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You guys are doing just fine. Thanks
his article is from the National Academy of Sciences Book TO ERR IS HUMAN

Health care is not as safe as it should be. A substantial body of evidence points to medical errors as a leading cause of death and injury.

• Sizable numbers of Americans are harmed as a result of medical errors. Two studies of large samples of hospital admissions, one in New York using 1984 data and another in Colorado and Utah using 1992 data, found that the proportion of hospital admissions experiencing an adverse event, defined as injuries caused by medical management, were 2.9 and 3.7 percent,1 respectively. The proportion of adverse events attributable to errors (i.e., preventable adverse events) was 58 percent in New York, and 53 percent in Colorado and Utah.2

• Preventable adverse events are a leading cause of death in the United States. When extrapolated to the over 33.6 million admi ssions to U.S. hospitals in 1997, the results of these two studies imply that at least 44,000 and perhaps as many as 98,000 Americans die in hospitals each year as a result of medical errors.3 Even when using the lower estimate, deaths in hospitals due to preventable adverse events exceed the number attributable to the 8th-leading cause of death.4 Deaths due to preventable adverse events exceed the deaths attributable to motor vehicle accidents (43,458), breast cancer (42,297) or AIDS (16,516).5



• Total national costs (lost income, lost household production, disability, health care costs) are estimated to be between $37.6 billion and $50 billion for adverse events and between $17 billion and $29 billion for preventable adverse events.6 Health care costs account for over one-half of the total costs. Even when using the lower estimates, the total national costs associated with adverse events and preventable adverse events represent approximately 4 percent and 2 percent, respectively, of national health expenditures in 1996.7 In 1992, the direct and indirect costs of adverse events were slightly higher than the direct and indirect costs of caring for people with HIV and ADS.8

• In terms of lives lost, patient safety is as important an issue as worker safety. Although more than 6,000 Americans die from workplace injuries every year,9,10 in 1993 medication errors are estimated to have accounted for about 7,000 deaths.11 Medication errors account for one out of 131 outpatient deaths and one out of 854 inpatient deaths.

• Medication-related errors occur frequently in hospitals; not all result in actual harm, but those that do are costly. One recent study conducted at two prestigious teaching hospitals found that almost two percent of admissions experienced a preventable adverse drug event, resulting in average increased hospital costs of $4,700 per admission or about $2.8 million annually for a 700-bed teaching hospital.12 If these findings are generalizable, the increased hospital costs alone of preventable adverse drug events affecting inpatients are about $2 billion for the nation as a whole.

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How Many Patients Deaths Are Actually Connected to Medical Malpractice?

The National Patient Safety Foundation declared last week to be Patient Safety Awareness Week. The organization used the occasion to raise community awareness on issues of concern to medical patients. Obviously, our Chicago medical malpractice lawyers understand that virtually everyone would agree that avoiding preventable errors at hospitals and medical centers should be avoided. However, there remains a surprisingly lack of urgency in addressing the problem.
Both a symptom and a cause of this laissez faire attitude is the lack of proper counting of the number of Americans of who die because of preventable medical malpractice. The truth is that we do not fully know the overall scope of medical errors in all contexts. Because inadequate attention has been focused on the issue, resources have not been invested into sufficient tracking of the problem. As a result, less public attention is focused on the overall epidemic. This is a cyclical problem that, in the end, leads to worse patient care for all of us.
A post last week from the Health Affairs Blog emphasized this lack of proper tracking of deaths from medical errors. The post cleverly explores how many of the often used figures seeking to quantify the scope of these errors are actually insufficient.
For example, the Illinois medical malpractice attorneys at our firm have frequently referred to the landmark Institute of Medicine study—To Err is Human—which found that upwards of 98,000 patients die every year from preventable errors and more than one million are injured. However, though it may be hard for some to imagine, these figure actually underestimate the problem. That is because the figure does not account for certain types of errors, like central-line associated bloodstream infections (CLABSIs) in outpatient clinics. A Center for Disease Control and Prevention study found that these infections arise in one out of thirty five consultations—with a fatality rate of 25%. In other words, the Institute of Medicine figures fail to count thousands of preventable deaths.
A more recent study from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) found that 90,000 patients die each year as a result of preventable medical harm in hospital. This effort was a bit more all-encompassing in the types of harm measured—like hospital acquired infections. However, this HHS study only referred to problems in hospitals. Millions of Americans receive treatment (and are harmed) in different settings and so this effort similarly underestimates the trust cost of the problem. Regardless, this HHS study is an important one, because for the first time it included a rigorous method to actually measure not all of these hospital-acquired infections but only those that were actually preventable. In other words, this 90,000 figure is not some number plucked out of the sky based only on counting up infections—it systematically accounts only for those infections which should not have occurred had care standards been met.
At the end of the day, according to this post, there is simply no current measurement of the total amount of preventable harm caused by medical errors in all medical settings. As a result, it is unlikely that the true scope of the problem will be displayed in high-profile terms that might catch the public attention and actually force changes to improve care.

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Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

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hallmarkgrad wrote:How Many Patients Deaths Are Actually Connected to Medical Malpractice?

