Gun Control

Yella wrote:The subject of gun control is often discussed here. It is my view that nothing will affect the continued gun violence and deaths by firearms; not registration, not background checks, not making assault rifles illegal. If a criminal needs a weapon to commit a crime or defend himself from criminal competitors he is going to get it from an illegal source, so gun control is basically for law abiding citizen.
I have stated many times that the only way to control firearm violence is to punish the offenders. We do punish them but it is often that we sentence a criminal to many years in prison and let them out in only months. To repeat. I think the commission of ANY crime with a firearm should be a capital offense and then carry out the death sentence after a criminal has had one appeal. .
So far nobody agrees with me.

Does this mean all of you think our present methods of justice are working just fine?

Bob wrote:

Yella wrote:The subject of gun control is often discussed here. It is my view that nothing will affect the continued gun violence and deaths by firearms; not registration, not background checks, not making assault rifles illegal. If a criminal needs a weapon to commit a crime or defend himself from criminal competitors he is going to get it from an illegal source, so gun control is basically for law abiding citizen.
I have stated many times that the only way to control firearm violence is to punish the offenders. We do punish them but it is often that we sentence a criminal to many years in prison and let them out in only months. To repeat. I think the commission of ANY crime with a firearm should be a capital offense and then carry out the death sentence after a criminal has had one appeal. .
So far nobody agrees with me.

Does this mean all of you think our present methods of justice are working just fine?

I'm 100% agreement with you that anyone who takes a firearm to a crime should be squashed like a bug. And I have no problem with hanging him in the public square. In fact I would relish being able to witness that execution.

But there is only one problem I can foresee with this idea. And that's how we define "crime".

I'm with you when we think of "crime" being an armed robbery or a home invasion or as far as I'm concerned, even a burglary. When someone carries a gun to a burglary he is anticipating using that gun on an innocent victim (civilian or cop). There is absolutely NO OTHER REASON for him to be in possession of that gun. And intentionally setting the scene for the injury or death of an innocent victim is enough for me. I do not want those maggots to keep breathing on my planet.

But, now we come to what constitutes a "crime". What if someone is using a gun in self-defense. Or using a gun to protect the life or property of others. Or shoots someone burglarizing his house but shoots them outside the door instead of inside the house. In real-life, often the circumstances surrounding these events are not clear.
And because of that it's not uncommon for someone to be convicted of "a crime", even when you and I would not agree that a crime was committed. But in the eyes of the justice system it will still be "a crime".
Or what if you or I have a gun in our car to protect ourselves and we enter a state which makes it "a crime" to be in possession of that gun in our car.

If we adopt a policy of executing everyone who is convicted of "a crime" while in possession of a firearm, I think it opens a can of worms that you may not want to see open. That's a can of worms that may one day find you and I inside of it.

So if you limit it to robberies and home invasions and burglaries and drive-by shootings and the like, then I'm with you.

Yella wrote:So far there have been 37 views but only 2 responses.

Is this because the rest of you feel that killing killers is wrong?

Yella wrote:So far there have been 37 views but only 2 responses.

Is this because the rest of you feel that killing killers is wrong?

W_T_M wrote:While the what-ifs are being counted, add this to the mix.

What if a dude is involved in a minor traffic accident...no injuries....no damage, but the victim has already summoned the HP, and when he arrives he's presented with a visibly tipsy driver of the striking vehicle. A search of the car reveals an open beer, small amount of pot, some paraphernalia, and a loaded handgun.



The only way I support the death penalty is in smoking gun cases. The rest should be life w/out parole...period.

Yella wrote:So far there have been 37 views but only 2 responses.

Is this because the rest of you feel that killing killers is wrong?

Joanimaroni wrote:

W_T_M wrote:While the what-ifs are being counted, add this to the mix.

What if a dude is involved in a minor traffic accident...no injuries....no damage, but the victim has already summoned the HP, and when he arrives he's presented with a visibly tipsy driver of the striking vehicle. A search of the car reveals an open beer, small amount of pot, some paraphernalia, and a loaded handgun.



The only way I support the death penalty is in smoking gun cases. The rest should be life w/out parole...period.

It is still illegal.

W_T_M wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

W_T_M wrote:While the what-ifs are being counted, add this to the mix.

What if a dude is involved in a minor traffic accident...no injuries....no damage, but the victim has already summoned the HP, and when he arrives he's presented with a visibly tipsy driver of the striking vehicle. A search of the car reveals an open beer, small amount of pot, some paraphernalia, and a loaded handgun.



The only way I support the death penalty is in smoking gun cases. The rest should be life w/out parole...period.

It is still illegal.

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What's your point...?

I have had several no harm/no foul parking lot quibbles in the last 20 years, and each time we all agreed to not report it.

Should I be arrested for not reporting those "crimes"....?

Should you be stopped and given a ticket for changing lanes w/out signal, or following too closely...? I observe that on an almost daily basis, even from LEO's engaging in that criminal behavior. And they're armed in the commission of their crimes.

Maroni, whether it was illegal or not was not the issue, was it...?

It was about circumstance dictating outcome. If those folk had cell phones back in the day, would they have called the HP before we checked for damages...?

Can't un-ring the bell...



BTW...I am certainly not excusing the perp w/ the stuff in his vehicle. I was only showing how a gun involved was in this case, peripheral to the real issue.

Nekochan wrote:I could agree to having life without parole for crimes committed with a gun. I wouldn't go as far as having an automatic death penalty. Heck, there are ax murderers and child rapists who don't get life, much less the death penalty. We would have to reconsider sentencing for other crimes if we're going to crack down on sentencing for crimes with guns. Because as far as I'm concerned, a child rapist should get the death penalty before some guy who holds up a liquor store with a gun that isn't discharged.

That is not to say I want to be easy on gun crimes. If you go somewhere with a gun and commit a crime, I think you had better be prepared to spend life in prison WITHOUT parole.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:So what's the penalty for killing americans without a trial by a drone ?

Bob wrote:With armed robbery it's a no-brainer for me. Hang em high.
Armed home invasion. Same thing.
Shooting a gun out of a car. Get a noose.

But then we come to burglary. You might want to set up the scenario that a burglar is broke and needs to steal to get money to feed his kids.
No gun? Different story.
That burglar is carrying a gun? No different to me than the armed robber. Hang em high.

That's the black and white. The rest is the gray area for me.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:So what's the penalty for killing americans without a trial by a drone ?

Bob wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:So what's the penalty for killing americans without a trial by a drone ?

I have to know more. Which American is killing another American using a drone? What are the circumstances?

If I had a drone I would kill some Americans with it right now if I could get away with it. With emphasis on being able to get away with it.

Nekochan wrote:

Really, I don't have a problem with that cause I have no sympathy for armed robbers....except there is no incentive for the robbers and other criminals not to kill whomever they come across. Just kill, kill, kill....sentencing is the same no matter what.