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26I must specify a topic - Page 2 Empty Re: I must specify a topic 10/25/2012, 4:47 pm

nadalfan



Nekochan wrote:
nadalfan wrote:
Nekochan wrote:
nadalfan wrote:
Nekochan wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-focus-equal-pay-issue-while-obama-white-051807703.html

Government records show that despite the Democratic National Convention’s early focus on salary equality for women, President Barack Obama has consistently paid his own female staffers less than men who perform similar or identical duties.....
Unfortunately, all I could find is conservative websites saying that they get paid less and liberal websites stating the statistics are flawed based on the methodology used to compare salaries.
The president doesn't set the salaries though, these are based on pay grades like any government job.
However, statistics show that women still get paid less for the same job. There is some controversy as to whether it is as low as 77cents to the dollar or more like 85.

Yahoo is conservative?

You are apparently wrong about the WH Staff pay. The White House staff do not seem to be on a pay grade like other federal jobs. Some of his staff have gotten raises amounting to 80%++ (seems men have gotten the largest raises)--this does not happen on the federal pay scale. At any rate, even if you are correct about them being on a pay scale, why did Obama not make an effort to find women to fill more of the positions with higher pay and higher responsibility? You're trying to let Obama off the hook, but I think you're not doing so well with that.

Here is an article about Obama's Staff pay:

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/tait-trussell/lavish-pay-raises-for-obama-staffers/
Anyone qualified to work in any White House must have some ability. But the generous compensation is taken from “suffering American taxpayers,” as the NewAmerican.com put it in a July 12 story. The raises were for the 2010-2011 year.

The 82 percent raise to $130,500 for the special assistant to the president for economic policy, Matthew Vogel, must be universally applauded. Any aide involved with economic policy surely is worthy of generous monetary recognition. Who could possibly question whatever sound economic counsel Vogel must be providing to the president. He has helped hold the current interest on the national debt to a mere $386 billion for fiscal 2011. He must be one of Obama’s real belt-tighteners.

He couldn’t be as cold-hearted as, say, Jeffrey Immelt, head of the President’s Jobs Council, who laughed heartily with Obama when Obama admitted recently that there apparently weren’t as many shovel-ready jobs available as he once thought. If that isn’t good for a guffaw, what is?

When Obama first came into office, he froze the pay of his senior staff at $100,000. Maybe that amount of pay seemed frugal to him, even though millions of Americans had no pay at all.

Now when there is so much money in the federal Treasury and a national debt of only $14.3 trillion, Obama must feel he can spread the money around even at the White House, harking back to the time in his early campaigning when he told Joe the Plumber how he wanted to “spread the wealth around.”

And there’s the director of African media. Kevin Lewis, among the pay-hike recipients. His 86 percent salary boost to $78,000 certainly shows that although Obama billed himself as a “post-racial” president it may surprise some that there is even a need for a director of African American media. All races in the news media get the same twisted spin from the White House. But the black vote is essential for re-election. So, the African American media certainly can’t be denied a “director” in the White House.

The Yahoo article was from The Daily Caller and your other article is also from a conservative site. I don't put a lot of weight on partisan sites, BOTH ways. However, I'm sure if there were any substance to all of this, Republican politicians would have jumped on it, don't you think? Especially if they are going after the female vote.

Anyways, my post was about equal pay for equal work, not Obama. I assume you don't want to address that.

LOL, you've been shown that:
1. On average, Obama pays male staff members more than female staff. This is not in dispute. Why didn't he hire females for more of those higher paying positions?
2. Obama sets the pay of some White House staff. This is not in dispute.

Now you're trying to get the subject off of Obama. Surprise, surprise. Of course, I think a woman who does the very same job, who has the very same experience, who works the very same hours, under the same conditions and requirements--should be paid equal to what a man is paid. Tell it to Obama, though. He's the one who needs to be caught up to date on this subject.

On another note, I do not believe that the government should dictate pay for private businesses.

I never wanted to get on the subject of Obama, you did. Maybe he just doesn't have "binders full of women" to pull from Smile

Regarding equal pay, I sure hope that your daughter is treated fairly throughout her career and doesn't need any government intervention like so many other women have. It would be nice if we could trust all businesses and organizations to do what is ethical. Sadly, that's not always the case.