The National Patient Safety Foundation declared last week to be Patient Safety Awareness Week. The organization used the occasion to raise community awareness on issues of concern to medical patients. Obviously, our Chicago medical malpractice lawyers understand that virtually everyone would agree that avoiding preventable errors at hospitals and medical centers should be avoided. However, there remains a surprisingly lack of urgency in addressing the problem.
Both a symptom and a cause of this laissez faire attitude is the lack of proper counting of the number of Americans of who die because of preventable medical malpractice. The truth is that we do not fully know the overall scope of medical errors in all contexts. Because inadequate attention has been focused on the issue, resources have not been invested into sufficient tracking of the problem. As a result, less public attention is focused on the overall epidemic. This is a cyclical problem that, in the end, leads to worse patient care for all of us.
A post last week from the Health Affairs Blog emphasized this lack of proper tracking of deaths from medical errors. The post cleverly explores how many of the often used figures seeking to quantify the scope of these errors are actually insufficient.
For example, the Illinois medical malpractice attorneys at our firm have frequently referred to the landmark Institute of Medicine study—To Err is Human—which found that upwards of 98,000 patients die every year from preventable errors and more than one million are injured. However, though it may be hard for some to imagine, these figure actually underestimate the problem. That is because the figure does not account for certain types of errors, like central-line associated bloodstream infections (CLABSIs) in outpatient clinics. A Center for Disease Control and Prevention study found that these infections arise in one out of thirty five consultations—with a fatality rate of 25%. In other words, the Institute of Medicine figures fail to count thousands of preventable deaths.
A more recent study from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) found that 90,000 patients die each year as a result of preventable medical harm in hospital. This effort was a bit more all-encompassing in the types of harm measured—like hospital acquired infections. However, this HHS study only referred to problems in hospitals. Millions of Americans receive treatment (and are harmed) in different settings and so this effort similarly underestimates the trust cost of the problem. Regardless, this HHS study is an important one, because for the first time it included a rigorous method to actually measure not all of these hospital-acquired infections but only those that were actually preventable. In other words, this 90,000 figure is not some number plucked out of the sky based only on counting up infections—it systematically accounts only for those infections which should not have occurred had care standards been met.
At the end of the day, according to this post, there is simply no current measurement of the total amount of preventable harm caused by medical errors in all medical settings. As a result, it is unlikely that the true scope of the problem will be displayed in high-profile terms that might catch the public attention and actually force changes to improve care.

You're right, Hallmark. There are countless errors in the medical field and thousands die everyday due to it. Some people never know what they die of. My mother went in for a simple hernia operation and wound up w/ sepsis from them puncturing her esophagus.4 months in intensive care.People get Mersa all the time from the hospital.

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wild_thing wrote:
hallmarkgrad wrote:My My My what a little smart ass. I had a "Monkey" stitch me up on the back of a track at 2 am in the morning while some held a flash light. Did a damn good job, never had a problem. As you can see , People like you are part of the problem, not the solution.



good for you that your monkey could stitch.

Ive had some monkeys too, and they lost specimens, ruined samples and switch samples to different patients. bad Monkeys.

I guess a bad stich wouldnt have killed you. Would you be ok if a monkey lost your biopsy? or perhaps switched a label and gave you another persons blood test results?



I'm not part of the problem.

I AM THE SOLUTION. One of the best actually.

You're also bipolar and need to get some help.They ran you out of Baptist for good reason.

Markle

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Dreamsglore wrote:Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

Not at all. Doctors will leave their practice because of MORE red tape and lower pay schedules. The best and the brightest of Doctors from around the world will go to other countries.

How is that a good thing for our country?

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Markle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

Not at all. Doctors will leave their practice because of MORE red tape and lower pay schedules. The best and the brightest of Doctors from around the world will go to other countries.

How is that a good thing for our country?

You are correct. More doctors will go bankrupt.



and if this hasnt been posted here yet, lets take a look at what the IRS will get to do to your family privacy.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business's entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage -- and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers



Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1

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chrissy8 wrote:
Markle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

Not at all. Doctors will leave their practice because of MORE red tape and lower pay schedules. The best and the brightest of Doctors from around the world will go to other countries.

How is that a good thing for our country?

You are correct. More doctors will go bankrupt.



and if this hasnt been posted here yet, lets take a look at what the IRS will get to do to your family privacy.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business's entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage -- and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers

How fundamentally ignorant are these statements? I mean really? I can't believe you walk and talk at the same time.The IRS gets to know your families income? Are you kidding me?You can't be this stupid? You just can't! How do you think income taxes are paid? Do you know what a W-2 is?How many years have you been paying taxes and you don't know the IRS gets your W-2 info.to assess your taxes? Do you not know everybody who earns income is reported to the IRS? No, insurance companies, govt. agencies and employers do not get to share your info.Why do you post such stupid stuff?
Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1

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Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Markle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

Not at all. Doctors will leave their practice because of MORE red tape and lower pay schedules. The best and the brightest of Doctors from around the world will go to other countries.

How is that a good thing for our country?

