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2 Re: The problem IS Israel 1/25/2013, 6:39 pm
TEOTWAWKI
http://ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-newfindings.html
New Findings Reveal Israel and U.S. Covered Up Deliberate Israeli Attack on U.S. Navy Ship in 1967
Chief Attorney to Original Navy Court of
Inquiry Breaks 3 Decades of Silence;
Exposes Cover-up by Johnson White House
New Findings Reveal Israel and U.S. Covered Up Deliberate Israeli Attack on U.S. Navy Ship in 1967
Chief Attorney to Original Navy Court of
Inquiry Breaks 3 Decades of Silence;
Exposes Cover-up by Johnson White House
3 Re: The problem IS Israel 1/25/2013, 6:41 pm
TEOTWAWKI
On October 22, 2003, senior military officials gathered on Capitol Hill to ask for a new and honest naval inquiry into the 1967 attack, as well as why the US government cover-up followed.
“The men of the USS Liberty were representing the U.S. They were attacked for over 2 hours by Israeli Air Force and Navy units with 70% American casualties and the eventual loss of our best intelligence ship,” said Admiral Thomas Moorer, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. “These sailors and marines were entitled to our best defense. We gave them no defense. The findings of this commission are irrefutable. Every other attack on a ship in our history has been investigated by our Congress except this one.”
“Nor has Congress ever investigated the recall by the White House of U.S. Navy aircraft sent to rescue the Liberty while the ship was still under attack,” he added. “The White House cancellation of the Navy’s attempt to rescue the Liberty is the most disgraceful thing I have witnessed in my entire military career.”
“Why would our government put Israel’s interests ahead of our own? Does it continue to do so? This is an important issue that should be investigated by an independent, fully empowered commission of the American government. Our own Independent Commission of Inquiry findings have grave implications for our national security and for the American people. In order to confront this problem, the American people and our elected officers will need to overcome their fear of the pro-Israel lobby in the United States,” Moorer continued.
“The men of the USS Liberty were representing the U.S. They were attacked for over 2 hours by Israeli Air Force and Navy units with 70% American casualties and the eventual loss of our best intelligence ship,” said Admiral Thomas Moorer, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. “These sailors and marines were entitled to our best defense. We gave them no defense. The findings of this commission are irrefutable. Every other attack on a ship in our history has been investigated by our Congress except this one.”
“Nor has Congress ever investigated the recall by the White House of U.S. Navy aircraft sent to rescue the Liberty while the ship was still under attack,” he added. “The White House cancellation of the Navy’s attempt to rescue the Liberty is the most disgraceful thing I have witnessed in my entire military career.”
“Why would our government put Israel’s interests ahead of our own? Does it continue to do so? This is an important issue that should be investigated by an independent, fully empowered commission of the American government. Our own Independent Commission of Inquiry findings have grave implications for our national security and for the American people. In order to confront this problem, the American people and our elected officers will need to overcome their fear of the pro-Israel lobby in the United States,” Moorer continued.
4 Re: The problem IS Israel 1/25/2013, 6:52 pm
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So why were we there off the coast of what was one of the most explosive areas of the world when a war was getting ready to kick off between Israel and the rest of the Arab world???
What vital national interest was at stake to risk the lives of our naval personnel? Hmmmmm.
President Johnson, stepped on his own JOHNSON with his orders to sail this ship into this area. Want to blame anyone? Blame LBJ.
What vital national interest was at stake to risk the lives of our naval personnel? Hmmmmm.
President Johnson, stepped on his own JOHNSON with his orders to sail this ship into this area. Want to blame anyone? Blame LBJ.
5 Re: The problem IS Israel 1/25/2013, 6:59 pm
TEOTWAWKI
PACEDOG#1 wrote:So why were we there off the coast of what was one of the most explosive areas of the world when a war was getting ready to kick off between Israel and the rest of the Arab world???
What vital national interest was at stake to risk the lives of our naval personnel? Hmmmmm.
President Johnson, stepped on his own JOHNSON with his orders to sai
l this ship into this area. Want to blame anyone? Blame LBJ.
