Zimmerman was a hero to Blacks before the shooting.

Joanimaroni wrote:

knothead wrote:That is the law. Zimmerman did not start a fight. Martin did

Dreams, I know but only Zimmerman knows the truth and you and I must extrapolate from the remnants of evidence . . . . . I don't disagree that Martin probably went on the attack . . . .why? Because he was fearful for his own safety by being followed in the dark by a stranger? It cuts both ways . . .

If fearful, why didn't Martin run to his father's house....it was close by.

Joanimaroni wrote:

knothead wrote:That is the law. Zimmerman did not start a fight. Martin did

Dreams, I know but only Zimmerman knows the truth and you and I must extrapolate from the remnants of evidence . . . . . I don't disagree that Martin probably went on the attack . . . .why? Because he was fearful for his own safety by being followed in the dark by a stranger? It cuts both ways . . .

If fearful, why didn't Martin run to his father's house....it was close by.

boards of FL wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

knothead wrote:That is the law. Zimmerman did not start a fight. Martin did

Dreams, I know but only Zimmerman knows the truth and you and I must extrapolate from the remnants of evidence . . . . . I don't disagree that Martin probably went on the attack . . . .why? Because he was fearful for his own safety by being followed in the dark by a stranger? It cuts both ways . . .

If fearful, why didn't Martin run to his father's house....it was close by.

Perhaps he had had enough and decided to stand his ground?  Totally unlike TEO, who we all know would run home, lock the door, and cower under the bed.

knothead wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

knothead wrote:That is the law. Zimmerman did not start a fight. Martin did

Dreams, I know but only Zimmerman knows the truth and you and I must extrapolate from the remnants of evidence . . . . . I don't disagree that Martin probably went on the attack . . . .why? Because he was fearful for his own safety by being followed in the dark by a stranger? It cuts both ways . . .

If fearful, why didn't Martin run to his father's house....it was close by.

. . . . . uh, I don't know the answer and neither do you . . . . . why didn't Zimmerman comply with the dispatcher and NOT continue to follow Martin.  The kid would be alive today if only . . .  

Joanimaroni wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

knothead wrote:That is the law. Zimmerman did not start a fight. Martin did

Dreams, I know but only Zimmerman knows the truth and you and I must extrapolate from the remnants of evidence . . . . . I don't disagree that Martin probably went on the attack . . . .why? Because he was fearful for his own safety by being followed in the dark by a stranger? It cuts both ways . . .

If fearful, why didn't Martin run to his father's house....it was close by.

Perhaps he had had enough and decided to stand his ground?  Totally unlike TEO, who we all know would run home, lock the door, and cower under the bed.

You mean he was fed-up? This was a relative short period of time. Are you suggesting Trayvon was a hot-head?

Joanimaroni wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

knothead wrote:That is the law. Zimmerman did not start a fight. Martin did

Dreams, I know but only Zimmerman knows the truth and you and I must extrapolate from the remnants of evidence . . . . . I don't disagree that Martin probably went on the attack . . . .why? Because he was fearful for his own safety by being followed in the dark by a stranger? It cuts both ways . . .

If fearful, why didn't Martin run to his father's house....it was close by.

Perhaps he had had enough and decided to stand his ground?  Totally unlike TEO, who we all know would run home, lock the door, and cower under the bed.

You mean he was fed-up? This was a relative short period of time. Are you suggesting Trayvon was a hot-head?

boards of FL wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

knothead wrote:That is the law. Zimmerman did not start a fight. Martin did

Dreams, I know but only Zimmerman knows the truth and you and I must extrapolate from the remnants of evidence . . . . . I don't disagree that Martin probably went on the attack . . . .why? Because he was fearful for his own safety by being followed in the dark by a stranger? It cuts both ways . . .

If fearful, why didn't Martin run to his father's house....it was close by.

Perhaps he had had enough and decided to stand his ground?  Totally unlike TEO, who we all know would run home, lock the door, and cower under the bed.

