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doubtingthomas wrote:

. wrote:The gentleman who sells ins here is pretty dense.


This is political and just another sign obamacare is a disaster.

The exchanges were delayed, the medicaid bribe was a failure and politcal fallout is abudant.

april had aetna pull out of cali, recently we saw united health pull out of cali, the list goes on and on and on .

for those of you who are drolling about a single payer.I sugest you go pick up your dog toto and start heading to speak with the wizard of oz.

No the pathologist here is pretty dense and thank god you don't work in a lab anymore in Pensacola.

UHC (golden rule) had a total of 8000 policies in California and would not put up the reserves to cover these policies, about the same with Aetna.
Aetna pulled out of Ohio last week and Cal this week. I suggest you read insurance journals, if the insurance companies thought this was strickly political they would all be crying foul today and they're not. Most large employer's welcome this delay, again you should study and read up. I suggest you stick to drawing blood (lol).

Sal wrote:This is a non-story.

There is nothing wrong with letting the employer requirement slip by a year - the extra dollars for the Treasury are insignificant.

The story will now solely be on how families are finally getting coverage.

The critical thing is that employees get health insurance, which they certainly will.

And what they (and you) will discover is that their health care options and coverage will be greater in the exchanges than through any employer-based coverage that their employer may have gotten for them.

doubtingthomas wrote:Pit the final ruling on that delay will be in a week or so. As far as we see the reporting process has been delayed, we'll have to wait to see if the penalities have been delayed.

Isn't it strange or flip flopping that a tea bagger didn't want this law at all and screaming to throw it out, then they delay and it could lead to possibly being thrown out in 2015 and they are screaming because they're delaying it? Can anyone say Sybil syndrome?  Strange.

Markle wrote:

doubtingthomas wrote:Pit the final ruling on that delay will be in a week or so. As far as we see the reporting process has been delayed, we'll have to wait to see if the penalities have been delayed.

Isn't it strange or flip flopping that a tea bagger didn't want this law at all and screaming to throw it out, then they delay and it could lead to possibly being thrown out in 2015 and they are screaming because they're delaying it? Can anyone say Sybil syndrome?  Strange.

Is this the best place for you to find a partner?

People are "screaming" because they're screaming "I TOLD YOU SO"!

ObamaCare is unaffordable, unworkable and already a massive failure.

. wrote:Yep. its a non story if you just want to give a pass as we watch almost every single part of this monster fall apart and come to the daylight of what it really is, a piece of really large shit.

Just abuot every single portion has either been delayed except the individual mandate.

They delayed this for two reasons, 1st being mid term elections and the fall out. 2nd being they had already delayed the exchange signup for businesses. And bussinesses are rebeling by cutting FTE's and hours. Which btw is legal, so again do not listen to the original poster thomas. as i recall he or she made a severely wrong post not long ago about how that was illegal. I just laughed LOL................ so 2nd reason, the donors are getting pissed and the poor people with no jobs are also getting pissed.

Every thing this admin does is for votes and popularity. Its the party way.

Oh and let me reiterate about that single payer plan dream of some of ya'lls. Not going to happen. By the time this admin is done with the country we will be lucky to be able to afford what we had before him.

2seaoat wrote:Everybody working to improve the health care system is a good thing.......and common sense will eventually get us to a single payer system.

newswatcher wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Everybody working to improve the health care system is a good thing.......and common sense will eventually get us to a single payer system.

      Too bad the 'everybody' working together wasn't done from the beginning...

Dreamsglore wrote:

newswatcher wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Everybody working to improve the health care system is a good thing.......and common sense will eventually get us to a single payer system.

      Too bad the 'everybody' working together wasn't done from the beginning...

You got that,right finally! Too bad the repugs had to fight it tooth an nail.

newswatcher wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

newswatcher wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Everybody working to improve the health care system is a good thing.......and common sense will eventually get us to a single payer system.

      Too bad the 'everybody' working together wasn't done from the beginning...

You got that,right finally! Too bad the repugs had to fight it tooth an nail.

 'nightmare'.....REEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAALLLL  SLOOOOOOOOOW.....Republicans didn't have to fight this horrible legislation because they were initially excluded from the process....The fight/opposition has been proven to be correct based on the cowh [name] healthcare has not been as advertised and promised...Told it wouldn't raise prices/premiums and that hasn't been the case...Told you could keep your physician and that's not been the case....When by democrats own admission----let's just pass it and then we'll see what's inside...that's why this has been a nightmare....The co-author (Backus D-Mon) says it's out of control and a trainwreck...If the cowh is still attempting to SELL a plan that's already the law of the land....there's a HUGE problem...But continue to think that it's only republicans that oppose this plan...that's the 'nightmare' way...

