Illegal immigrant gets kidney

2seaoat wrote:Once every 25 years.......that equals a kiosk on the border....really? Hyperbole and dogma do not make for policy.....theatrics on Shawn Henessey, but divorced from reality. We offer amnesty for folks who fail to pay taxes.....not because we are after the fact approving of the behavior....no because we want the revenue, and the smart thing is to offer amnesty. However, when we try to do the same smart thing once every 25 years, and somebody actually will say that we have a kiosk at the border.

The fact remains that we have the lowest infiltration of illegals at our borders in over 40 years. That we have put resources on the border, and it is more difficult than ever for folks to come over from Mexico.....but as usual nothing is said about the overstay of visas......which percentage wise is growing faster than folks crossing our borders illegally......but those folks are not mexicans.

In regard to me coming up with some know it all answers.....well yes.....I can parrot bipartisan solutions which have been front and center for the last 10 years, but if you have not listened.....I am not surprised. Probably listening to Fox drum up hate and prejudice.....nothing new.

alecto wrote:

2seaoat wrote:There is no path to citizenship now for an illegal.....without exposing the same person to deportation.....so this idea that they have a path is absurd.

Amnesty proposed by President Reagan was a great success, except it failed to make our borders more secure. Our borders are much better than they were 20 years ago, but we need to give the path.....now. You do not think an illegal will not pay a five thousand dollar fine over five years......you are wrong.......you think that a person will not take a required course.....you are wrong. I was partially involved in the first amnesty program, and I can tell you 100% of the folks I knew who became american citizens took every required step, and have become productive American citizens. The solution is simple......the myth, prejudice, and stupidity is not in short supply, but intelligence is spreading in this country.......the opponents to a path to citizenship will find a rock to return to where they can hide and find pleasure in bringing misery to as many folks as they can....but they are losing their voice in national politics.

I'm beginning to notice a trend with you. Your one of "Those" guys, you know the guy. For every story he has a better one, he has done it all, he has seen it all, he is always the guy with the answer. I know I know you got a plan, amnesty, steep fines, citizen classes, blah blah blah, you sound like a broken old republican elitist record. No I do not think an illegal would pay a $5000 fine over five years and no they would not take a citizenship class because we would not enforce it and they know it. Bottom line your plan or anyone's plan will not work without real consequences and active enforcement. Go to the root of the problem, unscrupulous employers who would rather hire cheap illegal workers than legal workers. That will never happen, immigration reform will never happen. It is a political football kicked by idiots pandering for a vote. America needs illegal immigrants to do the work our limp, lame, and lazy will not do and we are content keeping them in the shadows. Your plan is proof of that. Otherwise open the borders, let them all in, give them social security numbers and be done with it.

Amnesty proposed by Reagan was not considered a success if it was a success it would still be here today. The affirmative defense clause removed sanctions against employers thereby making the bill ineffective. Obama's plan is not much different than Reagans plan. So one has to ask if Reagans plan was "great success" then why is Obama trying to do pretty much the exact same thing? How many more times are we going to play these stupid games thinking it will work. Blanket amnesty, open borders, Kiosk at the border, get a social security number and send them on their way. Welcome to America now pay your taxes!!!

Dreamsglore wrote:I'm glad another human being got a chance to have a better life-illegal or not.
Good for him!

Floridatexan wrote:

alecto wrote:

2seaoat wrote:There is no path to citizenship now for an illegal.....without exposing the same person to deportation.....so this idea that they have a path is absurd.

Amnesty proposed by President Reagan was a great success, except it failed to make our borders more secure. Our borders are much better than they were 20 years ago, but we need to give the path.....now. You do not think an illegal will not pay a five thousand dollar fine over five years......you are wrong.......you think that a person will not take a required course.....you are wrong. I was partially involved in the first amnesty program, and I can tell you 100% of the folks I knew who became american citizens took every required step, and have become productive American citizens. The solution is simple......the myth, prejudice, and stupidity is not in short supply, but intelligence is spreading in this country.......the opponents to a path to citizenship will find a rock to return to where they can hide and find pleasure in bringing misery to as many folks as they can....but they are losing their voice in national politics.

I'm beginning to notice a trend with you. Your one of "Those" guys, you know the guy. For every story he has a better one, he has done it all, he has seen it all, he is always the guy with the answer. I know I know you got a plan, amnesty, steep fines, citizen classes, blah blah blah, you sound like a broken old republican elitist record. No I do not think an illegal would pay a $5000 fine over five years and no they would not take a citizenship class because we would not enforce it and they know it. Bottom line your plan or anyone's plan will not work without real consequences and active enforcement. Go to the root of the problem, unscrupulous employers who would rather hire cheap illegal workers than legal workers. That will never happen, immigration reform will never happen. It is a political football kicked by idiots pandering for a vote. America needs illegal immigrants to do the work our limp, lame, and lazy will not do and we are content keeping them in the shadows. Your plan is proof of that. Otherwise open the borders, let them all in, give them social security numbers and be done with it.

Amnesty proposed by Reagan was not considered a success if it was a success it would still be here today. The affirmative defense clause removed sanctions against employers thereby making the bill ineffective. Obama's plan is not much different than Reagans plan. So one has to ask if Reagans plan was "great success" then why is Obama trying to do pretty much the exact same thing? How many more times are we going to play these stupid games thinking it will work. Blanket amnesty, open borders, Kiosk at the border, get a social security number and send them on their way. Welcome to America now pay your taxes!!!

Seaoat, President Obama reinstated or imposed new penalties for employers of illegal aliens. That's the only way to curb the abuse...and sometimes it really is abuse, because the employers not only get the benefit of cheap labor but push the envelope further and use the illegal status of the immigrant and the fear of deportation to stiff them.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/30/us/politics/30raid.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

"TUCSON — Obama administration officials are sharpening their crackdown on the hiring of illegal immigrants by focusing increasingly tough criminal charges on employers while moving away from criminal arrests of the workers themselves..."

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AND, President Obama increased border security.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/may/10/barack-obama/obama-says-border-patrol-has-doubled-number-agents/

Dreamsglore wrote:
What is it they are given? What is your beef that they get? Free medications that everybody who is poor gets?