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Bank Profits "Almost Entirely" Taxpayer Money

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Sal

Sal

Stupid dirty Occupy hippies had no coherent message ...

Bank Profits "Almost Entirely" Taxpayer Money Ia0wsb10

On television, in interviews and in meetings with investors, executives of the biggest U.S. banks -- notably JPMorgan Chase & Co. Chief Executive Jamie Dimon -- make the case that size is a competitive advantage. It helps them lower costs and vie for customers on an international scale. Limiting it, they warn, would impair profitability and weaken the country’s position in global finance.

So what if we told you that, by our calculations, the largest U.S. banks aren’t really profitable at all? What if the billions of dollars they allegedly earn for their shareholders were almost entirely a gift from U.S. taxpayers?

Granted, it’s a hard concept to swallow. It’s also crucial to understanding why the big banks present such a threat to the global economy.

Let’s start with a bit of background. Banks have a powerful incentive to get big and unwieldy. The larger they are, the more disastrous their failure would be and the more certain they can be of a government bailout in an emergency. The result is an implicit subsidy: The banks that are potentially the most dangerous can borrow at lower rates, because creditors perceive them as too big to fail.

Lately, economists have tried to pin down exactly how much the subsidy lowers big banks’ borrowing costs. In one relatively thorough effort, two researchers -- Kenichi Ueda of the International Monetary Fund and Beatrice Weder di Mauro of the University of Mainz -- put the number at about 0.8 percentage point. The discount applies to all their liabilities, including bonds and customer deposits.
Big Difference

Small as it might sound, 0.8 percentage point makes a big difference. Multiplied by the total liabilities of the 10 largest U.S. banks by assets, it amounts to a taxpayer subsidy of $83 billion a year. To put the figure in perspective, it’s tantamount to the government giving the banks about 3 cents of every tax dollar collected.

The top five banks -- JPMorgan, Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc., Wells Fargo & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc. - - account for $64 billion of the total subsidy, an amount roughly equal to their typical annual profits (see tables for data on individual banks). In other words, the banks occupying the commanding heights of the U.S. financial industry -- with almost $9 trillion in assets, more than half the size of the U.S. economy -- would just about break even in the absence of corporate welfare. In large part, the profits they report are essentially transfers from taxpayers to their shareholders.

Neither bank executives nor shareholders have much incentive to change the situation. On the contrary, the financial industry spends hundreds of millions of dollars every election cycle on campaign donations and lobbying, much of which is aimed at maintaining the subsidy. The result is a bloated financial sector and recurring credit gluts. Left unchecked, the superbanks could ultimately require bailouts that exceed the government’s resources. Picture a meltdown in which the Treasury is helpless to step in as it did in 2008 and 2009.

Regulators can change the game by paring down the subsidy. One option is to make banks fund their activities with more equity from shareholders, a measure that would make them less likely to need bailouts (we recommend $1 of equity for each $5 of assets, far more than the 1-to-33 ratio that new global rules require). Another idea is to shock creditors out of complacency by making some of them take losses when banks run into trouble. A third is to prevent banks from using the subsidy to finance speculative trading, the aim of the Volcker rule in the U.S. and financial ring-fencing in the U.K.

Once shareholders fully recognized how poorly the biggest banks perform without government support, they would be motivated to demand better. This could entail anything from cutting pay packages to breaking down financial juggernauts into more manageable units. The market discipline might not please executives, but it would certainly be an improvement over paying banks to put us in danger.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-02-20/why-should-taxpayers-give-big-banks-83-billion-a-year-.html

NaNook

NaNook

I'm guessing you would oppose Jack Lew as the next Treasury Sec. He was the executive in charge for Citi-Bank off-shore client investments. He was paid a million dollar bonus by the tax-payers via the bank bail-outs.

Do you support this ultimate bankster for SEC. Treasury?

Perhaps you should listen to the "Who", "We Won't Get Screwed Again"...no..no....

Sal

Sal

NaNook wrote:I'm guessing you would oppose Jack Lew as the next Treasury Sec. He was the executive in charge for Citi-Bank off-shore client investments. He was paid a million dollar bonus by the tax-payers via the bank bail-outs.

Do you support this ultimate bankster for SEC. Treasury?

Perhaps you should listen to the "Who", "We Won't Get Screwed Again"...no..no....

My number one disagreement with the Obama administration has been his appointment of so many Wall Street insiders to positions of prominence, and I've said so repeatedly.

Lew is no exception.

knothead

knothead

Sal wrote:
NaNook wrote:I'm guessing you would oppose Jack Lew as the next Treasury Sec. He was the executive in charge for Citi-Bank off-shore client investments. He was paid a million dollar bonus by the tax-payers via the bank bail-outs.

Do you support this ultimate bankster for SEC. Treasury?

