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What If the Whole Scary Long Term Deficits Which Will Crush Our Children and Grandchildren Story is BS?

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Floridatexan
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Sal

Sal

It's a scam by our plutocratic overlords to steal middle-class American's entitlements ...

The gang for gutting Social Security and Medicare (aka “The Campaign to Fix the Debt”) are running in high gear. During the long election campaign they gathered dollars, corporate CEOs and washed up politicians for a full-fledged push in the final months of the year. They are hoping that the hype around the budget standoff (aka “fiscal cliff”) can be used for a grand bargain that eviscerates the country’s two most important social programs, Social Security and Medicare.

They made a point of keeping this plan out of election year politics because they know it is a huge loser with the electorate. People across the political and ideological spectrums strongly support these programs and are opposed to cuts. Politicians who advocated cuts would have been likely losers on Election Day. But now that the voters are out of the way, the Wall Street gang and the CEOs see their opportunity.

It is especially important that they act now, because one of the pillars of their deficit horror story could be collapsing. Due to a sharp slowing in the rise of health care costs over the last four years, the assumption that exploding health care costs would lead to unfathomable deficits may no longer be plausible even to people in high level policy positions.


As we all know, the large budget deficits of the last four years are entirely due to the economic downturn caused by the collapse of the housing bubble. The budget deficit was slightly over 1.0 percent of GDP in 2007 and the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projections showed it remaining low for the near-term future. The origin of the large deficits of the last few years is not a debatable point among serious people, even though talk of “trillion dollar deficits, with a ‘t’” is very good for scaring the children.

However, the big stick for the deficit hawks was their story of huge deficits in the longer term. They attributed these to the rising cost of “entitlements,” which are known to the rest of us as Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.

While they like to push the notion that the aging of the population threatened to impose an unbearable burden on future generations, the reality is that most of the horror story of huge deficits was driven by projections of exploding private sector health care costs. Since Medicare and Medicaid mostly pay for private sector health care, an explosion in private sector health care costs would eventually make these programs unaffordable.

As some of us have long pointed out, there are serious grounds for questioning the plausibility of projections that the health care sector would rise to 30 or 40 percent of GDP over the rest of the century. Recently a paper from the Federal Reserve Board documented this argument in considerable detail.

Even more important than the professional argument over health care cost projections is the recent trend in health care costs. While the CBO projections assume that age-adjusted health care costs rise considerably more rapidly than per capita income, in the last four years they have been roughly keeping pace with per capita income.

In fact, in the last year nominal spending on health care services, the sector that comprises almost two-thirds of health care costs, rose by just 1.7 percent. This is far below the rate of nominal GDP growth over this period, which was more than 4.0 percent.
While at least some of this slowing in health care costs is undoubtedly due to the downturn, it is hard to believe that it is not at least partially attributable to a slower underlying rate of health care cost growth.

CBO and other budget forecasters can ignore economic reality for a period of time (they ignored the housing bubble until after its collapse wrecked the economy), but if it continues, at some point they will have to incorporate the trend of slower health care cost growth into their projections. When this happens, the really scary long-term deficit numbers will disappear.

A projection that assumes that health care costs will only rise as a result of the aging of the population, and otherwise move in step with per capita income, will lop tens of trillions of dollars off the most commonly cited long-term deficit projections. It would cost some deficit hawks, like National Public Radio, more than $100 trillion of their long-term deficit story. This would be a real disaster for the deficit hawk industry.

This is why the Campaign to Fix the Debt and the rest of the deficit hawk industry will be operating at full speed at least until a budget deal is reached over the current impasse. If CBO adjusts its long-term health care cost projections downward then their whole rationale for gutting Social Security and Medicare will disappear. Now that is really a crisis.


http://www.cepr.net/index.php/op-eds-&-columns/op-eds-&-columns/the-crisis-of-the-deficit-crisis-mongers

gulfbeachbandit

gulfbeachbandit

I quit reading at "entitlements".
I believe you are only entitled to what you can buy with the money that you worked for. Nothing more. And maybe some spriritual enlightenment.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Ghandi_is_my_bitch wrote: People across the political and ideological spectrums strongly support these programs and are opposed to cuts.
Of course they are. They all want to keep living beyond their means. They all want the government to keep living beyond it's means. Because they all still think they're living in the same America they lived in for the 50 years after WW2.
All they have to do is max out their credit cards and max out the government credit card and when that all that plays out they want the government to print worthless money to pay the tab.
And as long as that's the case the politicians will keep doing exactly what the people want.