PBulldog2 wrote:

Markle wrote:

doubtingthomas wrote:Pit the final ruling on that delay will be in a week or so. As far as we see the reporting process has been delayed, we'll have to wait to see if the penalities have been delayed.

Isn't it strange or flip flopping that a tea bagger didn't want this law at all and screaming to throw it out, then they delay and it could lead to possibly being thrown out in 2015 and they are screaming because they're delaying it? Can anyone say Sybil syndrome?  Strange.

Is this the best place for you to find a partner?

People are "screaming" because they're screaming "I TOLD YOU SO"!

ObamaCare is unaffordable, unworkable and already a massive failure.

What the hell are you talking about, Markle? I take this as an insult to both doubtingthomas and me, as well as my husband. I haven't attacked you or your family personally; don't attack mine. Jerk.

Yes, Obamacare may in fact be a "massive failure" in part, particularly the early implementation, but the best parts of the law will usher in single payer if Obamacare doesn't work. I have come to realize this may be the administration's ultimate goal. President Obama didn't campaign as pro single payer for no reason, it seems.

I don't think there are too many in this country who will want to dump the good parts of this law, such as making insurance available to those with pre-existing conditions as well as finally untying the knot between employers and employees with regard to the availability of health insurance (I think this law will convince most employers to drop health insurance as a benefit, though I may be wrong.)

Our current system SUCKS, Markle. I have become convinced over the past couple of years that one major reason you fail to recognize this is because you are taking advantage of that "socialist" program called Medicare. Yeah, yeah, I know.....you paid into it, so you are willing to reap your just rewards. But how about if all of us paid a tax for health care, and could therefore access Medicare at any age? Yes, the tax would be substantial, but separate Medicare taxes would be wiped out. Even the medical portion of worker's compensation might be wiped out, and that would be a boon for businesses if premiums went down, eh?

And no, I am no happier that it will be the government that heads single payer than you are. Unfortunately, due to the utter failure of our current  health care system to provide decent care to citizens in this country, we will be left with no other choice. Yes, I do think private insurers will be able to offer additional coverage similar to Medigap policies to those who want and can afford it, but at least all of the citizens of our country will have access to comprehensive, consistent health care.

Markle wrote:

doubtingthomas wrote:Pit the final ruling on that delay will be in a week or so. As far as we see the reporting process has been delayed, we'll have to wait to see if the penalities have been delayed.

Isn't it strange or flip flopping that a tea bagger didn't want this law at all and screaming to throw it out, then they delay and it could lead to possibly being thrown out in 2015 and they are screaming because they're delaying it? Can anyone say Sybil syndrome?  Strange.

Is this the best place for you to find a partner?

People are "screaming" because they're screaming "I TOLD YOU SO"!

ObamaCare is unaffordable, unworkable and already a massive failure.

Markle wrote:

Please, save your feigned indignation for someone who might swallow your line.
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In case you had avoided noticing, it was PBulldog2 who used the vile, homosexual slur.  Why do you defend that behavior?

We also have the finest, most giving health care system in the world which has saved, improved and extended lives all around the world.  That is BECAUSE of a for profit health care system.

. wrote:

Markle wrote:

doubtingthomas wrote:Pit the final ruling on that delay will be in a week or so. As far as we see the reporting process has been delayed, we'll have to wait to see if the penalities have been delayed.

Isn't it strange or flip flopping that a tea bagger didn't want this law at all and screaming to throw it out, then they delay and it could lead to possibly being thrown out in 2015 and they are screaming because they're delaying it? Can anyone say Sybil syndrome?  Strange.

Is this the best place for you to find a partner?

People are "screaming" because they're screaming "I TOLD YOU SO"!


ObamaCare is unaffordable, unworkable and already a massive failure.

funny how people don't get that.

and again to the dense doubting Thomas. the individual mandate has NOT been delayed. So its NOT delayed, get it? do you GET IT YET? no? yes? maybe?

they delayed the portion that was going to help businesses sign people up called SHOP.http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolynmcclanahan/2013/04/02/obamacares-small-business-health-insurance-is-delay-another-tactic-to-remove-employers-from-the-market/

now they are delaying the fine for businesses. I mean seriously you guys should be really pissed about this because obama given biz a break. lol

anyway, the individual mandate is not delayed. whats that mean yall......

means everybody better have insurance soon or you get taxed.

so delay after delay.......... except?

doubtingthomas wrote:

. wrote:

Markle wrote:

doubtingthomas wrote:Pit the final ruling on that delay will be in a week or so. As far as we see the reporting process has been delayed, we'll have to wait to see if the penalities have been delayed.

