The NBA is feeling the heat of internet buzz.....instant replay expanded

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/competition-committee-recommends-instant-review-of-block-charge-calls-in-late-game-situations-061213

It is refreshing when America sees something which is not right.....they stand up and tell it like it is.........preferential calls in the playoffs may finally be less obvious.   The buzz on the internet has been about the obvious bad offensive fouls called against the Pacers when they had taken control a couple times in the series.   So the NBA acts as if this was simply bad calls and that replay will address the same.......as if the American public does not know what is going on........their brand is in trouble and now they are grasping at straws.

Pro tennis allows three challenges and if you're right it doesn't count against you. I don't necessarily like the idea of more stoppages in play especially given how many there are at the end of basketball games... but maybe give a team two challenges a game and they don't count if the call is over ruled. I donno...

PkrBum wrote:Pro tennis allows three challenges and if you're right it doesn't count against you. I don't necessarily like the idea of more stoppages in play especially given how many there are at the end of basketball games... but maybe give a team two challenges a game and they don't count if the call is over ruled. I donno...

     The NBA has had this kind of problem forever...for three plus quarters they allow players to bang around...double dribble...take extra steps etc.,...then in the final minutes the rules are called...The officials always seem to be in the middle of controversies and the NBA has long been suspected of being fixed...

Stoppage of play to review to review suspected bad calls is a momentum crasher. I say leave it up to the players to play the game and let the refs make the calls on obvious plays, but leave the subjective crap out of it.

Personally I do not think the refs union will go for it. That is nothing more than undermining their authority and nobody likes to be proven wrong.

Leave it alone and let the players play.

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:Stoppage of play to review to review suspected bad calls is a momentum crasher. I say leave it up to the players to play the game and let the refs make the calls on obvious plays, but leave the subjective crap out of it.

Personally I do not think the refs union will go for it. That is nothing more than undermining their authority and nobody likes to be proven wrong.

Leave it alone and let the players play.

     Remember it was sold in football that correct calls would be made in a timely manner...neither has happened...there are still bad calls and nothing worse then watching the refs with their heads under the cover for several minutes...

I'm all for it....there have been many games won/lost because of bad referring.

Joanimaroni wrote:I'm all for it....there have been many games won/lost because of bad referring.

   And yet even this years in MLB there have been several instances where they've apologized for a wrong call even after review...Attempting to get perfection will lead to failure...

Joanimaroni wrote:I'm all for it....there have been many games won/lost because of bad referring.

Good teams overcome adversity. I would like to see examples of bad calls that swayed the outcome of games. I have seen bad calls change the games momentum, but influence the final score, I don't think so.

I disagree with Mr. Oats gut feeling that the game has become so corrupt that the refs will tilt their calls in favor of the a preferred opponent  (Heat).  As some have posted, there have always been bad calls and I have watched practically all of the playoff games and I just do not see the conspiracy of throwing the game.  Superstars have always enjoyed the benefit of calls whether it is charging, walking, DD, whatever so that is nothing novel, wrong yes but a reality nvertheless.  Mr. Oats seems very happy when LJ has a bad game but then so did MJ as he had his share of off nights.  I'm enjoying the series and yes I'm pulling for the Heat but it was a terrific series against the Pacers and could have easily gone the other way.  Now it is once again a battle of the Titans and I'm looking forward to tonight's game.

knothead wrote:I disagree with Mr. Oats gut feeling that the game has become so corrupt that the refs will tilt their calls in favor of the a preferred opponent  (Heat).  As some have posted, there have always been bad calls and I have watched practically all of the playoff games and I just do not see the conspiracy of throwing the game.  Superstars have always enjoyed the benefit of calls whether it is charging, walking, DD, whatever so that is nothing novel, wrong yes but a reality nvertheless.  Mr. Oats seems very happy when LJ has a bad game but then so did MJ as he had his share of off nights.  I'm enjoying the series and yes I'm pulling for the Heat but it was a terrific series against the Pacers and could have easily gone the other way.  Now it is once again a battle of the Titans and I'm looking forward to tonight's game.

Thank you for this excellent post KH. It is very refreshing to know that someone else on this forum has the same viewpoint.

If the calls have not been influencing the games..............then I am on another planet......the internet buzz is non existent.............and this rule change proposed is made up.   You either have been blinded to the flopping in last years championship series and the phantom calls because of team loyalty, or you simply do not know the game of basketball.   The truth is that there has always been preferential calls.......it was understood by the players and ownership that this would happen to enhance all the participants.    However, over time and with intervening factors, the calls have simply become too much of the outcome of the games.   Yes, a good team can overcome bad ref calls, but there is a threshold where no team can do the same............sadly this year knowledgeable basketball people are openly questioning whether that threshold has been reached, and whether rule changes are necessary to address the loss of faith in the fan base with the historical compact of preferential treatment for stars and certain teams which will enhance the NBA brand.   I am not a conspiracy theorist.  I am not a James hater, because I saw the preferential treatment my Bulls received, and specifically what Michael received, but the Bulls were a superior team playing amongst some all time great teams.......the league did not have to try so hard........todays league and viewership is a whole different animal, and their attempts at raising viewership in my opinion have badly back fired, and have brought the entire integrity of the league in question.