You are correct. More doctors will go bankrupt.



and if this hasnt been posted here yet, lets take a look at what the IRS will get to do to your family privacy.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business's entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage -- and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers

How fundamentally ignorant are these statements? I mean really? I can't believe you walk and talk at the same time.The IRS gets to know your families income? Are you kidding me?You can't be this stupid? You just can't! How do you think income taxes are paid? Do you know what a W-2 is?How many years have you been paying taxes and you don't know the IRS gets your W-2 info.to assess your taxes? Do you not know everybody who earns income is reported to the IRS? No, insurance companies, govt. agencies and employers do not get to share your info.Why do you post such stupid stuff?
Read more: [url=http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1
http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1[/quote][/quote[/url]]

so sick of you calling me stupid. youre a stupid social worker.

if you dont understand how this bill now gives the IRS way more intrusion powers then you are the one who is stupid beyond beleif.

and you just made yourself look like a complete idiot because this bill DOES allow the IRS to share your and anyone living in your households income with many other angencies and YOUR EMPLOYER to insure everyone is fullfilling the individual mandate and to INFORCE it.

my god you are a brain dead peice of shit!

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chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Markle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

Not at all. Doctors will leave their practice because of MORE red tape and lower pay schedules. The best and the brightest of Doctors from around the world will go to other countries.

How is that a good thing for our country?

You are correct. More doctors will go bankrupt.



and if this hasnt been posted here yet, lets take a look at what the IRS will get to do to your family privacy.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business's entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage -- and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers

How fundamentally ignorant are these statements? I mean really? I can't believe you walk and talk at the same time.The IRS gets to know your families income? Are you kidding me?You can't be this stupid? You just can't! How do you think income taxes are paid? Do you know what a W-2 is?How many years have you been paying taxes and you don't know the IRS gets your W-2 info.to assess your taxes? Do you not know everybody who earns income is reported to the IRS? No, insurance companies, govt. agencies and employers do not get to share your info.Why do you post such stupid stuff?
Read more: [url=http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1
http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1
[/quote[/url]]

so sick of you calling me stupid. youre a stupid social worker.

if you dont understand how this bill now gives the IRS way more intrusion powers then you are the one who is stupid beyond beleif.

and you just made yourself look like a complete idiot because this bill DOES allow the IRS to share your and anyone living in your households income with many other angencies and YOUR EMPLOYER to insure everyone is fullfilling the individual mandate and to INFORCE it.

my god you are a brain dead peice of shit![/quote]

Again you are one moronic individual. Where in that story does it say the IRS shares your families income w/ your employer? Point that out to me. This is going to come as a shock to you but agencies already share your household income. Do you remember the census? You must share your household income. Medicaid, medicare, foodstamps and AFDC and any federal agency doling out benefits already share your personal income. It is a way to cross check frauders and yes, the IRS will enforce it as it should be. You are dumber than a rock.

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Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Markle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

Not at all. Doctors will leave their practice because of MORE red tape and lower pay schedules. The best and the brightest of Doctors from around the world will go to other countries.

How is that a good thing for our country?

You are correct. More doctors will go bankrupt.



and if this hasnt been posted here yet, lets take a look at what the IRS will get to do to your family privacy.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business's entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage -- and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers

How fundamentally ignorant are these statements? I mean really? I can't believe you walk and talk at the same time.The IRS gets to know your families income? Are you kidding me?You can't be this stupid? You just can't! How do you think income taxes are paid? Do you know what a W-2 is?How many years have you been paying taxes and you don't know the IRS gets your W-2 info.to assess your taxes? Do you not know everybody who earns income is reported to the IRS? No, insurance companies, govt. agencies and employers do not get to share your info.Why do you post such stupid stuff?
Read more:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1
[/quote]

so sick of you calling me stupid. youre a stupid social worker.

if you dont understand how this bill now gives the IRS way more intrusion powers then you are the one who is stupid beyond beleif.

and you just made yourself look like a complete idiot because this bill DOES allow the IRS to share your and anyone living in your households income with many other angencies and YOUR EMPLOYER to insure everyone is fullfilling the individual mandate and to INFORCE it.

my god you are a brain dead peice of shit!

Again you are one moronic individual. Where in that story does it say the IRS shares your families income w/ your employer? Point that out to me. This is going to come as a shock to you but agencies already share your household income. Do you remember the census? You must share your household income. Medicaid, medicare, foodstamps and AFDC and any federal agency doling out benefits already share your personal income. It is a way to cross check frauders and yes, the IRS will enforce it as it should be. You are dumber than a rock.

YOU IGNORANT STUPID FUCKING BITCH!

The GD part I underlined about them sharing this information with your employer was NOT made by me, but the article.

I underlined it, but I didnt pen it.

MY GOD YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON!

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chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Markle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

Not at all. Doctors will leave their practice because of MORE red tape and lower pay schedules. The best and the brightest of Doctors from around the world will go to other countries.

How is that a good thing for our country?

You are correct. More doctors will go bankrupt.



and if this hasnt been posted here yet, lets take a look at what the IRS will get to do to your family privacy.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business's entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage -- and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers

How fundamentally ignorant are these statements? I mean really? I can't believe you walk and talk at the same time.The IRS gets to know your families income? Are you kidding me?You can't be this stupid? You just can't! How do you think income taxes are paid? Do you know what a W-2 is?How many years have you been paying taxes and you don't know the IRS gets your W-2 info.to assess your taxes? Do you not know everybody who earns income is reported to the IRS? No, insurance companies, govt. agencies and employers do not get to share your info.Why do you post such stupid stuff?
Read more:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1
[/quote]

so sick of you calling me stupid. youre a stupid social worker.

if you dont understand how this bill now gives the IRS way more intrusion powers then you are the one who is stupid beyond beleif.

and you just made yourself look like a complete idiot because this bill DOES allow the IRS to share your and anyone living in your households income with many other angencies and YOUR EMPLOYER to insure everyone is fullfilling the individual mandate and to INFORCE it.

my god you are a brain dead peice of shit!

