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Hospitals profit from errors

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1Hospitals profit from errors Empty Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 9:06 am

2seaoat



http://www.nbcnews.com/id/51568932/ns/health-health_care/#.UW_ui1fm-hV

I have a friend who owns a car dealership......he is really incensed that people do not bring their cars into his dealership for service. He does not understand why people prefer independent mechanics or even routine oil changes somewhere else...........You see when a car dealership does not repair your car correctly, but says they will give you a pretty good trade in value......do you think you will take your car to a dealership? Folks profit from screwing up.......then the system definitely needs to change. Making money by keeping people in a hospital.......not the right incentive.

2Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 10:22 am

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I don't bring my car to the dealership because they way overcharge.

3Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 10:25 am

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When A person brings you a vehicle for you to repair and you fuck up the job you get to do it again with no compensation.. You do not get to say "Oh Well that did not work, here try this". A doctor buries his mistakes. Mechanics dont make money on mistakes or poor workmanship

4Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 10:31 am

Sal

Sal

Hallmarkgrad1 wrote:When A person brings you a vehicle for you to repair and you fuck up the job you get to do it again with no compensation.. You do not get to say "Oh Well that did not work, here try this". A doctor buries his mistakes. Mechanics dont make money on mistakes or poor workmanship

You must know an honest mechanic.

5Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 10:47 am

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Hallmarkgrad1 wrote:When A person brings you a vehicle for you to repair and you fuck up the job you get to do it again with no compensation.. You do not get to say "Oh Well that did not work, here try this". A doctor buries his mistakes. Mechanics dont make money on mistakes or poor workmanship

That's not necessarily true. I've known many halfassed jobs being done which required additional hours being charged. An oil leak... replace oil pan gasket... turns out to be the front crank oil seal. Transmission rebuild... didn't replace servos. On and on... there is money to be made by doing a halfassed job... most people know little to nothing about mechanical devices. I do my own work even tho I'd rather pay to have it done.

6Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 10:49 am

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I was a mechanic for many years. The hardest part of the job was overcoming the stigma that you are a no good low skilled thief that is out to take advantage of people.
I never had to resort to ANY type of unfair trade practices.
I moved on the heavy equipment/ship building to lessen the involvement with the public.
I sleep well at night knowing that there is no one that can say I did not do a good job or stand behind my work.

7Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 10:57 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Hallmarkgrad1 wrote:When A person brings you a vehicle for you to repair and you fuck up the job you get to do it again with no compensation.. You do not get to say "Oh Well that did not work, here try this". A doctor buries his mistakes. Mechanics dont make money on mistakes or poor workmanship

I can recall an incident with a local very well known dealer who did "maintenance" on my daughter's car. She bought it there...not long afterwards she was hit by a driver with no insurance...and the car practically had to be rebuilt. My daughter had bought an extended warranty with the car, but where is the incentive for the dealer's mechanic to address issues she was having with the transmission during the warranty period, especially when said dealer (I know him personally) won't back up the warranty?

Now, we don't come with warranties, but even a person who has no brain activity and no chance of recovery can run up hospital bills in the thousands...where is the hospital's incentive to stop the process? Sometimes, it's the family who is in denial, but really, the hospitals only stand to gain by delaying the inevitable.

8Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 11:09 am

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Remember. unless you are dealing with a small independent shop, the person you are dealing with on the repair of your vehicle is not the person making the repair. There is a difference. The Mech gets a job order and he does what is on the work order. If he messes it up he has to do it again on his dime. The issue is with the service writer/dealer/owner/salesman. The mechanic many times gets the blame for something he had nothing to do with.

9Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 11:35 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Hallmarkgrad1 wrote:Remember. unless you are dealing with a small independent shop, the person you are dealing with on the repair of your vehicle is not the person making the repair. There is a difference. The Mech gets a job order and he does what is on the work order. If he messes it up he has to do it again on his dime. The issue is with the service writer/dealer/owner/salesman. The mechanic many times gets the blame for something he had nothing to do with.

Hallmark, I've known plenty of honest mechanics throughout the years. One was the father of a very close childhood friend of mine who worked for my dad's dealership back when. My story was about a dealer's warranty, and you know as well as I do that, for a mechanic, what the boss says goes. My daughter took her car to the dealer for all her followup, and continued to tell the mechanic there was a problem, but he "couldn't find" the problem. And the dealer did not have the cojones to call me back, but had his PR person do it instead. Have another friend who worked for him as a salesperson...she was injured on the job and he didn't want to pay for it, and this guy has money to burn.

I just lost a close friend of many years who was a boat mechanic...great guy, wonderful friend, husband, father and grandfather. He was once my nextdoor neighbor...built a wooden sailboat from scratch...and my husband helped him. You probably knew him.

10Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 11:36 am

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Floridatexan wrote:
I can recall an incident with a local very well known dealer who did "maintenance" on my daughter's car. She bought it there...not long afterwards she was hit by a driver with no insurance...and the car practically had to be rebuilt. My daughter had bought an extended warranty with the car, but where is the incentive for the dealer's mechanic to address issues she was having with the transmission during the warranty period, especially when said dealer (I know him personally) won't back up the warranty?

Now, we don't come with warranties, but even a person who has no brain activity and no chance of recovery can run up hospital bills in the thousands...where is the hospital's incentive to stop the process? Sometimes, it's the family who is in denial, but really, the hospitals only stand to gain by delaying the inevitable.

FT, extended warranties are a waste of money. Just my opinion! I have never bought one and never will. I consider myself a handyman and can do most minor repairs on my vehicle. I can fix appliances if does not call for working on the refrigeration sealed system and only because it is unlawful to work on sealed systems without the certification.

11Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 2:44 pm

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One day a mechanic went to see his doctor. He said"you know Doc me and you are a lot alike. We both fix complex things that are broke or need adjustments. I can take down a Buick engine to the bare block and put it back together and it will run perfect." The Doctor looked at him and "Very good Can you do it while it is running?" LOL

12Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 2:57 pm

Slicef18

Slicef18

Hallmarkgrad1 wrote:When A person brings you a vehicle for you to repair and you fuck up the job you get to do it again with no compensation.. You do not get to say "Oh Well that did not work, here try this". A doctor buries his mistakes. Mechanics dont make money on mistakes or poor workmanship


A doctor buries his mistakes.

Nothing could be further from the truth.
Every patients death is reviewed by the "patient review board."
Just because a patient dies does not mean the physician failed to do his job just as a broken axle is not the fault of the mechanic.

13Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 4:13 pm

cool1

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Dreamsglore wrote:I don't bring my car to the dealership because they way overcharge.

I dont either --same reason

14Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 4:44 pm

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I watched my wife die from fucked up Gastric Bypass surgery. It took her 8 months to die a hideous death. It happens more than you would think.. all the "patient review boards." in the world dont mean shit when your loved ones die.
The Doc damn sure buried her..........

15Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 6:31 pm

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Hallmarkgrad1 wrote:I watched my wife die from fucked up Gastric Bypass surgery. It took her 8 months to die a hideous death. It happens more than you would think.. all the "patient review boards." in the world dont mean shit when your loved ones die.
The Doc damn sure buried her..........

I'm sorry Mr. Hall... I can't imagine both of your pain.

The more I studied medicine the more I realized how little we know.

16Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 7:40 pm

2seaoat



I have seen incredible competence, and incredible incompetence. It would be easy if we had an open peer review process.......but folks in hospitals know where the problems are......and they simply move on to another position.

I was referred to an allergist who never took a chest xray or gave me a pressurized breathing test after I suffered my first pneumonia, and had constricted breathing......after 6 months of utter incompetence......it was almost like a Saturday night comedy sketch, I told him I was going to get a second opinion, and in three days they found the tumor which had collapsed my left upper lung lobe(probably 6 months walking around with a collapsed lung with this doctor treating) and determined it was cancerous.

He goofed up on two other people I personally knew, and he was gone from the clinic.....do not know where he went, but I am certain that in 10 years he will not be seeing patients.......but with people like this in the medical field....you bet profits and rewards will go up........we need peer review.....it is ten fold more effective than malpractice suits which attack problems after the fact.....dynamic and meaningful peer review with teeth saves people prospectively.

17Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 7:44 pm

TEOTWAWKI

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2seaoat wrote:I have seen incredible competence, and incredible incompetence. It would be easy if we had an open peer review process.......but folks in hospitals know where the problems are......and they simply move on to another position.

I was referred to an allergist who never took a chest xray or gave me a pressurized breathing test after I suffered my first pneumonia, and had constricted breathing......after 6 months of utter incompetence......it was almost like a Saturday night comedy sketch, I told him I was going to get a second opinion, and in three days they found the tumor which had collapsed my left upper lung lobe(probably 6 months walking around with a collapsed lung with this doctor treating) and determined it was cancerous.

He goofed up on two other people I personally knew, and he was gone from the clinic.....do not know where he went, but I am certain that in 10 years he will not be seeing patients.......but with people like this in the medical field....you bet profits and rewards will go up........we need peer review.....it is ten fold more effective than malpractice suits which attack problems after the fact.....dynamic and meaningful peer review with teeth saves people prospectively.


Yeah that peer review works so well with teachers and cops...LOL

18Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 7:57 pm

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Yeah that peer review works so well with teachers and cops...LOL



Actually, where it does not exist, the problems are measurably worse, but peer review needs to be real with teeth.....not window dressing.

19Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/18/2013, 9:57 pm

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yall might want to familiarize yourself with this

regulated standards

[url][/url]http://www.hcahpsonline.org/files/HCAHPS%20Fact%20Sheet%20May%202012.pdf

and RAC that goes around and insures hospitals are only charging for medically necessary things, and they will make you pay it back if they find something. All healthcare facilities don't mess with these headhunters.

http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Monitoring-Programs/recovery-audit-program/index.html?redirect=/rac/

and just one more thing, theres more but I thought this would give you a start as you begin your new profession. its a readmit penalty.



http://www.amednews.com/article/20120827/government/308279952/6/

Enjoy your reading.

20Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/19/2013, 7:35 am

Slicef18

Slicef18

Hallmarkgrad1 wrote:I watched my wife die from fucked up Gastric Bypass surgery. It took her 8 months to die a hideous death. It happens more than you would think.. all the "patient review boards." in the world dont mean shit when your loved ones die.
The Doc damn sure buried her..........

Gastric bypass surgery has always carried a higher risk of morbidity or mortality.I don't know if those risks weren't sufficiently explained or your wife's enthusiasm caused her to disregard those risks. It isn't just a surgical risk. There is metabolic risks to consider. The physician has no way of knowing how a patient will respond. I'm very sorry for your loss. Let me say, you will never get over your wife dying, but you will get past it.

21Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/19/2013, 10:13 am

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As shown by posts some members of this forum, the stigma and prejudice against over weight people can be intense and hurtful. It rips your soul when you come home and find the one you love crying because some one called her a "fat bitch" . Yes, it was her choice to have the procedure. She was not a good candidate but that was over looked by the system. Even to me, a layman, the out come was obvious. My point is that the system did not do due diligence in the entire matter. The result were horrendous. Months in ICU, over 800,000 dollars in expenses. Months upon months of a slow death with no hope of ever recovering.
She died in vain. Her story, and others like her, is never told.
I took no legal action against anyone.
Could have, should have, are all moot points...............I miss her.........

22Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/19/2013, 11:17 am

Slicef18

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Hallmarkgrad1 wrote:As shown by posts some members of this forum, the stigma and prejudice against over weight people can be intense and hurtful. It rips your soul when you come home and find the one you love crying because some one called her a "fat bitch" . Yes, it was her choice to have the procedure. She was not a good candidate but that was over looked by the system. Even to me, a layman, the out come was obvious. My point is that the system did not do due diligence in the entire matter. The result were horrendous. Months in ICU, over 800,000 dollars in expenses. Months upon months of a slow death with no hope of ever recovering.
She died in vain. Her story, and others like her, is never told.
I took no legal action against anyone.
Could have, should have, are all moot points...............I miss her.........

You have traveled a road most all of us have no idea of the pain, hope, and constant worry you've gone through month after month after month.

23Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/19/2013, 12:40 pm

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It is all good. Just another adventure in game of life. The only reason I ever post about it is to make someone think about questioning the Gastric By Pass procedure. We talked it before she had it done. I have moved on. It was her wish that I do so.

24Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/19/2013, 1:06 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
I can recall an incident with a local very well known dealer who did "maintenance" on my daughter's car. She bought it there...not long afterwards she was hit by a driver with no insurance...and the car practically had to be rebuilt. My daughter had bought an extended warranty with the car, but where is the incentive for the dealer's mechanic to address issues she was having with the transmission during the warranty period, especially when said dealer (I know him personally) won't back up the warranty?

Now, we don't come with warranties, but even a person who has no brain activity and no chance of recovery can run up hospital bills in the thousands...where is the hospital's incentive to stop the process? Sometimes, it's the family who is in denial, but really, the hospitals only stand to gain by delaying the inevitable.

FT, extended warranties are a waste of money. Just my opinion! I have never bought one and never will. I consider myself a handyman and can do most minor repairs on my vehicle. I can fix appliances if does not call for working on the refrigeration sealed system and only because it is unlawful to work on sealed systems without the certification.

Thanks, Ghost. This was her first car and it was used. The "accident" didn't help, nor did the father leading us on about insurance coverage on the car when there was none. This is a perfect example of parents interceding for their children when they shouldn't. But the shop at the dealership should have totalled the car. The daughter received a ticket because she ran a stop sign...no question there. The father had to pay approx. $12,000 out of pocket...which was very close to the value of the car.

There are few things I appreciate more than a person who can take things apart, analyze them, and put everything back together. It takes patience and complex thought processes.

25Hospitals profit from errors Empty Re: Hospitals profit from errors 4/19/2013, 1:17 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Hallmarkgrad1 wrote:It is all good. Just another adventure in game of life. The only reason I ever post about it is to make someone think about questioning the Gastric By Pass procedure. We talked it before she had it done. I have moved on. It was her wish that I do so.

I'm sorry, Hallmark. I've never been a fan of that surgery...they're trying to make it appear mainstream, but it's just not. Any invasive procedure carries risks.

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