Perhaps you should listen to the "Who", "We Won't Get Screwed Again"...no..no....

My number one disagreement with the Obama administration has been his appointment of so many Wall Street insiders to positions of prominence, and I've said so repeatedly.

Lew is no exception.


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I must agree with you both but what we are not acknowledging is that the only qualified person to hold that position necessarily must come from that culture on Wall Street. Others, no matter how earnest, educated and with good intentions, would be eaten alive by the complexities of the fiefdoms on Wall Street. It is just a fact . . . . . all we can hope for is to get one that has character and integrity and I believe Jack Lew has those qualities . . . . I hope so!

NaNook

NaNook

knothead wrote:
Sal wrote:
NaNook wrote:I'm guessing you would oppose Jack Lew as the next Treasury Sec. He was the executive in charge for Citi-Bank off-shore client investments. He was paid a million dollar bonus by the tax-payers via the bank bail-outs.

Do you support this ultimate bankster for SEC. Treasury?

Perhaps you should listen to the "Who", "We Won't Get Screwed Again"...no..no....

My number one disagreement with the Obama administration has been his appointment of so many Wall Street insiders to positions of prominence, and I've said so repeatedly.

Lew is no exception.


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I must agree with you both but what we are not acknowledging is that the only qualified person to hold that position necessarily must come from that culture on Wall Street. Others, no matter how earnest, educated and with good intentions, would be eaten alive by the complexities of the fiefdoms on Wall Street. It is just a fact . . . . . all we can hope for is to get one that has character and integrity and I believe Jack Lew has those qualities . . . . I hope so!

Jack Lew ran the Citibank offshore investments for wealthy clients. He himself had offshore investments. Tax shelters, you know......the Romney Bad Stuff...

Not to mention, the million dollar bonus paid by taxpayers via the bank bailouts....yep, hypocritics are climbing on-board...how do they sleep?

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

The Presidents we elect are beholden to Wall Street. Period. No exceptions. They would not be in office if they intended to screw the bankers. You must remember that every president who was assassinated did something to piss off the bankers in one way or another.

Lincoln--Bankers hated his greenbacks, which circulated without interest.

Garfield--Stated his intent to control the nations's money supply--shot 4 months after starting his term.

McKinley--Strongly advocated the gold standard and was against establishment of a central bank.

JFK--signed executive orders curbing the power of the Fed--shot within months of doing this.



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Guest


Guest

knothead wrote:
Sal wrote:
NaNook wrote:I'm guessing you would oppose Jack Lew as the next Treasury Sec. He was the executive in charge for Citi-Bank off-shore client investments. He was paid a million dollar bonus by the tax-payers via the bank bail-outs.

Do you support this ultimate bankster for SEC. Treasury?

Perhaps you should listen to the "Who", "We Won't Get Screwed Again"...no..no....

My number one disagreement with the Obama administration has been his appointment of so many Wall Street insiders to positions of prominence, and I've said so repeatedly.

Lew is no exception.


******************************************************

I must agree with you both but what we are not acknowledging is that the only qualified person to hold that position necessarily must come from that culture on Wall Street. Others, no matter how earnest, educated and with good intentions, would be eaten alive by the complexities of the fiefdoms on Wall Street. It is just a fact . . . . . all we can hope for is to get one that has character and integrity and I believe Jack Lew has those qualities . . . . I hope so!

seems like to me that the seretary of tresury should be a economist not a wall street guru lawyer. perhaps some of god damn problem is we have too many fucking lawyers in the GOV.

Sal

Sal

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:The Presidents we elect are beholden to Wall Street. Period. No exceptions. They would not be in office if they intended to screw the bankers. You must remember that every president who was assassinated did something to piss off the bankers in one way or another.

Lincoln--Bankers hated his greenbacks, which circulated without interest.

Garfield--Stated his intdent to control the nations's money supply--shot 4 months after starting his term.

McKinley--Strongly advocated the gold standard and was against establishment of a central bank.

JFK--signed executive orders curbing the power of the Fed--shot within months of doing this.

tru dat

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Sal wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:The Presidents we elect are beholden to Wall Street. Period. No exceptions. They would not be in office if they intended to screw the bankers. You must remember that every president who was assassinated did something to piss off the bankers in one way or another.

Lincoln--Bankers hated his greenbacks, which circulated without interest.

Garfield--Stated his intdent to control the nations's money supply--shot 4 months after starting his term.

McKinley--Strongly advocated the gold standard and was against establishment of a central bank.

JFK--signed executive orders curbing the power of the Fed--shot within months of doing this.

tru dat

No conspiracy here...move along.....

Guest


Guest

Ummm... What happened to the logic that we had to throw borrowed money at them to save the world?

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Eric Holder needs to prosecute or resign....it is that simple.

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