Again you are one moronic individual. Where in that story does it say the IRS shares your families income w/ your employer? Point that out to me. This is going to come as a shock to you but agencies already share your household income. Do you remember the census? You must share your household income. Medicaid, medicare, foodstamps and AFDC and any federal agency doling out benefits already share your personal income. It is a way to cross check frauders and yes, the IRS will enforce it as it should be. You are dumber than a rock.

YOU IGNORANT STUPID FUCKING BITCH!

The GD part I underlined about them sharing this information with your employer was NOT made by me, but the article.

I underlined it, but I didnt pen it.

MY GOD YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON!

Show me where it says your employer gets info. about your families income. Where is that in the article? It says no such thing. You can't read and comprehend either besides not being able to write.

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Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Markle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

Not at all. Doctors will leave their practice because of MORE red tape and lower pay schedules. The best and the brightest of Doctors from around the world will go to other countries.

How is that a good thing for our country?

You are correct. More doctors will go bankrupt.



and if this hasnt been posted here yet, lets take a look at what the IRS will get to do to your family privacy.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business's entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage -- and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers

How fundamentally ignorant are these statements? I mean really? I can't believe you walk and talk at the same time.The IRS gets to know your families income? Are you kidding me?You can't be this stupid? You just can't! How do you think income taxes are paid? Do you know what a W-2 is?How many years have you been paying taxes and you don't know the IRS gets your W-2 info.to assess your taxes? Do you not know everybody who earns income is reported to the IRS? No, insurance companies, govt. agencies and employers do not get to share your info.Why do you post such stupid stuff?
Read more:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1
[/quote]

so sick of you calling me stupid. youre a stupid social worker.

if you dont understand how this bill now gives the IRS way more intrusion powers then you are the one who is stupid beyond beleif.

and you just made yourself look like a complete idiot because this bill DOES allow the IRS to share your and anyone living in your households income with many other angencies and YOUR EMPLOYER to insure everyone is fullfilling the individual mandate and to INFORCE it.

my god you are a brain dead peice of shit!

Again you are one moronic individual. Where in that story does it say the IRS shares your families income w/ your employer? Point that out to me. This is going to come as a shock to you but agencies already share your household income. Do you remember the census? You must share your household income. Medicaid, medicare, foodstamps and AFDC and any federal agency doling out benefits already share your personal income. It is a way to cross check frauders and yes, the IRS will enforce it as it should be. You are dumber than a rock.

YOU IGNORANT STUPID FUCKING BITCH!

The GD part I underlined about them sharing this information with your employer was NOT made by me, but the article.

I underlined it, but I didnt pen it.

MY GOD YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON!

Show me where it says your employer gets info. about your families income. Where is that in the article? It says no such thing. You can't read and comprehend either besides not being able to write.



nice try. you screwed up and now you want to try and add a blip LOL

I already told you, I underlined it and the article is there for you to read.

Thank you for your insult.

NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF!

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chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Markle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

Not at all. Doctors will leave their practice because of MORE red tape and lower pay schedules. The best and the brightest of Doctors from around the world will go to other countries.

How is that a good thing for our country?

You are correct. More doctors will go bankrupt.



and if this hasnt been posted here yet, lets take a look at what the IRS will get to do to your family privacy.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business's entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage -- and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers

How fundamentally ignorant are these statements? I mean really? I can't believe you walk and talk at the same time.The IRS gets to know your families income? Are you kidding me?You can't be this stupid? You just can't! How do you think income taxes are paid? Do you know what a W-2 is?How many years have you been paying taxes and you don't know the IRS gets your W-2 info.to assess your taxes? Do you not know everybody who earns income is reported to the IRS? No, insurance companies, govt. agencies and employers do not get to share your info.Why do you post such stupid stuff?
Read more:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1
[/quote]

so sick of you calling me stupid. youre a stupid social worker.

if you dont understand how this bill now gives the IRS way more intrusion powers then you are the one who is stupid beyond beleif.

and you just made yourself look like a complete idiot because this bill DOES allow the IRS to share your and anyone living in your households income with many other angencies and YOUR EMPLOYER to insure everyone is fullfilling the individual mandate and to INFORCE it.

my god you are a brain dead peice of shit!

Again you are one moronic individual. Where in that story does it say the IRS shares your families income w/ your employer? Point that out to me. This is going to come as a shock to you but agencies already share your household income. Do you remember the census? You must share your household income. Medicaid, medicare, foodstamps and AFDC and any federal agency doling out benefits already share your personal income. It is a way to cross check frauders and yes, the IRS will enforce it as it should be. You are dumber than a rock.

YOU IGNORANT STUPID FUCKING BITCH!

The GD part I underlined about them sharing this information with your employer was NOT made by me, but the article.

I underlined it, but I didnt pen it.

MY GOD YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON!

Show me where it says your employer gets info. about your families income. Where is that in the article? It says no such thing. You can't read and comprehend either besides not being able to write.



nice try. you screwed up and now you want to try and add a blip LOL

I already told you, I underlined it and the article is there for you to read.

