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HHS: Hospital errors, readmissions drop under ObamaCare

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http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/225674-hhs-hospital-errors-readmissions-drop-under-obamacare

The number of patients who were injured or became ill during a hospital stay dropped 17 percent since the start of ObamaCare, saving about $12 billion in healthcare costs, according to new government data.

Strides in patient safety saved the lives of about 50,000 patients and prevented 1.3 million avoidable hospital-related accidengs or illnesses since 2010, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced Monday.

The prevalence of incidents such as adverse drug events, bloodstream infections, pressure ulcers and ventilator-associated pneumonia each declined by 25 percent.

HHS Secretary Sylvia Mathews Burwell told a roomful of Medicaid and Medicare providers on Tuesday that the findings represented “dramatic improvements in patient safety.”

“Think of the difference it makes to a family to have a loved one home for the holidays instead of in the hospital,” she told a crowd at the CMS Quality Conference in Baltimore.

She touted the ways that the Obama administration has tried to make costs and quality information more transparent and to expand the use of electronic health information, all in an effort to “bolster clinical decision-making.”

“I believe that as Americans, we will receive better care – and spend our dollars more wisely – if we find better ways to deliver care, pay providers, and distribute information,” she said.

The report says that while the causes of the decline may not be fully attributed to ObamaCare, “the increase in safety has occurred during a period of concerted attention by hospitals throughout the country to reduce adverse events.”

It specifically points to a Medicare payment program that refunds less money if hospitals have high readmission rates, as well as the public-private alliance called Partnership for Patients.

Burwell said the progress in patient safety was helping to move the country away from a healthcare system “simply did not make sense.”

“We waited until patients got sick in order to treat them, rather than focusing on prevention. Our payment models incentivized volume rather than value,” she said.

HHS took its first big step to reduce hospital mistakes in 2005 with the Patient Safety and Quality Improvement Act. The department continued to roll out patient safety rules until 2008, just two years before ObamaCare was passed.

Attention returned to reform in 2010 when data found the rate of harm among Medicare patients was 27 percent. Almost half of the incidents were considered preventable.

HHS now analyzes up to 33,000 medical records each year in an effort to reduce the total amount of preventable harm by 40 percent.


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boards of FL wrote:http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/225674-hhs-hospital-errors-readmissions-drop-under-obamacare

The number of patients who were injured or became ill during a hospital stay dropped 17 percent since the start of ObamaCare, saving about $12 billion in healthcare costs, according to new government data.

Strides in patient safety saved the lives of about 50,000 patients and prevented 1.3 million avoidable hospital-related accidengs or illnesses since 2010, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced Monday.

The prevalence of incidents such as adverse drug events, bloodstream infections, pressure ulcers and ventilator-associated pneumonia each declined by 25 percent.

HHS Secretary Sylvia Mathews Burwell told a roomful of Medicaid and Medicare providers on Tuesday that the findings represented “dramatic improvements in patient safety.”

“Think of the difference it makes to a family to have a loved one home for the holidays instead of in the hospital,” she told a crowd at the CMS Quality Conference in Baltimore.

She touted the ways that the Obama administration has tried to make costs and quality information more transparent and to expand the use of electronic health information, all in an effort to “bolster clinical decision-making.”

“I believe that as Americans, we will receive better care – and spend our dollars more wisely – if we find better ways to deliver care, pay providers, and distribute information,” she said.

The report says that while the causes of the decline may not be fully attributed to ObamaCare, “the increase in safety has occurred during a period of concerted attention by hospitals throughout the country to reduce adverse events.”

It specifically points to a Medicare payment program that refunds less money if hospitals have high readmission rates, as well as the public-private alliance called Partnership for Patients.

Burwell said the progress in patient safety was helping to move the country away from a healthcare system “simply did not make sense.”

“We waited until patients got sick in order to treat them, rather than focusing on prevention. Our payment models incentivized volume rather than value,” she said.

HHS took its first big step to reduce hospital mistakes in 2005 with the Patient Safety and Quality Improvement Act. The department continued to roll out patient safety rules until 2008, just two years before ObamaCare was passed.

Attention returned to reform in 2010 when data found the rate of harm among Medicare patients was 27 percent. Almost half of the incidents were considered preventable.

HHS now analyzes up to 33,000 medical records each year in an effort to reduce the total amount of preventable harm by 40 percent.

Hard to have readmissions and errors when most people cannot afford to use the insurance in question.

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KarlRove wrote:Hard to have readmissions and errors when most people cannot afford to use the insurance in question.


The study looked at instances of various events per 1,000 discharges, hence, the study is on a per-capita basis.  This means that your comment is irrelevant.


Here is a link to the comprehensive study, for the literate among us.

http://www.ahrq.gov/professionals/quality-patient-safety/pfp/interimhacrate2013.pdf


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So is 33 mil medical records take a true count?

Since a hospital or a doctor has covered up things in the past are you saying that some of these records were not tampered with to reflex better number's?