2seaoat wrote:If the calls have not been influencing the games..............then I am on another planet......the internet buzz is non existent.............and this rule change proposed is made up.   You either have been blinded to the flopping in last years championship series and the phantom calls because of team loyalty, or you simply do not know the game of basketball.   The truth is that there has always been preferential calls.......it was understood by the players and ownership that this would happen to enhance all the participants.    However, over time and with intervening factors, the calls have simply become too much of the outcome of the games.   Yes, a good team can overcome bad ref calls, but there is a threshold where no team can do the same............sadly this year knowledgeable basketball people are openly questioning whether that threshold has been reached, and whether rule changes are necessary to address the loss of faith in the fan base with the historical compact of preferential treatment for stars and certain teams which will enhance the NBA brand.   I am not a conspiracy theorist.  I am not a James hater, because I saw the preferential treatment my Bulls received, and specifically what Michael received, but the Bulls were a superior team playing amongst some all time great teams.......the league did not have to try so hard........todays league and viewership is a whole different animal, and their attempts at raising viewership in my opinion have badly back fired, and have brought the entire integrity of the league in question.

I think that most of my posts have gone completely over your head. First off, there is no unequivocal proof that bad calls have influenced the final outcome. Secondly, I'm not saying bad call are not made, hell the refs are only human and have to make calls on the fast paced action of the game, I used to referee high school games, of course mistakes are going to be made, but influence outcome, no way. I have been saying all along let the players play the game and let the refs make their judgement calls. So since you think all these rules will change things then I guess you are living on another planet. Look how well the flopping rule has worked. A fine for a flopping is just chump change to most of these high salaried players.

Oh BTW, the internet is also buzzing with the 9/11 conspiracy, but just because it's buzzing does not make it true.

Sal wrote:The NBA was built on bad officiating.


Anyone who is surprised that the Spurs are putting up a good fight, doesn't know much about their roster or their coach.

I'm not surprised....the off side for the Spurs is age. As far as the playoff games it hasn't been a factor.

I used to referee high school games, of course mistakes are going to be made, but influence outcome, no way.


You are joking right now........or just making argument for argument sake.    If you think that ref calls cannot change the outcome of games at any level......yes.....I am on another planet.    You are correct.   What you have been saying has in fact gone over my head.   If I attempted to restate your position.......it would be first, because of your experience as a ref, there is no influence on the outcome because in your experience you have never had your calls influenced by others and your bad calls were simply missed calls.

Well sir, I too have been a ref, but my experience is quite different.   We had meetings which discussed what calls under the rules we were going to enforce in the next year, and where there needed to be clarification.  Memos were sent out to coaches on stronger enforcement of certain rules and better definitions.    Yes, if I am blocked by a player and cannot see the play on a standard two man deployment.....I miss calls.   However, I have been the only ref in Junior high games,and missing calls is a reality, but in the NBA, with a three ref alignment, and if the refs know their positioning and why they take that position will always have a set of eyes on the play.  

Now if you think from your experience that the NBA does not have rule conferences and sends out memos you are simply mistaken.   They do this when the integrity of the game is impacted by.............ref discretion.   Now if you think what has been happening in the last year in the NBA is not an outright revolution from 20 years ago....you are wrong.   Utube is now full of game review non calls and phantom calls........the OK series last year resulted in the flop rules, and the uproar this year with the successive offensive fouls in the Pacers series which you conclude did not impact the outcome of the game......well I now have serious questions about whether you even watched the Pacer series.......I have not been commenting the last 6 weeks in isolation.......the internet buzz is not in someone's imagination, and the timing by the NBA of recognizing that the public is seeing what I have been seeing in announcing video replay is not happen stance......it is a direct result of the calls which have in fact changed the outcome of games.

Your comments which you claim have gone over my head seem to be in direct contradiction with the announcements the NBA has been making over the last two weeks......your observations must be going over their head..........also.

My grandfather used to call basketball "the constant whistle".

I do not know how this is going to end up, but James is consistently being beat by guards.  He cannot guard a quick guard.

Here we go with the refs.......when will this stop.

The abc announcers are walking on thin ice to comment on the calls.....
they have even gone to a ref to try to explain why the offensive foul on Duncan was a legitimate call.....a four point swing on that call......awful.

A redeeming performance by both Wade and James tonight so now we move to Sunday night.  Great performance by the Heat!

Wade had a great game.   The Spurs looked tired tonight.  The refs did make a difference, but the Heat with Wade playing well deserved this game despite a few of those early calls.

The refs hardly made calls tonight. The Heat just played lazy defense on the threes, and when Ginobli checked out of the nursing home and took them to school........can you say the Heat are not very good......in unison......the Heat are not very good......the Heat are not very good......

No really......they are not very good.

Where is boards.......he is probably getting geared up to defend Tebow as a great NFL QB, so football season should be as much fun as basketball........it just was when Tebow played the weakest teams in the NFL.....Boards was there telling me he was a winner.....then he vanished on further discussions.....is this going to happen on the heat?

'With this fifth one, he dominates his generation,'' Johnson said in a conference call last week. ''He and Kobe would be the greatest winners during this time. And domination wise, he'll be just as dominant as any big man that's ever played, and also be a great winner as well.''

http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/san-antonio-spurs-tim-duncan-chasing-history-elite-status-in-bid-for-fifth-championship-061713

Mr. James is not even the best among current players.....Tim Duncan may be right up there with the all time greats if the old men beat the Heat.