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Blacks benefit from Florida ‘Stand Your Ground’ law at disproportionate rate

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Nekochan

Nekochan

http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/16/blacks-benefit-from-florida-stand-your-ground-law-at-disproportionate-rate/


African Americans benefit from Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law at a rate far out of proportion to their presence in the state’s population, despite an assertion by Attorney General Eric Holder that repealing “Stand Your Ground” would help African Americans.

Black Floridians have made about a third of the state’s total “Stand Your Ground” claims in homicide cases, a rate nearly double the black percentage of Florida’s population. The majority of those claims have been successful, a success rate that exceeds that for Florida whites.

Nonetheless, prominent African Americans including Holder and “Ebony and Ivory” singer Stevie Wonder, who has vowed not to perform in the Sunshine State until the law is revoked, have made “Stand Your Ground” a central part of the Trayvon Martin controversy.

Holder, who was pressured by the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and other progressive groups to open a civil rights case against acquitted neighborhood watchman George Zimmerman in the 2012 shooting death of 17-year-old Martin, criticized Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” self-defense law in a speech Tuesday before the NAACP.

The law was not invoked by Zimmerman’s defense team but was included in instructions to the jury.

“We must confront the underlying attitudes, the mistaken beliefs and the unfortunate stereotypes that serve too often as the basis for police action and private judgments. Separate and apart from the case that has drawn the nation’s attention, it’s time to question laws that senselessly expand the concept of self-defense and sow dangerous conflict in our neighborhood,” Holder said to applause in his speech before the NAACP Tuesday.

“These laws try to fix something that was never broken. There has always been a legal defense for using deadly force if — and the ‘if’ is important — if no safe retreat is available. But we must examine laws that take this further by eliminating the common-sense and age-old requirement that people who feel threatened have a duty to retreat, outside their home, if they can do so safely. By allowing and perhaps encouraging violent situations to escalate in public, such laws undermine public safety,” Holder said.

“The list of resulting tragedies is long and, unfortunately, has victimized too many who are innocent. It is our collective obligation; we must stand OUR ground to ensure — (cheers, applause, music) — we must stand our ground to ensure that our laws reduce violence, and take a hard look at laws that contribute to more violence than they prevent,” Holder said.

But approximately one third of Florida “Stand Your Ground” claims in fatal cases have been made by black defendants, and they have used the defense successfully 55 percent of the time, at the same rate as the population at large and at a higher rate than white defendants, according to a Daily Caller analysis of a database maintained by the Tampa Bay Times. Additionally, the majority of victims in Florida “Stand Your Ground” cases have been white.

African Americans used “Stand Your Ground” defenses at nearly twice the rate of their presence in the Florida population, which was listed at 16.6 percent in 2012.



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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal posted the other day that the solution is to make it more difficult for defendants to use the self-defense defense.
Someone here got to thinking about all this. And realized that since most of the violence is black on black that there would be more black people needing to defend themselves against assailants than white people needing to do that. And then pointed out to Sal that the same black people he's wanting to help would be the ones most harmed by doing what he was suggesting.

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:Sal posted the other day that the solution is to make it more difficult for defendants to use the self-defense defense.
Someone here got to thinking about all this.  And realized that since most of the violence is black on black that there would be more black people needing to defend themselves against assailants than white people needing to do that.   And then pointed out to Sal that the same black people he's wanting to help would be the ones most harmed by doing what he was suggesting.


I have no idea what you're blathering about, Bob.

Are you still drunk from last night?

Which "black people" specifically am I "wanting to help"?

Nekochan

Nekochan

Well, you know if it was mostly whites or Hispanics using the stand your ground defense after they killed blacks, then Sal and others would have a point. But some people just have "racism" stuck in their brains and there is no rational discussions to be had with them.

Guest


Guest

Nekochan wrote:Well, you know if it was mostly whites or Hispanics using the stand your ground defense after they killed blacks, then Sal and others would have a point.   But some people just have "racism" stuck in their brains and there is no rational discussions to be had with them.

      Did someone send the stats to AG Holder...NAACP...Jesse Jackson....Al Sharpton...MSNBC...and other civil rights leaders?.....A few years ago the NAACP endorsed a boycott against Biloxi....Mississippi for the flag issue...Biloxi and the State of Mississippi survived and the state flag remains the same....

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Sal wrote:
I have no idea what you're blathering about, Bob.

Are you still drunk from last night?

Which "black people" specifically am I "wanting to help"?[/font]

Well if I'm going to be challenged on it,  let me see if I can't find the posts in question and I'll provide them here.  But first I need to get some bacon and eggs to help cure the hangover.  lol

But I'll go ahead and answer your last question.  You are of the opinion that "racists" like George Zimmerman can gun down innocent black people and get away with it by claiming self-defense.  You've made that clear so I hope you're not going to start denying it now.  
So,  since it's black people who you feel are being victimized by the stand your ground law,  then it's black people you're wanting to help by eliminating this defense.
I have no idea why you even asked the question,  Sal.  lol



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Guest


Guest

Bob wrote:
Sal wrote:
I have no idea what you're blathering about, Bob.

Are you still drunk from last night?