Thank you for your insult.

NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF!

There's nothing underlined in the article because the article doesn't say that. Post that-show us where the article says that. I've asked you twice and you come back w/ lies.If the article says that-show it! You can't because you've been caught lying.LOL! You've made a real fool of yourself now.

Guest


Guest

Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Markle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

Not at all. Doctors will leave their practice because of MORE red tape and lower pay schedules. The best and the brightest of Doctors from around the world will go to other countries.

How is that a good thing for our country?

You are correct. More doctors will go bankrupt.



and if this hasnt been posted here yet, lets take a look at what the IRS will get to do to your family privacy.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business's entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage -- and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers

How fundamentally ignorant are these statements? I mean really? I can't believe you walk and talk at the same time.The IRS gets to know your families income? Are you kidding me?You can't be this stupid? You just can't! How do you think income taxes are paid? Do you know what a W-2 is?How many years have you been paying taxes and you don't know the IRS gets your W-2 info.to assess your taxes? Do you not know everybody who earns income is reported to the IRS? No, insurance companies, govt. agencies and employers do not get to share your info.Why do you post such stupid stuff?
Read more:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1
[/quote]

so sick of you calling me stupid. youre a stupid social worker.

if you dont understand how this bill now gives the IRS way more intrusion powers then you are the one who is stupid beyond beleif.

and you just made yourself look like a complete idiot because this bill DOES allow the IRS to share your and anyone living in your households income with many other angencies and YOUR EMPLOYER to insure everyone is fullfilling the individual mandate and to INFORCE it.

my god you are a brain dead peice of shit!

Again you are one moronic individual. Where in that story does it say the IRS shares your families income w/ your employer? Point that out to me. This is going to come as a shock to you but agencies already share your household income. Do you remember the census? You must share your household income. Medicaid, medicare, foodstamps and AFDC and any federal agency doling out benefits already share your personal income. It is a way to cross check frauders and yes, the IRS will enforce it as it should be. You are dumber than a rock.

YOU IGNORANT STUPID FUCKING BITCH!

The GD part I underlined about them sharing this information with your employer was NOT made by me, but the article.

I underlined it, but I didnt pen it.

MY GOD YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON!

Show me where it says your employer gets info. about your families income. Where is that in the article? It says no such thing. You can't read and comprehend either besides not being able to write.



nice try. you screwed up and now you want to try and add a blip LOL

I already told you, I underlined it and the article is there for you to read.

Thank you for your insult.

NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF!

There's nothing underlined in the article because the article doesn't say that. Post that-show us where the article says that. I've asked you twice and you come back w/ lies.If the article says that-show it! You can't because you've been caught lying.LOL! You've made a real fool of yourself now.

Dreams. Please refer to my original post on this thread where i underlined what I said about employers. DO YOU SEE IT?

ok, now go to the article with the link I provided and look within the first couple of paragraphs.

Are you stoned or something? or is this your attempt at humor?

Guest


Guest

chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Markle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

Not at all. Doctors will leave their practice because of MORE red tape and lower pay schedules. The best and the brightest of Doctors from around the world will go to other countries.

How is that a good thing for our country?

You are correct. More doctors will go bankrupt.



and if this hasnt been posted here yet, lets take a look at what the IRS will get to do to your family privacy.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business's entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage -- and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers

How fundamentally ignorant are these statements? I mean really? I can't believe you walk and talk at the same time.The IRS gets to know your families income? Are you kidding me?You can't be this stupid? You just can't! How do you think income taxes are paid? Do you know what a W-2 is?How many years have you been paying taxes and you don't know the IRS gets your W-2 info.to assess your taxes? Do you not know everybody who earns income is reported to the IRS? No, insurance companies, govt. agencies and employers do not get to share your info.Why do you post such stupid stuff?
Read more:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1
[/quote]

so sick of you calling me stupid. youre a stupid social worker.

if you dont understand how this bill now gives the IRS way more intrusion powers then you are the one who is stupid beyond beleif.

and you just made yourself look like a complete idiot because this bill DOES allow the IRS to share your and anyone living in your households income with many other angencies and YOUR EMPLOYER to insure everyone is fullfilling the individual mandate and to INFORCE it.

my god you are a brain dead peice of shit!

Again you are one moronic individual. Where in that story does it say the IRS shares your families income w/ your employer? Point that out to me. This is going to come as a shock to you but agencies already share your household income. Do you remember the census? You must share your household income. Medicaid, medicare, foodstamps and AFDC and any federal agency doling out benefits already share your personal income. It is a way to cross check frauders and yes, the IRS will enforce it as it should be. You are dumber than a rock.

YOU IGNORANT STUPID FUCKING BITCH!

The GD part I underlined about them sharing this information with your employer was NOT made by me, but the article.

I underlined it, but I didnt pen it.

MY GOD YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON!

Show me where it says your employer gets info. about your families income. Where is that in the article? It says no such thing. You can't read and comprehend either besides not being able to write.



nice try. you screwed up and now you want to try and add a blip LOL

I already told you, I underlined it and the article is there for you to read.

Thank you for your insult.

NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF!

There's nothing underlined in the article because the article doesn't say that. Post that-show us where the article says that. I've asked you twice and you come back w/ lies.If the article says that-show it! You can't because you've been caught lying.LOL! You've made a real fool of yourself now.