One thing that amazes me in the 20 years I've been in this business is people who sit on the other side of the table from have no qualms of spilling their cuts about medical problems and botched surgeries local docs have performed. The minute they sit HIPPA is off the table for them. Since obamacare became law I have heard many more story's locally that would flip this article upside down. In other words I don't give a F^&* who wrote it I don't believe it.

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Govt math

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ppaca wrote:So is 33 mil medical records take a true count?

Since a hospital or a doctor has covered up things in the past are you saying that some of these records were not tampered with to reflex better number's?


If hospitals and doctors are always covering things up in the past and today, wouldn't that just be a constant?



ppaca wrote:One thing that amazes me in the 20 years I've been in this business is people who sit on the other side of the table from have no qualms of spilling their cuts about medical problems and botched surgeries local docs have performed. The minute they sit HIPPA is off the table for them. Since obamacare became law I have heard many more story's locally that would flip this article upside down. In other words I don't give a F^&* who wrote it I don't believe it.


This is a robust study that digs down into the numbers and looks at quantitative outcomes year after year.  Things improved markedly this year, so an explanation greater than "Bah!! Doctors and hospitals always fudge data!" is needed to explain such a shift.  As you said, doctors and hospitals are always doing that.  This means that that is a constant and cannot be pointed to in order to explain such a drastic change in these numbers.

Say you were to measure the time an employee arrives at work each day.  8:00.  7:55.  8:02.  7:58.  8:01.   Normal variation of various data points that are essentially constant on average could explain these minute, daily variations.  But if you see one arrival time that is 9:45, we're going to need a better explanation than "Bah! Normal variation!"   Something such as "car trouble" or "power was out and I had no alarm" or some other explanation would be needed to explain such a change.

Applying this principle to this recent study, it almost seems as if there were some sort of...I don't know...change that occurred in the healthcare industry over the last several years.  Perhaps there was a historic policy shift or something along those lines.  

Hmm.  Anything come to mind?


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PkrBum wrote:Govt math


So I have to ask, since all government numbers (and many non-government number) are all fake in PkrBum-land, where do you go to in order to inform yourself on the state of things like the economy or the healthcare industry? Where are the real numbers that you approve of and that you reconcile your political beliefs to?

Can you provide a link? I'd like to see whatever it is that you read on a regular basis that informs you and your worldview (whatever it is). Perhaps if you show me that, I'll have a better understanding of whatever it is that lurks behind comments like "govt math" and "bad ideas fail".

Or do you just kinda wing it and make shit up?


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I find it more interesting that you gobble them up so readily... especially considering that you would lie about anything.

Govt really is god to you wussy leftists... that can be the only explanation.

Btw... a major push and penalties in obamacaid focus on this point.

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PkrBum wrote:I find it more interesting that you gobble them up so readily... especially considering that you would lie about anything.

Govt really is god to you wussy leftists... that can be the only explanation.

Btw... a major push and penalties in obamacaid focus on this point.



No, seriously. Since virtually all numbers that are posted on this forum are apparently fake or part of some clandestine conspiracy, where do you go for good numbers?

Let's see 'em, PkrBum. You're not just making shit up and saying "government math" as a rubber-stamp answer to everything, are you? I'm sure you have your trustworthy data and numbers that that exist outside fo the conspiracy that lead to your worldview.

Care to share them?


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BOF we don't believe you and the boy who cries wolf(Obama) on anything you say. Just last week the fob admitted to overhyping the numbers of sign ups by nearly half a million. So, what I have to say IS relevant knowing the falsehoods of this boondoggle and since I am helping to pay for it in taxes I will damn well say what I want.

Ppaca just called you and your boy out. I'll take anyone's word over your own and the liar in chief

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Oh Gee maybe we could just NOT REPORT ERRORS !


http://nexusilluminati.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/medical-errors-major-cause-of-death.html

According to Dr. Marty Makary, a surgeon at The Johns Hopkins Hospital and author of the book Unaccountable: What Hospitals Won’t Tell You and How Transparency Can Revolutionize Healthcare, eliminating medical errors must become a national priority.




But rather than tackling the issue, the US federal government has quietly decided to “solve” the problem by burying it and shielding it from scrutiny... USA Today4 recently reported that:




“The federal government this month quietly stopped publicly reporting when hospitals leave foreign objects in patients' bodies or make a host of other life-threatening mistakes.




The change, which the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) denied last year that it was making, means people are out of luck if they want to search which hospitals cause high rates of problems such as air embolisms... or giving people the wrong blood type.




CMS removed data on eight of these avoidable ‘hospital acquired conditions’ (HACs) on its hospital comparison site last summer but kept it on a public spreadsheet that could be accessed by quality researchers, patient-safety advocates and consumers savvy enough to translate it. As of this month, it's gone. Now researchers have to calculate their own rates using claims data.”