Isn't it strange or flip flopping that a tea bagger didn't want this law at all and screaming to throw it out, then they delay and it could lead to possibly being thrown out in 2015 and they are screaming because they're delaying it? Can anyone say Sybil syndrome?  Strange.

Is this the best place for you to find a partner?

People are "screaming" because they're screaming "I TOLD YOU SO"!


ObamaCare is unaffordable, unworkable and already a massive failure.

funny how people don't get that.

and again to the dense doubting Thomas. the individual mandate has NOT been delayed. So its NOT delayed, get it? do you GET IT YET? no? yes? maybe?

they delayed the portion that was going to help businesses sign people up called SHOP.http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolynmcclanahan/2013/04/02/obamacares-small-business-health-insurance-is-delay-another-tactic-to-remove-employers-from-the-market/

now they are delaying the fine for businesses. I mean seriously you guys should be really pissed about this because obama given biz a break. lol

anyway, the individual mandate is not delayed. whats that mean yall......

means everybody better have insurance soon or you get taxed.

so delay after delay.......... except?

You have to either be Markle in drag or identical twin, I never said the individual mandate was being delayed.

Sal wrote:This is a non-story.

There is nothing wrong with letting the employer requirement slip by a year - the extra dollars for the Treasury are insignificant.

The story will now solely be on how families are finally getting coverage.

The critical thing is that employees get health insurance, which they certainly will.

And what they (and you) will discover is that their health care options and coverage will be greater in the exchanges than through any employer-based coverage that their employer may have gotten for them.

PBulldog2 wrote:

Markle wrote:

doubtingthomas wrote:Pit the final ruling on that delay will be in a week or so. As far as we see the reporting process has been delayed, we'll have to wait to see if the penalities have been delayed.

Isn't it strange or flip flopping that a tea bagger didn't want this law at all and screaming to throw it out, then they delay and it could lead to possibly being thrown out in 2015 and they are screaming because they're delaying it? Can anyone say Sybil syndrome?  Strange.

Is this the best place for you to find a partner?

People are "screaming" because they're screaming "I TOLD YOU SO"!

ObamaCare is unaffordable, unworkable and already a massive failure.

What the hell are you talking about, Markle? I take this as an insult to both doubtingthomas and me, as well as my husband. I haven't attacked you or your family personally; don't attack mine. Jerk.

Markle wrote:

PBulldog2 wrote:

Markle wrote:

doubtingthomas wrote:Pit the final ruling on that delay will be in a week or so. As far as we see the reporting process has been delayed, we'll have to wait to see if the penalities have been delayed.

Isn't it strange or flip flopping that a tea bagger didn't want this law at all and screaming to throw it out, then they delay and it could lead to possibly being thrown out in 2015 and they are screaming because they're delaying it? Can anyone say Sybil syndrome?  Strange.

Is this the best place for you to find a partner?

People are "screaming" because they're screaming "I TOLD YOU SO"!

ObamaCare is unaffordable, unworkable and already a massive failure.

What the hell are you talking about, Markle? I take this as an insult to both doubtingthomas and me, as well as my husband. I haven't attacked you or your family personally; don't attack mine. Jerk.

Is this not the post of doubtingthomas?

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Pit the final ruling on that delay will be in a week or so. As far as we see the reporting process has been delayed, we'll have to wait to see if the penalities have been delayed.

Isn't it strange or flip flopping that a tea bagger didn't want this law at all and screaming to throw it out, then they delay and it could lead to possibly being thrown out in 2015 and they are screaming because they're delaying it? Can anyone say Sybil syndrome? Strange.

PBulldog2 wrote:

Markle wrote:

Please, save your feigned indignation for someone who might swallow your line.


In case you had avoided noticing, it was PBulldog2 who used the vile, homosexual slur.  Why do you defend that behavior?

We also have the finest, most giving health care system in the world which has saved, improved and extended lives all around the world.  That is BECAUSE of a for profit health care system.

]I can assure you, after working toward single payer for nearly 17 years, that my indignation is not feigned, but you knew that. What you cannot defend is your willingness to utilize Medicare, that terrible socialist entitlement program. Now if, as a matter of principle, you dumped the Medicare and went self-pay or bought an individual insurance policy, you might have some credibility here.

I am well aware you are trying to get a rise out of me with the "vile, homosexual slur" comment. As you have said so many times, is that the best you have?  I think everyone on this forum pretty well knows where I stand on the issue of LGBT. Good try, but I'm sure you can do better.

Oh....and have you seen the latest stats with reference to the survival rate of uninsured neonates in the United States? I'll let you google it, but I'm willing to bet you won't want to copy and paste it.

Why have you advocated for a proven inferior health care system for 17 years?

Here, allow me to offer some information for you.

so·cial·ism
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noun  
1.  a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

2.  procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.

3.  (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.