Zimmerman did not invoke a "Stand your ground defense" for all you arguing about it

His defense was self defense.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/12459-zimmerman-will-not-rely-on-%E2%80%9Cstand-your-ground%E2%80%9D-defense-attorney-says

Since Zimmerman's defense was that he was pinned down under Trayvon and that's why he had to shoot him, it would make no sense that he would invoke stand your ground.

Nekochan wrote:Since Zimmerman's defense was that he was pinned down under Trayvon and that's why he had to shoot him, it would make no sense that he would invoke stand your ground.

i agree and part of the definition of self defense states,

Force likely to cause death or great bodily harm is justified in self-defense only if a person reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent death or great bodily harm.

it would seem that since martin had zimmerman pinned down and beating his head against the concrete, that self defense/stand your ground would be applicable whether invoke or not.

his life will be nothing but fear now.. I wonder how long it will be before he shoots another person?

Bill O'Reilly just had a segment in which a black attorney and a black clergymen cited the stand your ground law as the problem with this verdict.
And O'Reilly accepted what they were saying because he had no clue either. lol

Bob wrote:Bill O'Reilly just had a segment in which a black attorney and a black clergymen cited the stand your ground law as the problem with this verdict.
And O'Reilly accepted what they were saying because he had no clue either.  lol

What that law did was affect the police in their conduct of the case. None of this national coverage or protest would have happened if the police had actually done their job.

Floridatexan wrote:

Bob wrote:Bill O'Reilly just had a segment in which a black attorney and a black clergymen cited the stand your ground law as the problem with this verdict.
And O'Reilly accepted what they were saying because he had no clue either.  lol

What that law did was affect the police in their conduct of the case.  None of this national coverage or protest would have happened if the police had actually done their job.

Yesterday you blamed Bush.

Really? Show me that. I don't recall blaming Bush, although I do hold him responsible for much of our current strife.

Floridatexan wrote:
Really? Show me that. I don't recall blaming Bush, although I do hold him responsible for much of our current strife.

WAR CRIMINAL..!!

Nekochan wrote:Since Zimmerman's defense was that he was pinned down under Trayvon and that's why he had to shoot him, it would make no sense that he would invoke stand your ground.

Correct. I tried to tell Seaoat this on another thread and his response was "you amaze me. Read the jury instructions". LOL!

Only wimps invoke stand your ground.....cops carrying guns to protect themselves from criminals..wimps. The secret service carrying full auto weapons to protect the government ...wimps. Anyone who carrys a weapon to protect themselves from a criminal is a wimp in fact. just ask seaoat.

Seaoat talks out of his ass alot. He wants to appear superior and more knowledgeable than everybody else. If he messes up, he comes back w/ some unintelligible response trying to cover up. He did not even know this was not a stand your ground case yet he'll call other people clueless and they lack understanding. He has some flawed opinions on things but you'll never convince him of it. His ego won't allow it.

I'm not a fan of Hannity but if you're still up when the repeat of his Fox news show comes on at 11,  you'll want to see his interview of O'Mara and West.

O'Mara is very candid about everything and he's shedding a lot of light on stuff for me for the first time.  

One thing he reminded me of was what I learned from reading the florida statutes which pertain to self-defense when I was in that conversation with seaoat but I had forgotten it.  There was no need to involve Zimmerman's defense with the "stand your ground" law.  With or without the stand your ground law coming into play,  in any self-defense case in Florida the law allows the use of deadly force under certain circumstances.  So the stand your ground law is a non-issue for this case. And even if they had never enacted the stand your ground law, it would have made no difference with this. And if they repeal it that will make no difference in any similiar situation.

Right and they didn't invoke it because mainly they wanted a jury to hear the case rather than take the chance of a judge ruling on it. I just watched the prosecution interview w/ Corey and DeLa Rionda and they're trying to justify the second degree murder charge. Corey called Zimmerman a murderer. She tried to defend why they didn't include the pictures of Zimmerman beat up and it sounded lame. They have a responsibility to try and find the truth and clearly to me that's not what they tried to do.

Floridatexan wrote:

Bob wrote:Bill O'Reilly just had a segment in which a black attorney and a black clergymen cited the stand your ground law as the problem with this verdict.
And O'Reilly accepted what they were saying because he had no clue either.  lol

What that law did was affect the police in their conduct of the case.  None of this national coverage or protest would have happened if the police had actually done their job.