Sal

Sal

Solving non-existent problems while avoiding real ones is the new American way.

Let's just ignore the fact that we still have 7.9% unemployment and exploding poverty and rampant homelessness.

Austerity!

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boards of FL

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Hospital Bob

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Ghandi_is_my_bitch wrote:Solving non-existent problems while avoiding real ones is the new American way.

Let's just ignore the fact that we still have 7.9% unemployment and exploding poverty and rampant homelessness.

Austerity!
spoken like a true greek
lol

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Ghandi_is_my_bitch wrote:Solving non-existent problems while avoiding real ones is the new American way.

Let's just ignore the fact that we still have 7.9% unemployment and exploding poverty and rampant homelessness.

Austerity!
spoken like a true greek
lol

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boards of FL wrote:
Damaged Eagle wrote:
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I don't always *****CHUCKLE*****.

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Ghandi_is_my_bitch wrote:Solving non-existent problems while avoiding real ones is the new American way.

Let's just ignore the fact that we still have 7.9% unemployment and exploding poverty and rampant homelessness.

Austerity!

It's scary how many examples of our path you have to ignore to believe our fiscal circumstances are non-existent.

Greece, Portugal, Spain, Japan, California... etc.

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Ghandi_is_my_bitch wrote:Solving non-existent problems while avoiding real ones is the new American way.

Let's just ignore the fact that we still have 7.9% unemployment and exploding poverty and rampant homelessness.

Austerity!

What If the Whole Scary Long Term Deficits Which Will Crush Our Children and Grandchildren Story is BS? Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSPBxbr22QwbPhhHbwEsQqWneBDtKO3baim6p428WZ1-GdNl5me

Expanding and increasing the government entitlements by taking away money from the people that do work, until the business cuts back on their job because of the increasing tax base, is going to solve all this right?

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PkrBum wrote:
Ghandi_is_my_bitch wrote:Solving non-existent problems while avoiding real ones is the new American way.

Let's just ignore the fact that we still have 7.9% unemployment and exploding poverty and rampant homelessness.

Austerity!

It's scary how many examples of our path you have to ignore to believe our fiscal circumstances are non-existent.

Greece, Portugal, Spain, Japan, California... etc.

What If the Whole Scary Long Term Deficits Which Will Crush Our Children and Grandchildren Story is BS? Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTBvtHPk9Ld6rt88hA8CDKVEE7MTIvVVXOjJZcLFy_Uwb1tH-0f

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Isn't California one of the states sited by Boards as providing more taxes than they sponge in entitlements in some other threads?

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It's still spending more than you bring in... although that may now be considered a mystical concept.

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PkrBum wrote:It's still spending more than you bring in... although that may now be considered a mystical concept.

What If the Whole Scary Long Term Deficits Which Will Crush Our Children and Grandchildren Story is BS? Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ2vaWzemFj3Q49TOTmO5F6gVXPyo2IveAH11YuQ_bU9ZiSGJXmtQ

Of course! Isn't it wonderful what the government can do without setting a budget?

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Sal

Sal

We aren't Spain or Portugal or Greece, for gawd's sake. There are more differences than similarities between our situation and theirs.

Japan, while different in many respects, would represent the closest comparison, and if we choose the path of austerity the Repukes favor, we will come to look at their lost decade with envy.

As for California, we'd be truly fucked without them.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Damaged Eagle wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
Damaged Eagle wrote:
*****CHUCKLE*****

If you just add ******CHUCKLE****** as a signature you won't have to type it every time.

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I don't always *****CHUCKLE*****.

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That makes you a chucklehead.

