Mankind: Death by Corporation

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I don't trust the Sierra Club or any other activist environmental group. They usually have agendas that are far out of the mainstream.

The U.S. is on track to reduce its coal-consumption without activism or legislative mandates. Before 2020, solar becomes cheaper than fossil fuels, and this will only further fuel the trend toward more use of renewable energy, which is a good thing. In the meantime, cheap natural gas from shale-gas extraction is further pushing down coal's share of the energy market in the U.S.

Now, the U.S. coal industry will continue to thrive, as coal is becoming a hot export commodity for the U.S. China and India are buying U.S. coal at premium prices and in record quantities. This means the pollution will simply be exported to those countries.

Floridatexan wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I don't trust the Sierra Club or any other activist environmental group. They usually have agendas that are far out of the mainstream.

The U.S. is on track to reduce its coal-consumption without activism or legislative mandates. Before 2020, solar becomes cheaper than fossil fuels, and this will only further fuel the trend toward more use of renewable energy, which is a good thing. In the meantime, cheap natural gas from shale-gas extraction is further pushing down coal's share of the energy market in the U.S.

Now, the U.S. coal industry will continue to thrive, as coal is becoming a hot export commodity for the U.S. China and India are buying U.S. coal at premium prices and in record quantities. This means the pollution will simply be exported to those countries.

Z, you're talking about fracking, which appears to be polluting water supplies in NY, PA, NJ and elsewhere.  BTW, my son-in-law's parents, who lived in Williston, ND recently moved to Bismarck.  Boomtown was turning into crimetown.

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I don't trust the Sierra Club or any other activist environmental group. They usually have agendas that are far out of the mainstream.

The U.S. is on track to reduce its coal-consumption without activism or legislative mandates. Before 2020, solar becomes cheaper than fossil fuels, and this will only further fuel the trend toward more use of renewable energy, which is a good thing. In the meantime, cheap natural gas from shale-gas extraction is further pushing down coal's share of the energy market in the U.S.

Now, the U.S. coal industry will continue to thrive, as coal is becoming a hot export commodity for the U.S. China and India are buying U.S. coal at premium prices and in record quantities. This means the pollution will simply be exported to those countries.

Z, you're talking about fracking, which appears to be polluting water supplies in NY, PA, NJ and elsewhere.  BTW, my son-in-law's parents, who lived in Williston, ND recently moved to Bismarck.  Boomtown was turning into crimetown.

Fracking has nothing to do with crime in Williston, so please cease with the red-herrings......

Fracking is here to stay. The connection to pollution of groundwater supplies is sketchy. You may as well as ban all oil drilling if that is a concern, as all oil wells drill through water-bearing units on their way down to the oil-zones. The shale zones where the actual fracking occurs are thousands of feet below the groundwater aquifers. The fearmongering about fracking (i.e., groundwater pollution, earthquakes, etc.) has its roots in one thing: climate-change activism. Those activists want to stop any and all new fossil-fuel production, so they put up foils about it being "dirty," causes earthquakes, pollutes groundwater, etc.

However, the activists are going to be shunted to the sidelines, as I have always said. They will make their noise comfortably out of the way. Even the President's speech on Tuesday was careful not to ruffle the feathers of the oil companies too much. The shale revolution is here, and its focal point is in the U.S. and Canada. The shale revolution is going to change geopolitics and make the U.S. and Canada major players on the world's stage for the next several decades. Other countries are jealously watching the developments here--we have something most other countries lack, and that is private-ownership of mineral rights, which helps spur petroelum development here.

The anti-fracking activists have miserably failed in California--where the legislature recently failed to pass a fracking ban in the state. The Monterey Shale formation has at least 15.4 billion barrels of recoverable crude in it; much more than what is in North Dakota's Bakken Formation (mineral leasing is going at a furious pace in Kern County, where my extended family has some mineral rights). The state wants the economic development and tax revenue that would come with development of the Monterey.

By 2030, the U.S. will be producing 10 million barrels of oil per day--most of it from wells that were fracked. No force in the world is powerful enough to stop this--you may as well resign yourself to the fact now.

Floridatexan wrote:
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/17178-mankind-death-by-corporation

Dr. Brian Moench is president of  Utah Physicians for a Healthy Environment and a member of the Union of Concerned Scientists.