Which "black people" specifically am I "wanting to help"?[/font]

Well if I'm going to be challenged on it,  let me see if I can't find the posts in question and I'll provide them here.  But first I need to get some bacon and eggs to help cure the hangover.  lol

But I'll go ahead and answer your last question.  You are of the opinion that "racists" like George Zimmerman can gun down innocent black people and get away with it by claiming self-defense.  You've made that clear so I hope you're not going to start denying it now.  
So,  since it's black people who you feel are being victimized by the stand your ground law,  then it's black people you're wanting to help by eliminating this defense.
I have no idea why you even asked the question,  Sal.  lol

    Because it's 'sal'....and when he's called on his statements/opinions he does his best to deflect and deny...

2seaoat



The historic castle doctrine has now gone beyond the moat......therein lies the problem, and it has nothing to do with race. Now when folks start talking about boycotting Florida because of Stand Your Ground, there will be revisiting the issue by the legislators, but I hope the castle doctrine is not disturbed. I have no problem with reinstating civil penalties and I would like to see liability insurance on any conceal and carry permit. If somebody is going to gun down a bread winner of a family, I want to make sure that family has some resources for that possible wrongful act. I would rather the license fees go toward insurance than going to the government.

Guest


Guest

If I were planning to accost innocent civilians I would go to another state too.

Guest


Guest

PkrBum wrote:If I were planning to accost innocent civilians I would go to another state too.

 LOL! The law is working....wouldn't suggest Texas either....

nadalfan



Why is that when someone believes racial discrimination is a factor in a situation, some people automatically assume that that belief comes from "white guilt" or political correctness or manipulation by some?
Are some of you implying racial discrimination and profiling doesn't exist at all or just in the Zimmerman case?
Is it really that far fetched that someone would see a black teen in a hoodie in their neighborhood and assume that he is a criminal? I'm not asking if that is right, I'm asking if that could happen.

Guest


Guest

nadalfan wrote:Why is that when someone believes racial discrimination is a factor in a situation, some people automatically assume that that belief comes from "white guilt" or political correctness or manipulation by some?
Are some of you implying racial discrimination and profiling doesn't exist at all or just in the Zimmerman case?
Is it really that far fetched that someone would see a black teen in a hoodie in their neighborhood and assume that he is a criminal?  I'm not asking if that is right, I'm asking if that could happen.

     The FBI said there was no indication of this being based on race...But there are many indications that suggest the arrest and then trial was manipulated by groups wants to push the race issue...When throwing out a blanket statement like...are some of you implying racial discrimination and profiling doesn't exist at all...then that would indicate that because it does exist it has to be a factor in every case simply by existing...Just because racism still exists doesn't make everyone a racist...We've been introduced to the term 'white-hispanic' what was the purpose for that?...Is it more politically correct or easier to push a political agenda by making sure that there is a white v black componet in order to exploit the issue whether it's there or not?...

Nekochan

Nekochan

Yes, it does happen or at least it used to happen. I have known blacks it happened to when they were simply driving through a neighborhood (where they lived) and they were stopped by police for no apparent legal reason. This was some years ago and happened in a small town which was pretty much racially segregated when it came to housing and neighborhoods. The cops at the time obviously weren't aware that yes, a black family DID live in that white neighborhood. Which isn't the point, because they shouldn't have been stopped for no reason in the first place.

I don't know that it's as prevalent today. I hope not. I wish if we have blacks on this forum they would share their experiences.

nadalfan



newswatcher wrote:
nadalfan wrote:Why is that when someone believes racial discrimination is a factor in a situation, some people automatically assume that that belief comes from "white guilt" or political correctness or manipulation by some?
Are some of you implying racial discrimination and profiling doesn't exist at all or just in the Zimmerman case?
Is it really that far fetched that someone would see a black teen in a hoodie in their neighborhood and assume that he is a criminal?  I'm not asking if that is right, I'm asking if that could happen.

     The FBI said there was no indication of this being based on race...But there are many indications that suggest the arrest and then trial was manipulated by groups wants to push the race issue...When throwing out a blanket statement like...are some of you implying racial discrimination and profiling doesn't exist at all...then that would indicate that because it does exist it has to be a factor in every case simply by existing...Just because racism still exists doesn't make everyone a racist...We've been introduced to the term 'white-hispanic' what was the purpose for that?...Is it more politically correct or easier to push a political agenda by making sure that there is a white v black componet in order to exploit the issue whether it's there or not?...
No, I did not imply it exists in every case, but I get the impression that anytime it is mentioned, not just in this case, people claim it's because of the reasons I listed before.
By the way, white Hispanic is appropriate, there are Hispanics of different races. He may look a little dark skinned, but he is considered white. I'm not sure why that is confusing to some.

nadalfan



Nekochan wrote:Yes, it does happen or at least it used to happen.  I have known blacks it happened to when they were simply driving through a neighborhood (where they lived) and they were stopped by police for no apparent legal reason.  This was some years ago and happened in a small town which was pretty much racially segregated when it came to housing and neighborhoods.   The cops at the time obviously weren't aware that yes, a black family DID live in that white neighborhood.  Which isn't the point, because they shouldn't have been stopped for no reason in the first place.

I don't know that it's as prevalent today.  I hope not.  I wish if we have blacks on this forum they would share their experiences.

I don't think it's as prevalent today, but it definitely exists.

I agree, I wish someone could relate their experiences to us. You can find stories online, but that's a little different.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Maybe we need a new concept. We can call it "neo-segregationism".

With this concept, we segregate all the racist blacks and all the racist whites into two segregated societies separate from the third integrated society.

Racist blacks can take over the inner cities. And racist whites can take over places like Bonifay and Chumuckla. And the rest of us in the integrated society can live in the suburbs like Cordova Park.


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