You mean he was fed-up? This was a relative short period of time. Are you suggesting Trayvon was a hot-head?

Not at all!  Perhaps he felt the need to defend himself?  After all, Zimmerman was armed and did in fact kill him.  

2seaoat wrote:You are adding to the story....Zimmerman was not walking around with his gun drawn.

Well, the one witness who could testify to that very fact is dead.......and the remaining witness is a proven liar.   The blood evidence clinches the deal......

However, your conclusion that Zimmerman never drew his gun........where did you get that evidence?............the liar........ok......I am glad you feel confident........the defense does not look as confident as they did a couple days ago........but I am glad the folks who have prejudged this case are confident in what Mr. Zimmerman is a truthful individual........he is a proven liar.

knothead wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:

knothead wrote:Based on the evidence presented thus far I believe Zimmerman may be convicted of man slaughter but not 2nd degree murder.  Mr. Zimmerman pursued and eventually provoked a deadly confrontation with the young man.  Martin, I believe, did attack Mr. Zimmerman out of his own fear of what this menacing figure was doing following him around in the dark.  Zimmerman's appearance on the night of the incident was far different than what we are seeing in the court room.  He had a shaved head with a goatee giving an appearance of a street wise cracker yet now after legal counsel coaching he has shaved the goatee and has grown his hair out.  So now we have a well groomed rotund Hispanic guy who does not give off the message Martin saw on the night he died which was one of a menacing figure following him and he was not able to lose him.  Mr.Zimmerman, in my opinion, should have first warned Martin he was armed before pulling the trigger.  If we are to believe Zimmerman's account he could have easily verbally warned the guy giving him a butt whipping that he was armed and would shoot if he (martin) did not stop the assault.  This was so avoidable and unnecessary but, in my mind, Zimmerman was 100% responsible for this young man's death but other evidence may still be brought in during the defense's case that could change my view.  

Following someone around isn't against the law.

Starting a fight and slamming someone's head against the sidewalk is against the law.

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZk9tycQ9q0

 

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Based on my own rather long life and given your logic, I could have killed numerous individuals or conversely been killed by simply engaging someone physically.  I agree with the literal meaning of your statement but that must taken within the factual context.  We cannot allow people to start settling fights with a deadly weapon . . . . . difficult concept for some.

Dreamsglore wrote:

knothead wrote:

Damaged Eagle wrote:

knothead wrote:Based on the evidence presented thus far I believe Zimmerman may be convicted of man slaughter but not 2nd degree murder.  Mr. Zimmerman pursued and eventually provoked a deadly confrontation with the young man.  Martin, I believe, did attack Mr. Zimmerman out of his own fear of what this menacing figure was doing following him around in the dark.  Zimmerman's appearance on the night of the incident was far different than what we are seeing in the court room.  He had a shaved head with a goatee giving an appearance of a street wise cracker yet now after legal counsel coaching he has shaved the goatee and has grown his hair out.  So now we have a well groomed rotund Hispanic guy who does not give off the message Martin saw on the night he died which was one of a menacing figure following him and he was not able to lose him.  Mr.Zimmerman, in my opinion, should have first warned Martin he was armed before pulling the trigger.  If we are to believe Zimmerman's account he could have easily verbally warned the guy giving him a butt whipping that he was armed and would shoot if he (martin) did not stop the assault.  This was so avoidable and unnecessary but, in my mind, Zimmerman was 100% responsible for this young man's death but other evidence may still be brought in during the defense's case that could change my view.  

Following someone around isn't against the law.

Starting a fight and slamming someone's head against the sidewalk is against the law.

*****SMILE*****

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZk9tycQ9q0

 

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Based on my own rather long life and given your logic, I could have killed numerous individuals or conversely been killed by simply engaging someone physically.  I agree with the literal meaning of your statement but that must taken within the factual context.  We cannot allow people to start settling fights with a deadly weapon . . . . . difficult concept for some.

That is the law. Zimmerman did not start a fight. Martin did.