Obviously the police did their job and did not press charges for which he got fired.

The public erroneously clamored that George Zimmerman be arrested and tried. PC won out, he was arrested with no case, prosecutors were expected to make a case out of thin air.

The jury carefully considered the evidence, over a period of 16 hours and declared Zimmerman NOT GUILTY.

The results prove that the race baiters do not care about the results of a Fair Trial, which no one denies, only that a "white Hispanic" whatever that is, was punished for...something. I guess if Mr. Zimmerman is a white Hispanic that would make President Barack Hussein Obama a white black.

Floridatexan wrote:
Really?  Show me that.  I don't recall blaming Bush, although I do hold him responsible for much of our current strife.

Was it President George Walker Bush who made these divisive statements?

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Obama 10/19/1998
I actually believe in redistribution
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Obama - Spread the Wealth Around Joe the plumber (2008)
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Barack Obama told a crowd of supporters in Elko, Nevada in September 2008."I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,"
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Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
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Manufacturing Czar Ron Bloom (Took command of General Motors and Chrysler)"We know that the Free Market is nonsense."[…]
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White House adviser To Senators: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”If you get hit, we will punch back twice as hard,” Messina said, according to an official who attended the meeting.
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February 24, 2009
President Barack Hussein Obama’s close friend Bill Ayers who refused to deny having ghost written at least one of Obama’s books: Bill Ayers with Alan Colmes “I don’t regret the bombing"
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Obama Says "I Do Think At A Certain Point You've Made Enough Money"
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Bob wrote:I'm not a fan of Hannity but if you're still up when the repeat of his Fox news show comes on at 11,  you'll want to see his interview of O'Mara and West.

O'Mara is very candid about everything and he's shedding a lot of light on stuff for me for the first time.  

One thing he reminded me of was what I learned from reading the florida statutes which pertain to self-defense when I was in that conversation with seaoat but I had forgotten it.  There was no need to involve Zimmerman's defense with the "stand your ground" law.  With or without the stand your ground law coming into play,  in any self-defense case in Florida the law allows the use of deadly force under certain circumstances.  So the stand your ground law is a non-issue for this case.  And even if they had never enacted the stand your ground law,  it would have made no difference with this.  And if they repeal it that will make no difference in any similiar situation.

Subsequent to the shooting, two ad hock committees were appointed to review the stand your ground law. One appointed by Gov. Rick Scott and another a citizens committee.

They made no recommendations to make any changes to the law as written.

Dreams......the stand your ground instruction was included......but if you do not believe me....watch the video......you make this so much fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3fcGGB_XQo

If
George Zimmerman
was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any
place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right t
o stand his
ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was
necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent

Now Dreams posted:
[b]Seaoat talks out of his ass alot. He wants to appear superior and more knowledgeable than everybody else. If he messes up, he comes back w/ some unintelligible response trying to cover up. He did not even know this was not a stand your ground case yet he'll call other people clueless and they lack understanding. He has some flawed opinions on things but you'll never convince him of it. His ego won't allow it.

Dumb ditti ditti dumb....If he messes up he comes back with some unintelligible response......stand your ground instructions have been part of the jury instructions for self defense since 2005. Yes you are clueless, yes I honestly thought you were a high school graduate, and now I realize you are a fool.....you actually started another thread to prove you are that fool.



Do you even understand how critical the stand your ground instruction was in this case......or do you want to change the subject or call me names

Here is O'mara (defense attorney) on self defense and stand your ground. O'mara said that the right to defend yourself goes back 500-600 years in the law. But O'mara said stand your ground "has nothing to do with this case in hand".

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/15/omara-on-public-reaction-to-zimmerman-verdict-stand-your-ground-self-defense-racial-profiling/


But apparently one of the jurors spoke last night and said that the jury did talk about the stand your ground law.

It seems that the prosecution also did not consider this to be a stand your ground case.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/15/zimmermans-prosecutors-did-not-think-the

No one seems to think what would have been the outcome had Zimmerman NOT used the gun. Trayvon would most likely been on trial for murder considering that appears to be his intent as he slammed Georges head into the concrete. This case sucks . Both parties made huge mistakes but not walking on home was the big one.... by Martin.