Dreams. Please refer to my original post on this thread where i underlined what I said about employers. DO YOU SEE IT?

ok, now go to the article with the link I provided and look within the first couple of paragraphs.

Are you stoned or something? or is this your attempt at humor?

It says your personal info.-not your income! Your employer and the IRS already know your income,Dilbert. The article is totally stupid and so are you for posting something so inane. Whoever wrote this article is as stupid as you are.Federal agencies have all this info. Hoe can you be so dense?

Guest


Guest

Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Markle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

Not at all. Doctors will leave their practice because of MORE red tape and lower pay schedules. The best and the brightest of Doctors from around the world will go to other countries.

How is that a good thing for our country?

You are correct. More doctors will go bankrupt.



and if this hasnt been posted here yet, lets take a look at what the IRS will get to do to your family privacy.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business's entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage -- and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers

How fundamentally ignorant are these statements? I mean really? I can't believe you walk and talk at the same time.The IRS gets to know your families income? Are you kidding me?You can't be this stupid? You just can't! How do you think income taxes are paid? Do you know what a W-2 is?How many years have you been paying taxes and you don't know the IRS gets your W-2 info.to assess your taxes? Do you not know everybody who earns income is reported to the IRS? No, insurance companies, govt. agencies and employers do not get to share your info.Why do you post such stupid stuff?
Read more:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1
[/quote]

so sick of you calling me stupid. youre a stupid social worker.

if you dont understand how this bill now gives the IRS way more intrusion powers then you are the one who is stupid beyond beleif.

and you just made yourself look like a complete idiot because this bill DOES allow the IRS to share your and anyone living in your households income with many other angencies and YOUR EMPLOYER to insure everyone is fullfilling the individual mandate and to INFORCE it.

my god you are a brain dead peice of shit!

Again you are one moronic individual. Where in that story does it say the IRS shares your families income w/ your employer? Point that out to me. This is going to come as a shock to you but agencies already share your household income. Do you remember the census? You must share your household income. Medicaid, medicare, foodstamps and AFDC and any federal agency doling out benefits already share your personal income. It is a way to cross check frauders and yes, the IRS will enforce it as it should be. You are dumber than a rock.

YOU IGNORANT STUPID FUCKING BITCH!

The GD part I underlined about them sharing this information with your employer was NOT made by me, but the article.

I underlined it, but I didnt pen it.

MY GOD YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON!

Show me where it says your employer gets info. about your families income. Where is that in the article? It says no such thing. You can't read and comprehend either besides not being able to write.



nice try. you screwed up and now you want to try and add a blip LOL

I already told you, I underlined it and the article is there for you to read.

Thank you for your insult.

NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF!

There's nothing underlined in the article because the article doesn't say that. Post that-show us where the article says that. I've asked you twice and you come back w/ lies.If the article says that-show it! You can't because you've been caught lying.LOL! You've made a real fool of yourself now.

Dreams. Please refer to my original post on this thread where i underlined what I said about employers. DO YOU SEE IT?

ok, now go to the article with the link I provided and look within the first couple of paragraphs.

Are you stoned or something? or is this your attempt at humor?

It says your personal info.-not your income! Your employer and the IRS already know your income,Dilbert. The article is totally stupid and so are you for posting something so inane. Whoever wrote this article is as stupid as you are.Federal agencies have all this info. Hoe can you be so dense?

I'd appreciate if you would not call me a hoe.

I'm stupid, now the writer of the article is stupid. everybody is stupid but you.

Have a good day.

Guest


Guest

moron with a low IQ wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Markle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

Not at all. Doctors will leave their practice because of MORE red tape and lower pay schedules. The best and the brightest of Doctors from around the world will go to other countries.

How is that a good thing for our country?

You are correct. More doctors will go bankrupt.



and if this hasnt been posted here yet, lets take a look at what the IRS will get to do to your family privacy.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business's entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage -- and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers

How fundamentally ignorant are these statements? I mean really? I can't believe you walk and talk at the same time.The IRS gets to know your families income? Are you kidding me?You can't be this stupid? You just can't! How do you think income taxes are paid? Do you know what a W-2 is?How many years have you been paying taxes and you don't know the IRS gets your W-2 info.to assess your taxes? Do you not know everybody who earns income is reported to the IRS? No, insurance companies, govt. agencies and employers do not get to share your info.Why do you post such stupid stuff?
Read more:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1
[/quote]

so sick of you calling me stupid. youre a stupid social worker.

if you dont understand how this bill now gives the IRS way more intrusion powers then you are the one who is stupid beyond beleif.

and you just made yourself look like a complete idiot because this bill DOES allow the IRS to share your and anyone living in your households income with many other angencies and YOUR EMPLOYER to insure everyone is fullfilling the individual mandate and to INFORCE it.

my god you are a brain dead peice of shit!

Again you are one moronic individual. Where in that story does it say the IRS shares your families income w/ your employer? Point that out to me. This is going to come as a shock to you but agencies already share your household income. Do you remember the census? You must share your household income. Medicaid, medicare, foodstamps and AFDC and any federal agency doling out benefits already share your personal income. It is a way to cross check frauders and yes, the IRS will enforce it as it should be. You are dumber than a rock.

YOU IGNORANT STUPID FUCKING BITCH!