You must be the dumbest military guy ever walked..They were following orders from a damned to hell president to aid Israel in sinking the Liberty as a provocation to bring the US into the war against Egypt...Just as they do today, time after time drawing us into their wars for the good of Israel and the death of Americans...I don't know how you can be so stupid.
6 Re: The problem IS Israel 1/25/2013, 7:06 pm
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Guest
TEOTWAWKI wrote:PACEDOG#1 wrote:So why were we there off the coast of what was one of the most explosive areas of the world when a war was getting ready to kick off between Israel and the rest of the Arab world???
What vital national interest was at stake to risk the lives of our naval personnel? Hmmmmm.
President Johnson, stepped on his own JOHNSON with his orders to sai
l this ship into this area. Want to blame anyone? Blame LBJ.
You must be the dumbest military guy ever walked..They were following orders from a damned to hell president to aid Israel in sinking the Liberty as a provocation to bring the US into the war against Egypt...Just as they do today, time after time drawing us into their wars for the good of Israel and the death of Americans...I don't know how you can be so stupid.
Riiiiiiiiiight....
Again, what was our vital national interest? Do you even know what a vital national interest is???
I'd really like to know what our vital national interest was in sending an intel ship into an area that both side of hostile nations were contesting and would shoot first and then ask questions later if encountered? Let me know. The problem is this...you don't know and you don't have an answer.
7 Re: The problem IS Israel 1/25/2013, 7:14 pm
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Guest
BTW, in my National Security Policy class (grad level), this is what a vital national interest is....
"A vital national interest for our nation is one so important that it concerns the United States being placed in grave national danger to the point that it is willing to expend lives and national treasure (money) to ensure that our way of life continues to exist and flourish as a nation."
So, what did having an Intel ship floating off the coast of the most flammable regions of the Earth, then and now, have to do with a vital national interest to the United States???
If you can give me an answer, then you win. If you cannot give me a reason why this was a vital national interest to send our men into harm's way....you lose.
With this scenario, I already know you lose.
"A vital national interest for our nation is one so important that it concerns the United States being placed in grave national danger to the point that it is willing to expend lives and national treasure (money) to ensure that our way of life continues to exist and flourish as a nation."
So, what did having an Intel ship floating off the coast of the most flammable regions of the Earth, then and now, have to do with a vital national interest to the United States???
If you can give me an answer, then you win. If you cannot give me a reason why this was a vital national interest to send our men into harm's way....you lose.
With this scenario, I already know you lose.
8 Re: The problem IS Israel 1/25/2013, 7:53 pm
Floridatexan
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html
9 Re: The problem IS Israel 1/25/2013, 7:55 pm
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Floridatexan wrote:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html
So FT, what was that vital national interest served by sending Americans into what was probably the most hostile area of the Earth at that time of World History?
10 Re: The problem IS Israel 1/25/2013, 8:39 pm
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PACEDOG#1 wrote:Floridatexan wrote:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ussliberty.html
So FT, what was that vital national interest served by sending Americans into what was probably the most hostile area of the Earth at that time of World History?
12 Re: The problem IS Israel 1/25/2013, 11:27 pm
Floridatexan
http://www.alanhart.net/why-really-was-the-uss-liberty-attacked-by-israel/
"...The problem with the truth, not only the truth about Israel’s attack on the Liberty but its ethnic cleansing of Palestine and many other manifestation’s of its arrogance of power and contempt for international law, is that it’s pregnant with extreme danger because it could provoke anti-Semitism throughout the Western world where most Jews live as citizens of many nations. There is, however, a way to exorcise this extreme danger. It is by explaining the difference between Judaism and Zionism. I believe that knowledge of this difference is THE key to understanding.
JUDAISM is the religion of Jews, not “the” Jews because not all Jews are religious. Like Christianity and Islam, Judaism has at its core a set of moral values and ethical principles.
ZIONISM as Jewish nationalism is a sectarian, colonial ideology-and-enterprise which, in the process of creating in the Arab heartland a state for some Jews – mainly by terrorism and ethnic cleansing – made a mockery of, and demonstrated contempt for, Judaism’s moral values and ethical principles.