2seaoat wrote:Dreams......the stand your ground instruction was included......but if you do not believe me....watch the video......you make this so much fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3fcGGB_XQo

If
George Zimmerman
was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any
place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right t
o stand his
ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was
necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent

Now Dreams posted:
Seaoat talks out of his ass alot. He wants to appear superior and more knowledgeable than everybody else. If he messes up, he comes back w/ some unintelligible response trying to cover up. He did not even know this was not a stand your ground case yet he'll call other people clueless and they lack understanding. He has some flawed opinions on things but you'll never convince him of it. His ego won't allow it.

Dumb ditti ditti dumb....If he messes up he comes back with some unintelligible response......stand your ground instructions have been part of the jury instructions for self defense since 2005.   Yes you are clueless, yes I honestly thought you were a high school graduate, and now I realize you are a fool.....you actually started another thread to prove you are that fool.



Do you even understand how critical the stand your ground instruction was in this case......or do you want to change the subject or call me names

I guess the defense lawyer for the defendant doesn't know what defense he is using for his own client? Really seaoat? What a dilbert! LOL!

Markle wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

Bob wrote:Bill O'Reilly just had a segment in which a black attorney and a black clergymen cited the stand your ground law as the problem with this verdict.
And O'Reilly accepted what they were saying because he had no clue either.  lol

What that law did was affect the police in their conduct of the case.  None of this national coverage or protest would have happened if the police had actually done their job.

Obviously the police did their job and did not press charges for which he got fired.

The public erroneously clamored that George Zimmerman be arrested and tried.  PC won out, he was arrested with no case, prosecutors were expected to make a case out of thin air.

The jury carefully considered the evidence, over a period of 16 hours and declared Zimmerman NOT GUILTY.

The results prove that the race baiters do not care about the results of a Fair Trial, which no one denies, only that a "white Hispanic" whatever that is, was punished for...something.  I guess if Mr. Zimmerman is a white Hispanic that would make President Barack Hussein Obama a white black.

     When the State of Florida had to go 'shopping' to find a prosecutor that would ignore the facts/evidence and persue criminal charges that alone should explain that this was never about 'justice'....When a Chief of Police is fired because he refuses to go forward to arrest when there is no probable cause...there's a problem...When the legal system is manipulated and used for political agendas over justice there's a problem...When an out of control media intentionally lies...edits reports to make false accusations...that's not only a problem but criminal...But as pointed out it was proven by those that accuse others of being politically incorrect/racists that they can call someone a 'white-hispanic' in order to race bait...

2seaoat wrote:Dreams......the stand your ground instruction was included......but if you do not believe me....watch the video......you make this so much fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3fcGGB_XQo

If
George Zimmerman
was not engaged in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any
place where he had a right to be, he had no duty to retreat and had the right t
o stand his
ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he reasonably believed that it was
necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent

Now Dreams posted:
Seaoat talks out of his ass alot. He wants to appear superior and more knowledgeable than everybody else. If he messes up, he comes back w/ some unintelligible response trying to cover up. He did not even know this was not a stand your ground case yet he'll call other people clueless and they lack understanding. He has some flawed opinions on things but you'll never convince him of it. His ego won't allow it.

Dumb ditti ditti dumb....If he messes up he comes back with some unintelligible response......stand your ground instructions have been part of the jury instructions for self defense since 2005.   Yes you are clueless, yes I honestly thought you were a high school graduate, and now I realize you are a fool.....you actually started another thread to prove you are that fool.



Do you even understand how critical the stand your ground instruction was in this case......or do you want to change the subject or call me names

Seaoat, I do not listen to your crazy lectures. You are not a lawyer nor are you qualified to tell anyone about the law or it's interpretation.

Seaoat, I do not listen to your crazy lectures. You are not a lawyer nor are you qualified to tell anyone about the law or it's interpretation.

I am confused.  Since we do not want to talk about the law, and your lack of comprehension of the same.  Since you assign a great deal of weight to talking head lawyers on TV.  Did I miss something.   Did these stellar folks with all the training have opinions which contradicted the other talking head lawyer's opinion.   What do you think the common denominator of those discussion were?  Opinions.   I will leave you to the fallow ground of fools who cannot comprehend the law and need somebody's opinion of the same.  I prefer in my Dilbert state to simple listen and read the Court's instruction of the stand your ground law to the jury.  It has no element of opinion.   It does not take anything more than an 8th grade reading comprehension, but I completely understand......you need translation to read the law.  I do not......that is the prerequisite to being a Dilbert.......and guess what....even a Dilbert's opinion does not mean a hill of beans.....because the law speaks for itself.