The GD part I underlined about them sharing this information with your employer was NOT made by me, but the article.

I underlined it, but I didnt pen it.

MY GOD YOU ARE A FUCKING MORON!

Show me where it says your employer gets info. about your families income. Where is that in the article? It says no such thing. You can't read and comprehend either besides not being able to write.



nice try. you screwed up and now you want to try and add a blip LOL

I already told you, I underlined it and the article is there for you to read.

Thank you for your insult.

NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF!

There's nothing underlined in the article because the article doesn't say that. Post that-show us where the article says that. I've asked you twice and you come back w/ lies.If the article says that-show it! You can't because you've been caught lying.LOL! You've made a real fool of yourself now.

Dreams. Please refer to my original post on this thread where i underlined what I said about employers. DO YOU SEE IT?

ok, now go to the article with the link I provided and look within the first couple of paragraphs.

Are you stoned or something? or is this your attempt at humor?

It says your personal info.-not your income! Your employer and the IRS already know your income,Dilbert. The article is totally stupid and so are you for posting something so inane. Whoever wrote this article is as stupid as you are.Federal agencies have all this info. Hoe can you be so dense?

I'd appreciate if you would not call me a hoe.

I'm stupid, now the writer of the article is stupid. everybody is stupid but you.

Have a good day.
No, everybody isn't stupid.You,however,are not all there. I know that so I need to cut you some slack. The stuff you write and the things you think are funny are not in line w/ your age. Immature stuff. I'm not sure if you have a personality disorder or are bipolar but you are definitely lacking in the mental health area which affects the perception of your intelligence.

Markle

Markle

Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Markle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

Not at all. Doctors will leave their practice because of MORE red tape and lower pay schedules. The best and the brightest of Doctors from around the world will go to other countries.

How is that a good thing for our country?

You are correct. More doctors will go bankrupt.



and if this hasnt been posted here yet, lets take a look at what the IRS will get to do to your family privacy.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business's entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage -- and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers

How fundamentally ignorant are these statements? I mean really? I can't believe you walk and talk at the same time.The IRS gets to know your families income? Are you kidding me?You can't be this stupid? You just can't! How do you think income taxes are paid? Do you know what a W-2 is?How many years have you been paying taxes and you don't know the IRS gets your W-2 info.to assess your taxes? Do you not know everybody who earns income is reported to the IRS? No, insurance companies, govt. agencies and employers do not get to share your info.Why do you post such stupid stuff?
Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1

You really need to do a bit of research before posting.

Under ObamaCare the IRS will make the determination if your health insurance meets THEIR CRITERIA. They will have all the information about your health and that will be available to any agency which requests access. That will be at the direction of the SECRETARY. The vast majority of ObamaCare is not in the 2,000+ pages of whatever they want it to mean, but any decisions are left, not to legislation but to the SECRETARY.

ObamaCare puts the IRS in charge of your health care and for anyone to see.

Slicef18

Slicef18

Markle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:
chrissy8 wrote:
Markle wrote:
Dreamsglore wrote:Good God Almighty! Some idiots act like a herd of people are going to be busting through the Dr.s doors trying to get healthcare of all of a sudden.There is a going to be a huge stampede and all the Dr.s are going to quit because they can't handle all of it. If you listen to the morons,you become a moron.

Not at all. Doctors will leave their practice because of MORE red tape and lower pay schedules. The best and the brightest of Doctors from around the world will go to other countries.

How is that a good thing for our country?

You are correct. More doctors will go bankrupt.



and if this hasnt been posted here yet, lets take a look at what the IRS will get to do to your family privacy.

The IRS now gets to know about a small business's entire payroll, the level of their insurance coverage -- and it gets to know the income of not just the primary breadwinner in your house, but your entire family’s income, in order to assess/collect the mandated tax.

Plus, it gets to share your personal info with all sorts of government agencies, insurance companies and employers

How fundamentally ignorant are these statements? I mean really? I can't believe you walk and talk at the same time.The IRS gets to know your families income? Are you kidding me?You can't be this stupid? You just can't! How do you think income taxes are paid? Do you know what a W-2 is?How many years have you been paying taxes and you don't know the IRS gets your W-2 info.to assess your taxes? Do you not know everybody who earns income is reported to the IRS? No, insurance companies, govt. agencies and employers do not get to share your info.Why do you post such stupid stuff?
Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/06/29/scotus-ruling-means-bigger-more-intrusive-irs/?intcmp=obnetwork#ixzz1zHsro8d1

You really need to do a bit of research before posting.

Under ObamaCare the IRS will make the determination if your health insurance meets THEIR CRITERIA. They will have all the information about your health and that will be available to any agency which requests access. That will be at the direction of the SECRETARY. The vast majority of ObamaCare is not in the 2,000+ pages of whatever they want it to mean, but any decisions are left, not to legislation but to the SECRETARY.

ObamaCare puts the IRS in charge of your health care and for anyone to see.

Any facts between this statement and the truth is coincidental. Simply put, it is false information. For the real facts about this go to the most reliable unbiased information gathering organization on the internet. Fact Checked.
http://factcheck.org/2010/03/irs-expansion/

Q: Will the IRS hire 16,500 new agents to enforce the health care law?

