Ban abortions for the children.....

Watcher wrote:

alecto wrote:

2seaoat wrote:So it is a simple math problem to take away folks constitutional rights?

Folks can keep their constitutional right to have an abortion but where in the constitution does it say the American taxpayer has to pay for it. People want abortions then they should have to pay for it.

Taxpayers do not pay for abortions through Planned Parenthood. This is the law.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/planned-parenhood-got-542-million-in-gov-money-or-1622-for-every-abortion/


Planned parenthood gets $1622 / dead baby.


HIPOCRACY !

The nation's largest abortion provider, Planned Parenthood, reports it received $542 million from government sources in 2011-2012 while performing 995,687 abortions from 2009-2011. In 2011 alone, its clinics performed 333,964 abortions.

Don't start this abortion crap again,Teo. It's settled law.

I never let a broad tell me too shut up yet and I won't now....Open forum...if you can't take the chill go back in the kitchen......wasn't slavery settled law ?

Floridatexan wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/planned-parenhood-got-542-million-in-gov-money-or-1622-for-every-abortion/


Planned parenthood gets $1622 / dead baby.


HIPOCRACY !

The nation's largest abortion provider, Planned Parenthood, reports it received $542 million from government sources in 2011-2012 while performing 995,687 abortions from 2009-2011. In 2011 alone, its clinics performed 333,964 abortions.

Don't start this abortion crap again,Teo. It's settled law.

I never let a broad tell me too shut up yet and I won't now....Open forum...if you can't take the chill go back in the kitchen......wasn't slavery settled law ?

A "broad"???? That's why you have no women friends...not for long anyway. YOU can't get pregnant by virtue of your anatomy. Seaoat is wrong again...there most certainly ARE cases where abortion is the only logical course of action...ectopic pregnancy, various fetal syndromes, the condition of the woman's anatomy...possibly from prior complications of pregnancy...and of course the exceptions in cases of rape or incest. Ironic, isn't it, that no one can touch your guns but you want the government to tell WOMEN what to do with their bodies?

Watcher wrote:

alecto wrote:

2seaoat wrote:So it is a simple math problem to take away folks constitutional rights?

Folks can keep their constitutional right to have an abortion but where in the constitution does it say the American taxpayer has to pay for it. People want abortions then they should have to pay for it.

Taxpayers do not pay for abortions through Planned Parenthood. This is the law.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/

Joanimaroni wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/planned-parenhood-got-542-million-in-gov-money-or-1622-for-every-abortion/


Planned parenthood gets $1622 / dead baby.


HIPOCRACY !

The nation's largest abortion provider, Planned Parenthood, reports it received $542 million from government sources in 2011-2012 while performing 995,687 abortions from 2009-2011. In 2011 alone, its clinics performed 333,964 abortions.

Don't start this abortion crap again,Teo. It's settled law.

I never let a broad tell me too shut up yet and I won't now....Open forum...if you can't take the chill go back in the kitchen......wasn't slavery settled law ?

A "broad"???? That's why you have no women friends...not for long anyway. YOU can't get pregnant by virtue of your anatomy. Seaoat is wrong again...there most certainly ARE cases where abortion is the only logical course of action...ectopic pregnancy, various fetal syndromes, the condition of the woman's anatomy...possibly from prior complications of pregnancy...and of course the exceptions in cases of rape or incest. Ironic, isn't it, that no one can touch your guns but you want the government to tell WOMEN what to do with their bodies?

An ectopic pregnancy requires surgery not an abortion....it is a pregnancy that occurs outside of the uterus.

There are some medical reasons for an abortion....but birth control and inconvenience is not a reason to destroy a fetus.

2seaoat wrote: Seaoat is wrong again.

So I am wrong in my belief that abortions should be avoided unless necessary for the mother's health........and I think that decision should be the mother's and her doctor's decision, not government coming between a mother and her doctor. Some people on this forum have no problem with big government intrusions.....especially if they do not have a uterus.........and on the other hand we have folks who think that abortion is just one more type of birth control.....so if I am wrong.....I am very comfortable in my wrongness.

Floridatexan wrote:

Joanimaroni wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/planned-parenhood-got-542-million-in-gov-money-or-1622-for-every-abortion/


Planned parenthood gets $1622 / dead baby.


HIPOCRACY !

The nation's largest abortion provider, Planned Parenthood, reports it received $542 million from government sources in 2011-2012 while performing 995,687 abortions from 2009-2011. In 2011 alone, its clinics performed 333,964 abortions.

Don't start this abortion crap again,Teo. It's settled law.

