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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Yet people argue that we should give it more and more control over us to protect us from terrorists or illness or poverty. The problem is that the governments only tool is at the end FORCE. So you are saying to the mafia protect us....fools, who will protect us from the mafia / government. "A government that is big enough to give you everything is big enough to take everything away."



“Government is not reason. It is not eloquence. Government is force; like fire it is a dangerous servant -- and a fearful master.”
—George Washington, 1797

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So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men.

Voltaire

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Government has a legitimate role to fulfill...that of watchdog. Unfortunately, the government has been falling down on that job for quite some time now.

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Floridatexan wrote:
Government has a legitimate role to fulfill...that of watchdog. Unfortunately, the government has been falling down on that job for quite some time now.

please define and show where the governments legitimate roll is "watchdog"

no stress

no stress

Chrissy8 wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
Government has a legitimate role to fulfill...that of watchdog. Unfortunately, the government has been falling down on that job for quite some time now.

please define and show where the governments legitimate roll is "watchdog" ''

Good luck with that chrissy. I've noticed that some people just pop up on here ,make an assinine statement and never come back to explain said statement any further. No biggie to me...just sayin.

no stress

no stress

Maybe they think that providing for the general welfare somehow means being a watchdog. Me? I dont need a watchdog looking out for me except for maybe the military whose primary goal these days is to protect us from the terrorists who the "watchdog government" pissed off initially and got them on us. Incredible! Imagine this. I'm your bodyguard but I tell someone that you dont even know that you said he was a lowlife goatsucker and his momma was a toad. Now I've got job security protecting you for life against that which you personally didnt even piss off!!

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Gunz wrote:Maybe they think that providing for the general welfare somehow means being a watchdog. Me? I dont need a watchdog looking out for me except for maybe the military whose primary goal these days is to protect us from the terrorists who the "watchdog government" pissed off initially and got them on us. Incredible! Imagine this. I'm your bodyguard but I tell someone that you dont even know that you said he was a lowlife goatsucker and his momma was a toad. Now I've got job security protecting you for life against that which you personally didnt even piss off!!

And of course the bodyguard gets paid a whole lot more because he can show you the threat is real...

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

At least with government we are theoretically able to vote people out of office and demand a certain amount of transparency. The other major force in society today is the power of corporations. One purpose of government is to set the rules by which corporations function. Business needs the public sector and government needs business. It just needs to be balanced. Right now the power has swung towards corporations but it will move back again.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

othershoe1030 wrote:At least with government we are theoretically able to vote people out of office and demand a certain amount of transparency. The other major force in society today is the power of corporations. One purpose of government is to set the rules by which corporations function. Business needs the public sector and government needs business. It just needs to be balanced. Right now the power has swung towards corporations but it will move back again.

Yeah that's why the GOVERNMENT PAID to have all the General Motors jobs sent to CHINA...Yeah thanks for that bit o wisdom...

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Is this what you're talking about? At this point it looks like GM is expanding. It is a global market. It is the guys running GM, the corporation, not the government making the decisions. Corporations are trying to make money. Government is supposed to protect our rights and set the rules.
Two years after it was saved by a bailout from Washington, General Motors is trumpeting its latest investments in China.

As CBS News business and economics correspondent Rebecca Jarvis reported from Shanghai, American cars are more popular than ever in China, and U.S. automakers sell more cars there than anywhere else in the world. And while that's good news for American car companies, it makes many question what it will mean for American jobs.

If you were to visit General Motors in Shanghai, you'd find a lot of what you would in Detroit

The plant, says David Gibbons, executive director of manufacturing for GM in Shanghai, is "very similar. The processes are the same, the systems are the same, the quality systems are the same. Really, the only difference is the employees."

With its Chinese partner, Shanghai Automotive Industrial Corp., GM manufactures Buicks, Chevys and Cadillacs in China -- for the Chinese market -- and employs more than 13,000 people throughout the country.

That number is set to grow, thanks to a just-announced deal to develop and build, with SAIC, the next generation of electric cars in China.

On Wednesday, GM opened an advanced technology center in Shanghai meant to help it design lighter, safer and more efficient cars for a market that has proven crucial to its survival. The facility will include a lab devoted to developing new battery cells for EVs.

And GM and General Electric agreed Thursday on a pilot installation of electric vehicle charging stations in Shanghai, the latest step in the automaker's plan to develop infrastructure in China to support sales of its Chevrolet Volt electric car.

China is, says Gibbons, "obviously very important for GM. This is a strong growth market. It's a growth industry. We're here in China to produce cars for the local market."

China is seen as a promising market for electric vehicles because of its keenness on limiting its dependence on costly imports of crude oil and reducing severe pollution from auto emissions.