Supporters of Israel right or wrong conflate Judaism and Zionism because the assertion that they are one and the same enables them to claim that criticism of Israel is a manifestation of anti-Semitism.Often, almost always these days, the accusation that criticism of Israel IS anti-Semitic is a form of blackmail, intended to silence criticism of, and suppress informed and honest debate about, the Zionist (not Jewish) state and its policies. The reality is that Judaism and Zionism as Jewish nationalism are total opposites, and knowledge of the difference is the key to understanding two things:
1. Why it is perfectly possible, with good reason on the basis of all the facts, to be passionately anti-Zionist (opposed to Zionism’s on-going colonial enterprise) without being, in any way, shape or form anti-Semitic.
2. Why it is wrong to blame ALL Jews everywhere for the crimes of the hardest core Zionist few in Palestine that became little Israel, and then Greater Israel..."
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Read the whole entry for the story of why the USS Liberty posed a threat. Israeli Zionists were in the process of violating their own peace accord.
13 Re: The problem IS Israel 1/25/2013, 11:39 pm
ZVUGKTUBM
Did you know that the Zionists were happy the Holocaust happened? They were glad because they knew it would further their cause. Yitzhak Gruenbaum, a founding father of Israel, was once quoted as saying: "...One cow in Palestine is worth all of the Jews in Poland..." The Zionists didn't care that their fellow Jews were being gassed at the hands of the Nazis, so long as this lead to establishment of a Zionist state in Palestine. The Zionists are a plague on the Holy Land.
14 Re: The problem IS Israel 1/25/2013, 11:44 pm
ZVUGKTUBM
Floridatexan wrote:
http://www.alanhart.net/why-really-was-the-uss-liberty-attacked-by-israel/
"...The problem with the truth, not only the truth about Israel’s attack on the Liberty but its ethnic cleansing of Palestine and many other manifestation’s of its arrogance of power and contempt for international law, is that it’s pregnant with extreme danger because it could provoke anti-Semitism throughout the Western world where most Jews live as citizens of many nations. There is, however, a way to exorcise this extreme danger. It is by explaining the difference between Judaism and Zionism. I believe that knowledge of this difference is THE key to understanding.
JUDAISM is the religion of Jews, not “the” Jews because not all Jews are religious. Like Christianity and Islam, Judaism has at its core a set of moral values and ethical principles.
ZIONISM as Jewish nationalism is a sectarian, colonial ideology-and-enterprise which, in the process of creating in the Arab heartland a state for some Jews – mainly by terrorism and ethnic cleansing – made a mockery of, and demonstrated contempt for, Judaism’s moral values and ethical principles.
Supporters of Israel right or wrong conflate Judaism and Zionism because the assertion that they are one and the same enables them to claim that criticism of Israel is a manifestation of anti-Semitism.Often, almost always these days, the accusation that criticism of Israel IS anti-Semitic is a form of blackmail, intended to silence criticism of, and suppress informed and honest debate about, the Zionist (not Jewish) state and its policies. The reality is that Judaism and Zionism as Jewish nationalism are total opposites, and knowledge of the difference is the key to understanding two things:
1. Why it is perfectly possible, with good reason on the basis of all the facts, to be passionately anti-Zionist (opposed to Zionism’s on-going colonial enterprise) without being, in any way, shape or form anti-Semitic.
2. Why it is wrong to blame ALL Jews everywhere for the crimes of the hardest core Zionist few in Palestine that became little Israel, and then Greater Israel..."
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Read the whole entry for the story of why the USS Liberty posed a threat. Israeli Zionists were in the process of violating their own peace accord.
Not only, they were about to become a nuclear power. The real reason for the 1967 war was because of what was cooking in the reactor at Dimona--fissile material for Israel's first nuclear warheads. Israel actually assembled its first illicit bomb a couple of weeks before the 1967 war broke out, and held it in reserve in case it was needed.
15 Re: The problem IS Israel 1/25/2013, 11:52 pm
Markle
TEOTWAWKI wrote:http://ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/ul-newfindings.html
New Findings Reveal Israel and U.S. Covered Up Deliberate Israeli Attack on U.S. Navy Ship in 1967
Chief Attorney to Original Navy Court of
Inquiry Breaks 3 Decades of Silence;
Exposes Cover-up by Johnson White House
Sorry, no new findings and it was throughly investigated. There were errors made on both sides, as does happen in war and between friendly sources.
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