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http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/08/20/medical-errors-public-disclosure.aspx?e_cid=20140820Z2_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20140820Z2&et_cid=DM54116&et_rid=628026981#_edn4

Data on Serious Hospital Errors Will Now Be Withheld from the Public
August 20, 2014

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Boards, I too have posted articles that can be disputed or outright lies. I am straight out of the 60's and still don't (after all these years) believe's much of what the govt says. Doesn't matter what party. I only know when I and the economy is doing well I may be able to believe some of the crap they feed us. The total fallout will not be realized for obamacare for a couple of years, although it's started for quite a few of us agents.

Gotta ad I am believer now I just saw Laura hussy on channel 3 say construction is up 23% in Okaloosa county.

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Here again, all I am hearing is "All of that is fake!" and "It's all just made up!"

OK.  Let's assume that to be the case for a second.  From where do you get your news and data then?  What numbers do you look at in order to gauge success and failure?  How do you inform yourself about what is going on around you if everything is fake and a vast conspiracy?  

Do you just make shit up?  What gives?  Can anyone step up and simply explain where you get your news?

I wish I could say that this type of incompetence is limited only to our forum republicans, but alas...

When your political base shares the collective brainpower of guacamole, this is what you get.


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boards of FL wrote:

When your political base shares the collective brainpower of guacamole, this is what you get.


That's pretty funny given the fact your base shares the collective brainpower of a dead sloth.

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gatorfan wrote:
boards of FL wrote:

When your political base shares the collective brainpower of guacamole, this is what you get.


That's pretty funny given the fact your base shares the collective brainpower of a dead sloth.



Anything substantive to add?


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When I used to coach, I saw the kids who were losing constantly start to blame the refs. Like the play on the floor did not matter, and it was the scorekeepers and the ref who were responsible for the win or loss.

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The pattern would be for another economic hit before obama leaves office... which I'm sure will be a total shock to leftists.

The market looks like a bubble right now to me... it wouldn't take much to rock the boat.

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PkrBum wrote:The pattern would be for another economic hit before obama leaves office... which I'm sure will be a total shock to leftists.

The market looks like a bubble right now to me...  it wouldn't take much to rock the boat.

HHS: Hospital errors, readmissions drop under ObamaCare Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLrTpdF0ZIJNnliVGsIxeFKzWkgcLj2qf2eU1dcEceY-Gd-Jv15w

It'll be worse than nearly a hundred years ago because this time there'll no money to spare because it'll all be spent.

People don't tend to learn from history.

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PkrBum wrote:The pattern would be for another economic hit before obama leaves office... which I'm sure will be a total shock to leftists.

The market looks like a bubble right now to me...  it wouldn't take much to rock the boat.


Faced with the impossible task of simply stating the relevant data sources that he uses to inform his worldview, PkrBum instead opts to unleash yet another dire economic prediction about our future: The economy will go into recession again at some point.

Bold!

A broken clock gives you the correct time twice per day.


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boards of FL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:The pattern would be for another economic hit before obama leaves office... which I'm sure will be a total shock to leftists.

The market looks like a bubble right now to me...  it wouldn't take much to rock the boat.


Faced with the impossible task of simply stating the relevant data sources that he uses to inform his worldview, PkrBum instead opts to unleash yet another dire economic prediction about our future:  The economy will go into recession again at some point.

Bold!

A broken clock gives you the correct time twice per day.

HHS: Hospital errors, readmissions drop under ObamaCare Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQ79luieUM0qS5rWCi-Yzvt0cpF5sbZ2x1EVNBDz3GoU4Y6AnzEg

Faced with the impossible task of asking a poster what they meant with their comment Boards resorts to the standardized liberal Dixiecrat method of attempting, pathetically I might add, to belittle the poster because his...

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Hospitals do not get paid for any patient readmitted. Hence, far fewer readmissions.

You know, just like the VA had such short waiting lists.

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Faced with the issue of having your gov. numbers disputed by a man who derives his income from the insurance industry and is seemingly more credible, one would have to ask you Boards where will you turn now to get your numbers and data?

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He doesn't care how the data is derived... only that it matches his belief set and ideological agenda.

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no stress wrote:Faced with the issue of having your gov. numbers disputed by a man who derives his income from the insurance industry and is seemingly more credible, one would have to ask you Boards where will you turn now to get your numbers and data?


He admitted that he simply doesn't trust the numbers.  He gave no alternate picture nor an alternate data source.  

One more time for our republicans:  I have provided a comprehensive study that is performed annually and that measures healthcare performance.  It has improved markedly over the last several years.  Note, I'm not the one who performed this study.  This isn't an issue of me versus ppaca.  This is an issue of a comprehensive annual study versus "Meh...government math!"

Once again, the only thing that republicans on this thread have been able to offer "Government math!" and "I don't believe that!" and "All numbers are fake!"  

I could care less who works where or who has expertise in what.  If all ppaca has to offer is a vague, gut-feeling distrust of studies such as the one that I provided, fair enough.  The ball then falls in his court to pony up and provide a study that backs up whatever theory he subscribes to.



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