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http://sierraclub.typepad.com/scrapbook/2010/01/physician-activist-helps-turn-tide-against-coal-in-utah.html

Floridatexan wrote:

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:I don't trust the Sierra Club or any other activist environmental group. They usually have agendas that are far out of the mainstream.

The U.S. is on track to reduce its coal-consumption without activism or legislative mandates. Before 2020, solar becomes cheaper than fossil fuels, and this will only further fuel the trend toward more use of renewable energy, which is a good thing. In the meantime, cheap natural gas from shale-gas extraction is further pushing down coal's share of the energy market in the U.S.

Now, the U.S. coal industry will continue to thrive, as coal is becoming a hot export commodity for the U.S. China and India are buying U.S. coal at premium prices and in record quantities. This means the pollution will simply be exported to those countries.

Z, you're talking about fracking, which appears to be polluting water supplies in NY, PA, NJ and elsewhere.  BTW, my son-in-law's parents, who lived in Williston, ND recently moved to Bismarck.  Boomtown was turning into crimetown.

PkrBum wrote:Truthout/501c/George Soros = leftist propaganda

Markle wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/17178-mankind-death-by-corporation

Dr. Brian Moench is president of  Utah Physicians for a Healthy Environment and a member of the Union of Concerned Scientists.

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http://sierraclub.typepad.com/scrapbook/2010/01/physician-activist-helps-turn-tide-against-coal-in-utah.html

Please find a decent source then come back.

Floridatexan wrote:

Markle wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/17178-mankind-death-by-corporation

Dr. Brian Moench is president of  Utah Physicians for a Healthy Environment and a member of the Union of Concerned Scientists.

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http://sierraclub.typepad.com/scrapbook/2010/01/physician-activist-helps-turn-tide-against-coal-in-utah.html

Please find a decent source then come back.

The Sierra Club is one of the oldest, largest, and most influential grassroots environmental organizations in the United States. Wikipedia
Founded: May 28, 1892
Founders: John Muir, David R. Brower, Theodore Roosevelt

Get a life, or at least "edumacate" yourself.  

PkrBum wrote:Truthout/501c/George Soros = leftist propaganda

Wordslinger wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Truthout/501c/George Soros = leftist propaganda

Wrong again.  The issue is the facts, not the identity or agenda of the presenter.  Or is that a concept to complex for you to handle?

Even Hitler and Dubya Bush told SOME truths.  Hitler said it was important to make the trains run on time.  Bush said "You can fool some of the people ... some of the time, er. . . you can't fool ... er ...."

Markle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Truthout/501c/George Soros = leftist propaganda

Wrong again.  The issue is the facts, not the identity or agenda of the presenter.  Or is that a concept to complex for you to handle?

Even Hitler and Dubya Bush told SOME truths.  Hitler said it was important to make the trains run on time.  Bush said "You can fool some of the people ... some of the time, er. . . you can't fool ... er ...."

Given some of your hero's and folks you worship were mass murderers I can certainly understand that you'd love for that to be true.

Floridatexan wrote:

Markle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Truthout/501c/George Soros = leftist propaganda

Wrong again.  The issue is the facts, not the identity or agenda of the presenter.  Or is that a concept to complex for you to handle?

Even Hitler and Dubya Bush told SOME truths.  Hitler said it was important to make the trains run on time.  Bush said "You can fool some of the people ... some of the time, er. . . you can't fool ... er ...."

Given some of your hero's and folks you worship were mass murderers I can certainly understand that you'd love for that to be true.

Wow, where did you get that little tidbit?  Never mind...we know.

Floridatexan wrote:

Markle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Truthout/501c/George Soros = leftist propaganda

Wrong again.  The issue is the facts, not the identity or agenda of the presenter.  Or is that a concept to complex for you to handle?

Even Hitler and Dubya Bush told SOME truths.  Hitler said it was important to make the trains run on time.  Bush said "You can fool some of the people ... some of the time, er. . . you can't fool ... er ...."

Given some of your hero's and folks you worship were mass murderers I can certainly understand that you'd love for that to be true.

Wow, where did you get that little tidbit?  Never mind...we know.