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Floridatexan wrote:That makes you a chucklehead.


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Yeah I know you want some of this. But can you scream and give out a...

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Ghandi_is_my_bitch wrote:We aren't Spain or Portugal or Greece, for gawd's sake. There are more differences than similarities between our situation and theirs.

Japan, while different in many respects, would represent the closest comparison, and if we choose the path of austerity the Repukes favor, we will come to look at their lost decade with envy.

As for California, we'd be truly fucked without them.

What If the Whole Scary Long Term Deficits Which Will Crush Our Children and Grandchildren Story is BS? Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRauPY6ksT05BE9OzpG-mW1AM-k1sjxFA1Kvjhenpzylkhc937ssg

There's lots of similarities between what we're doing and those European countries.

It must be something to see the world through those rose tinted glasses all the time.

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20What If the Whole Scary Long Term Deficits Which Will Crush Our Children and Grandchildren Story is BS? Empty Just for starters.... 11/15/2012, 9:29 am

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Free up Social Security to allow people to invest on their own. Fewer dependent in old age.

Eliminate the Departments of Energy and Education for starters. States do a better job of education period and have never even heard of the word "pedagogy".

Get rid of all health insurance except catastrophic.

Make it illegal for attorneys to run for political office.

Tax breaks for people saving to educate their children.

Make lobbies illegal.

Reduce the budget by half and yes, active and reserve military are going to have to feel the pinch like everyone else.

Put all government workers on a four day work week and reduce their pay by 20%.

Double gasoline tax, quadruple sin tax.

Tax internet sales.

Make smokers, drinkers and drug users pay double for health insurance.

Give tax breaks to organizations trying to help the unemployed when people actually return to work.

Reduce taxes, licensing fees, etc. for small businesses. Give them revenue tax breaks for offering health care policies to workers. Tax only the bottom line.

No more tax-free income for people working abroad.





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ZVUGKTUBM

It isn't BS. That is why many wish Ron Paul could have been the Republican nominee. Too many so-called "conservatives" have a love-affair with Big Government--the side of Big Government that favors large military expenditures, warfare around the world, and corporate subsidies. There is nothing conservative about any of that. True conservatives would use their scalpel on the whole tumor, not just half of it.

A Ron Paul/Gary Johnson GOP ticket would have made last week's election much closer, if not victorious. But faux-conservatives on this forum and elsewhere were too in love with Romney's plan to double-down on military spending and make it bigger than it is already, along with all of the other gimmicks R/R purveyed, which lead to the big GOP slap-down of November 6th, 2012.

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NaNook

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Soleil wrote:Free up Social Security to allow people to invest on their own. Fewer dependent in old age.

Eliminate the Departments of Energy and Education for starters. States do a better job of education period and have never even heard of the word "pedagogy".

Get rid of all health insurance except catastrophic.

Make it illegal for attorneys to run for political office.

Tax breaks for people saving to educate their children.

Make lobbies illegal.

Reduce the budget by half and yes, active and reserve military are going to have to feel the pinch like everyone else.

Put all government workers on a four day work week and reduce their pay by 20%.

Double gasoline tax, quadruple sin tax.

Tax internet sales.

Make smokers, drinkers and drug users pay double for health insurance.

Give tax breaks to organizations trying to help the unemployed when people actually return to work.

Reduce taxes, licensing fees, etc. for small businesses. Give them revenue tax breaks for offering health care policies to workers. Tax only the bottom line.

No more tax-free income for people working abroad.

You forgot to mention a national 5% sales tax dedicated to reduce the national debt. You forgot to mention a 20% expense allowance for elected officials which is not taxed by the IRS for individuals. Why is Hillary taking so many people to Aust.? I'm paying income taxes to New Zealand for the last 2 years.

Bill Clinton's last trip costs how much? He went to Africa, was it 300 MILLION DOLLARS? Tell me, I'm sick of abuse, why, I ask?





Bluebonnet



The Africa trip was 42.8M. Absurd

NaNook

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Soleil wrote:The Africa trip was 42.8M. Absurd

I understand....

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