I never let a broad tell me too shut up yet and I won't now....Open forum...if you can't take the chill go back in the kitchen......wasn't slavery settled law ?

A "broad"???? That's why you have no women friends...not for long anyway. YOU can't get pregnant by virtue of your anatomy. Seaoat is wrong again...there most certainly ARE cases where abortion is the only logical course of action...ectopic pregnancy, various fetal syndromes, the condition of the woman's anatomy...possibly from prior complications of pregnancy...and of course the exceptions in cases of rape or incest. Ironic, isn't it, that no one can touch your guns but you want the government to tell WOMEN what to do with their bodies?

An ectopic pregnancy requires surgery not an abortion....it is a pregnancy that occurs outside of the uterus.

There are some medical reasons for an abortion....but birth control and inconvenience is not a reason to destroy a fetus.

You can classify it any way you want, but it amounts to the same thing where the mother's life is at risk. And I'm the last person who would condone abortion as a birth control method or because a pregnancy would be "inconvenient". I'm not a huge fan of amputations either, but sometimes they're medically necessary. The ONLY reason this subject comes up repeatedly in public debate is that it GETS VOTES from the ultra-religious right wing, who not only want to ban abortion but birth control as well. Let me remind you of the clinic bombing and murders that came about right here in Pensacola...what these people need is counseling, not murder and not bombing. I'm almost 100% certain that I know where the clinic bomb was made, BTW, and, yes, the origin of that idea came from a church.

2seaoat wrote: Seaoat is wrong again.

So I am wrong in my belief that abortions should be avoided unless necessary for the mother's health........and I think that decision should be the mother's and her doctor's decision, not government coming between a mother and her doctor. Some people on this forum have no problem with big government intrusions.....especially if they do not have a uterus.........and on the other hand we have folks who think that abortion is just one more type of birth control.....so if I am wrong.....I am very comfortable in my wrongness.

Watcher wrote:

alecto wrote:

2seaoat wrote:So it is a simple math problem to take away folks constitutional rights?

Folks can keep their constitutional right to have an abortion but where in the constitution does it say the American taxpayer has to pay for it. People want abortions then they should have to pay for it.

Taxpayers do not pay for abortions through Planned Parenthood. This is the law.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/

Dreamsglore wrote:

Watcher wrote:

alecto wrote:

2seaoat wrote:So it is a simple math problem to take away folks constitutional rights?

Folks can keep their constitutional right to have an abortion but where in the constitution does it say the American taxpayer has to pay for it. People want abortions then they should have to pay for it.

Taxpayers do not pay for abortions through Planned Parenthood. This is the law.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/

Thank you.Watcher. You have taken the sail out of their balloons. They'll have to make up different propaganda.

2seaoat wrote:No way! The money for services provided came from the general government funds provided by the tax-payers. One cash drawer.

I do not believe this is correct.....Henry Hyde passed what is called the Hyde amendment.....I have not looked at this for years, but the budgets are audited each year to be in compliance with the law.

2seaoat wrote:So you want big government to ban something......taking freedom which the Supreme Court says is a fundamental right guaranteed by the constitution.....but Mr. Kotter......I do not understand?

There is absolutely no reason for an abortion if folks are responsible, but if you want government to make those private decisions over folks bodies.......well I guess those children in the womb and those in the classroom are not equal, and I can understand your distinction of why banning an assault weapon is unconstitutional, and a woman taking the morning after pill should be charged with murder.......hey.....I guess that is why none of us wear black robes.

Joanimaroni wrote:

2seaoat wrote:No way! The money for services provided came from the general government funds provided by the tax-payers. One cash drawer.

I do not believe this is correct.....Henry Hyde passed what is called the Hyde amendment.....I have not looked at this for years, but the budgets are audited each year to be in compliance with the law.

then where does the funding come from....995,687 abortions is quite expensive.

2seaoat wrote:So long as tax dollars are funding Planned Parenthood the government is involved up to it's neck in making decisions over a persons body.

Planned Parenthood should be run on strictly charitable donations.

My understanding is that they provide women with health care which includes cancer screenings, birth control, and other non abortion services which have sliding scale fees. It is these services which get federal funding. This has been debated extensively in Congress, and as far as I know there has been compliance in the separate operations.

2seaoat wrote:
No....I do not think I said that.....but an intelligent conversation would be a nice thing....what I said is congressional funding is limited to the non abortion services provided by Planned Parenthood, and that the Hyde Amendment does not allow for federally funded abortions. I do not think I said anything about the Affordable Care Act.