A: No. The law requires the IRS mostly to hand out tax credits, not collect penalties. The claim of 16,500 new agents stems from a partisan analysis based on guesswork and false assumptions, and compounded by outright misrepresentation.
The IRS’ main job under the new law isn’t to enforce penalties. Its first task is to inform many small-business owners of a new tax credit that the new law grants them — starting this year — which will pay up to 35 percent of the employer’s contribution toward their workers’ health insurance. And in 2014 the IRS will also be administering additional subsidies — in the form of refundable tax credits — to help millions of low- and middle-income individuals buy health insurance.
Not content to turn all IRS "employees" into "agents," one Republican lawmaker even claimed they all would have guns. In a March 22 interview with Fox Business anchor David Asmam, Rep. Ron Paul said, "Just think about it — 16,500 armed bureaucrats coming to make this program work." Rep. Paul’s wildly false claim appears 3 minutes and 51 seconds into the interview, which Fox posted on YouTube.

In fact, the only IRS employees who are authorized to carry firearms are "special agents," who are sworn law enforcement officers who work on criminal cases. As of last year there were only 2,725 of those, making up just under 3 percent of all IRS employees. So even if thousands of new IRS workers were actually hired, very few of them, if any, would be "armed bureaucrats."

In fact, as previously mentioned, the bill signed into law specifically waives any criminal penalties for individuals who refuse to obtain coverage and also refuse to pay the tax. It says (on page 131): "In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure."

Guest


Guest

Slicef18 wrote: Any facts between this statement and the truth is coincidental. Simply put, it is false information. For the real facts about this go to the most reliable unbiased information gathering organization on the internet. Fact Checked.
http://factcheck.org/2010/03/irs-expansion/

Q: Will the IRS hire 16,500 new agents to enforce the health care law?

A: No. The law requires the IRS mostly to hand out tax credits, not collect penalties. The claim of 16,500 new agents stems from a partisan analysis based on guesswork and false assumptions, and compounded by outright misrepresentation.
The IRS’ main job under the new law isn’t to enforce penalties. Its first task is to inform many small-business owners of a new tax credit that the new law grants them — starting this year — which will pay up to 35 percent of the employer’s contribution toward their workers’ health insurance. And in 2014 the IRS will also be administering additional subsidies — in the form of refundable tax credits — to help millions of low- and middle-income individuals buy health insurance.
Not content to turn all IRS "employees" into "agents," one Republican lawmaker even claimed they all would have guns. In a March 22 interview with Fox Business anchor David Asmam, Rep. Ron Paul said, "Just think about it — 16,500 armed bureaucrats coming to make this program work." Rep. Paul’s wildly false claim appears 3 minutes and 51 seconds into the interview, which Fox posted on YouTube.

In fact, the only IRS employees who are authorized to carry firearms are "special agents," who are sworn law enforcement officers who work on criminal cases. As of last year there were only 2,725 of those, making up just under 3 percent of all IRS employees. So even if thousands of new IRS workers were actually hired, very few of them, if any, would be "armed bureaucrats."

In fact, as previously mentioned, the bill signed into law specifically waives any criminal penalties for individuals who refuse to obtain coverage and also refuse to pay the tax. It says (on page 131): "In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure."

Slice this post is a breath of fresh air compared to the ramblings of the previous posts. I would be willing to bet that at least one of those that are arguing has not even read the Affordable Healthcare Act, but she thinks she knows what it contains.

While I am not in agreement with most of ObamaCare, I am somewhat amused by all the scare tactics that people are espousing. All that makes for some very entertaining reading.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/30/us/3-businessmen-testify-of-armed-raids-by-irs.html?_r=1


Three businessmen told the Senate Finance Committee today of Internal Revenue Service agents who, with guns drawn, broke down doors, terrified workers and forced teen-age girls to change clothes in front of male agents in raids at the men's homes and businesses that they said were unnecessary.

These aggressive paramilitary tactics were denounced as intolerable and ''fascist'' by Democratic and Republican senators as the panel heard testimony for a second day in its second round of hearings on I.R.S. abuses of taxpayers.

You limp wristed government worshippers astound me...

Guest


Guest

Hey, at least this will help the unemployment rate.

Guest


Guest

Slicef18 wrote:In fact, as previously mentioned, the bill signed into law specifically waives any criminal penalties for individuals who refuse to obtain coverage and also refuse to pay the tax. It says (on page 131): "In the case of any failure by a taxpayer to timely pay any penalty imposed by this section, such taxpayer shall not be subject to any criminal prosecution or penalty with respect to such failure."

Does the bill prevent CIVIL penalties, interest on penalties, garnishments, and property forfeiture?

I'm no lawyer... just wondering.

Guest


Guest

TEOTWAWKI wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/1998/04/30/us/3-businessmen-testify-of-armed-raids-by-irs.html?_r=1


Three businessmen told the Senate Finance Committee today of Internal Revenue Service agents who, with guns drawn, broke down doors, terrified workers and forced teen-age girls to change clothes in front of male agents in raids at the men's homes and businesses that they said were unnecessary.

These aggressive paramilitary tactics were denounced as intolerable and ''fascist'' by Democratic and Republican senators as the panel heard testimony for a second day in its second round of hearings on I.R.S. abuses of taxpayers.

You limp wristed government worshippers astound me...


Just how does the example that you just quoted related to the topic that the IRS will hire thousands with guns to enforce OBama Care?

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