admired living ex Presidents for his candor and sense of social responsibility/morality . . . . . a damn good man.  He never stopped serving humanity after his term as president something we could all emulate.

He's also been an outspoken champion of civil rights and minorities ever since I first heard of him.
So if Jimmy Carter can have this opinion about the outcome of this trial, then that's pretty good evidence that someone who disagrees with the black community about this verdict is not always driven to that decision because he or she is racist.
That's the point.


Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Bob wrote:
knothead wrote:President Carter's view of the Zimmerman trial largely mirrors my own and the former President is one of the most admired living ex Presidents for his candor and sense of social responsibility/morality . . . . . a damn good man.  He never stopped serving humanity after his term as president something we could all emulate.

He's also been an outspoken champion of civil rights and minorities ever since I first heard of him.  
So if Jimmy Carter can have this opinion about the outcome of this trial,  then that's pretty good evidence that someone who disagrees with the black community about this verdict is not always driven to that decision because he or she is racist.
That's the point.



That is the point....the posters that agreed with the verdict were falsely labeled as racists. The fact the evidence didn't support the charges didn't matter to some....they wanted to jump on the band wagon and scream racism.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Nekochan wrote:Good for Jimmy Carter.  I had thought that he'd never have anything to say that I'd agree with.

"Good" because you think he's a racist?

Nekochan

Nekochan

Floridatexan wrote:
Nekochan wrote:Good for Jimmy Carter.  I had thought that he'd never have anything to say that I'd agree with.

"Good" because you think he's a racist?

What???

I think Carter is a Socialist but I never thought or suggested that he's a racist.

knothead

knothead

Nekochan wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
Nekochan wrote:Good for Jimmy Carter.  I had thought that he'd never have anything to say that I'd agree with.

"Good" because you think he's a racist?

What???

I think Carter is a Socialist but I never thought or suggested that he's a racist.

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St. Neko, just as I was beginning to believe you were reasonable person you say President Carter is a Socialist!!! OMG, you burst my bubble dear . . . . . .what a preposterous claim. Just can't get over the demonization the right wing inflicted can you?

Nekochan

Nekochan

Oh well. You should just get used to disagreeing with me.Cool 

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

The word "socialism" is now almost impossible to define.
The word used to actually have a definition.  But now it's used to describe so many things and is defined so many different ways that it doesn't have any meaning any longer. At least not a meaning that everyone can agree on.

Guest


Guest

TEOTWAWKI wrote:It's all revenge Bob for slavery, you know if if it wasn't for slavery they would all have been living has kings and queens in Africa. Free stuff helps ease the pain of their loss. 40 acres and a mule, reparations and all that BS. Kuntakentay vs chicken George...black identity, hell I still am having problems with my hillbilly identity..

Don't forget the fact that Africans sold the ancestors of the current day African Americans into slavery.

Guest


Guest

Nekochan wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
Nekochan wrote:Good for Jimmy Carter.  I had thought that he'd never have anything to say that I'd agree with.

"Good" because you think he's a racist?

What???

I think Carter is a Socialist but I never thought or suggested that he's a racist.

Carter is anti-Semitic

Nekochan

Nekochan

Bob is right...so many varying types and levels of socialism.

I know that Carter hasn't exactly been a friend of Jews.  That doesn't make him a racist.  Maybe a religious bigot?

2seaoat



"I think the jury made the right decision based in the evidence presented because the prosecution inadvertently set the standard so high that the jury had to be convinced that it was a deliberate act by Zimmerman and that he was not defending himself and so forth," he said. "It's not a moral question, it's a legal question and the American law requires that the jury listens to the evidence presented."


Its a legal question, but like so many who voice opinions, President Carter suggests that the prosecution inadvertently set the standard so high that the jury had to be convinced that it was a deliberate act

President Carter was a nuclear engineer. He had a distinguished career in the Navy and served his country in the office of President. I voted for President Ford, and then for Ronald Reagan. I have great admiration for President Carter since leaving the presidency. However, the act of murder or the lesser included offense of manslaughter by ACT, require that George Zimmerman intended to shoot Trayvon. There never was a question it was a deliberate act, or that the Prosecution did anything inadvertently. I agree it was a fair trial. I think the state proved manslaughter beyond a reasonable doubt, but the jurors had doubt, and I respect their decision.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

PACEDOG#1 wrote:
Nekochan wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
Nekochan wrote:Good for Jimmy Carter.  I had thought that he'd never have anything to say that I'd agree with.

"Good" because you think he's a racist?

What???

I think Carter is a Socialist but I never thought or suggested that he's a racist.

Carter is anti-Semitic

You say that like it's a bad thing....

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