The government has made development of so-called "new energy" vehicles a key part of its current five-year economic plan, promising subsidies and billions of dollars in new investments.

Last year, Chinese consumers bought 16.6 million cars -- 5 million more than the number sold in the entire U.S., according to J.D. Power and Associates.

So far, all the cars GM sells in the U.S. are made there, Jarvis says.

Asked if he can foresee the day when GM makes cars in China to sell in the U.S., Gibbons told Jarvis, "Right now, we have our hands full just producing cars for the local market, and that's what our focus is at this time."

While GM won't say whether electric vehicles will eventually going to be produced for the United States in China, Jarvis observes, "Clearly, China has a competitive advantage, with lower costs and skyrocketing sales."
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500173_162-20110006.html

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Yes the government never pushed the LOSER volt on GM did they....everyone go back to lala land....Fascism is alive and well in America.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Whether it is the volt or some other car, electric cars are here to stay. We need to develop clean energy and get away from dirty fossil fuel. Government and business have to work together. This idea that they can only be adversaries is crazy. Well, of course many corporations have figured out how to belly up to the tax payers trough so there is that sort of cooperation. We need it to be geared more to progress for the environment, not just plumping up the corps. bottom line.


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Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote:
Government has a legitimate role to fulfill...that of watchdog. Unfortunately, the government has been falling down on that job for quite some time now.

Maybe you could point to that part in the Constitution of the United States?

Markle

Markle

othershoe1030 wrote:Is this what you're talking about? At this point it looks like GM is expanding. It is a global market. It is the guys running GM, the corporation, not the government making the decisions. Corporations are trying to make money. Government is supposed to protect our rights and set the rules.
Two years after it was saved by a bailout from Washington, General Motors is trumpeting its latest investments in China.

As CBS News business and economics correspondent Rebecca Jarvis reported from Shanghai, American cars are more popular than ever in China, and U.S. automakers sell more cars there than anywhere else in the world. And while that's good news for American car companies, it makes many question what it will mean for American jobs.

If you were to visit General Motors in Shanghai, you'd find a lot of what you would in Detroit

The plant, says David Gibbons, executive director of manufacturing for GM in Shanghai, is "very similar. The processes are the same, the systems are the same, the quality systems are the same. Really, the only difference is the employees."

With its Chinese partner, Shanghai Automotive Industrial Corp., GM manufactures Buicks, Chevys and Cadillacs in China -- for the Chinese market -- and employs more than 13,000 people throughout the country.

That number is set to grow, thanks to a just-announced deal to develop and build, with SAIC, the next generation of electric cars in China.

On Wednesday, GM opened an advanced technology center in Shanghai meant to help it design lighter, safer and more efficient cars for a market that has proven crucial to its survival. The facility will include a lab devoted to developing new battery cells for EVs.

And GM and General Electric agreed Thursday on a pilot installation of electric vehicle charging stations in Shanghai, the latest step in the automaker's plan to develop infrastructure in China to support sales of its Chevrolet Volt electric car.

China is, says Gibbons, "obviously very important for GM. This is a strong growth market. It's a growth industry. We're here in China to produce cars for the local market."

China is seen as a promising market for electric vehicles because of its keenness on limiting its dependence on costly imports of crude oil and reducing severe pollution from auto emissions.

The government has made development of so-called "new energy" vehicles a key part of its current five-year economic plan, promising subsidies and billions of dollars in new investments.

Last year, Chinese consumers bought 16.6 million cars -- 5 million more than the number sold in the entire U.S., according to J.D. Power and Associates.

So far, all the cars GM sells in the U.S. are made there, Jarvis says.

Asked if he can foresee the day when GM makes cars in China to sell in the U.S., Gibbons told Jarvis, "Right now, we have our hands full just producing cars for the local market, and that's what our focus is at this time."

While GM won't say whether electric vehicles will eventually going to be produced for the United States in China, Jarvis observes, "Clearly, China has a competitive advantage, with lower costs and skyrocketing sales."
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500173_162-20110006.html

As you well know, the Tax Payer and the Auto Unions own GM.

Tax payers are owed tens of billions of dollars we will never see.

The bailout was not from Washington, it was from TAX PAYERS.

You are boasting that GM is working to export more jobs to China. Profits from those sales will stay in...CHINA.

You also left out Chrysler which has paid off their debt to tax payers but...are no longer an American auto maker.

The government shut down thousands of privately owned dealerships across the country. The government shut down Pontiac (my toy is a '66 Goat) Saturn and Hummer. Isn't that what Progressives accuse former Governor Mitt Romney and Bain Capital of doing?

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