27I must specify a topic - Page 2 Empty Re: I must specify a topic 10/25/2012, 5:01 pm

Nekochan

Nekochan

nadalfan wrote:
Nekochan wrote:
nadalfan wrote:
Nekochan wrote:
nadalfan wrote:
Nekochan wrote:http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-focus-equal-pay-issue-while-obama-white-051807703.html

Government records show that despite the Democratic National Convention’s early focus on salary equality for women, President Barack Obama has consistently paid his own female staffers less than men who perform similar or identical duties.....
Unfortunately, all I could find is conservative websites saying that they get paid less and liberal websites stating the statistics are flawed based on the methodology used to compare salaries.
The president doesn't set the salaries though, these are based on pay grades like any government job.
However, statistics show that women still get paid less for the same job. There is some controversy as to whether it is as low as 77cents to the dollar or more like 85.

Yahoo is conservative?

You are apparently wrong about the WH Staff pay. The White House staff do not seem to be on a pay grade like other federal jobs. Some of his staff have gotten raises amounting to 80%++ (seems men have gotten the largest raises)--this does not happen on the federal pay scale. At any rate, even if you are correct about them being on a pay scale, why did Obama not make an effort to find women to fill more of the positions with higher pay and higher responsibility? You're trying to let Obama off the hook, but I think you're not doing so well with that.

Here is an article about Obama's Staff pay:

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/tait-trussell/lavish-pay-raises-for-obama-staffers/
Anyone qualified to work in any White House must have some ability. But the generous compensation is taken from “suffering American taxpayers,” as the NewAmerican.com put it in a July 12 story. The raises were for the 2010-2011 year.

The 82 percent raise to $130,500 for the special assistant to the president for economic policy, Matthew Vogel, must be universally applauded. Any aide involved with economic policy surely is worthy of generous monetary recognition. Who could possibly question whatever sound economic counsel Vogel must be providing to the president. He has helped hold the current interest on the national debt to a mere $386 billion for fiscal 2011. He must be one of Obama’s real belt-tighteners.

He couldn’t be as cold-hearted as, say, Jeffrey Immelt, head of the President’s Jobs Council, who laughed heartily with Obama when Obama admitted recently that there apparently weren’t as many shovel-ready jobs available as he once thought. If that isn’t good for a guffaw, what is?

When Obama first came into office, he froze the pay of his senior staff at $100,000. Maybe that amount of pay seemed frugal to him, even though millions of Americans had no pay at all.

Now when there is so much money in the federal Treasury and a national debt of only $14.3 trillion, Obama must feel he can spread the money around even at the White House, harking back to the time in his early campaigning when he told Joe the Plumber how he wanted to “spread the wealth around.”

And there’s the director of African media. Kevin Lewis, among the pay-hike recipients. His 86 percent salary boost to $78,000 certainly shows that although Obama billed himself as a “post-racial” president it may surprise some that there is even a need for a director of African American media. All races in the news media get the same twisted spin from the White House. But the black vote is essential for re-election. So, the African American media certainly can’t be denied a “director” in the White House.

The Yahoo article was from The Daily Caller and your other article is also from a conservative site. I don't put a lot of weight on partisan sites, BOTH ways. However, I'm sure if there were any substance to all of this, Republican politicians would have jumped on it, don't you think? Especially if they are going after the female vote.

Anyways, my post was about equal pay for equal work, not Obama. I assume you don't want to address that.

LOL, you've been shown that:
1. On average, Obama pays male staff members more than female staff. This is not in dispute. Why didn't he hire females for more of those higher paying positions?
2. Obama sets the pay of some White House staff. This is not in dispute.

Now you're trying to get the subject off of Obama. Surprise, surprise. Of course, I think a woman who does the very same job, who has the very same experience, who works the very same hours, under the same conditions and requirements--should be paid equal to what a man is paid. Tell it to Obama, though. He's the one who needs to be caught up to date on this subject.

On another note, I do not believe that the government should dictate pay for private businesses.

I never wanted to get on the subject of Obama, you did. Maybe he just doesn't have "binders full of women" to pull from Smile

Regarding equal pay, I sure hope that your daughter is treated fairly throughout her career and doesn't need any government intervention like so many other women have. It would be nice if we could trust all businesses and organizations to do what is ethical. Sadly, that's not always the case.

My daughter is full of spit and fire and determination. I'm not worried about her. Wink

28I must specify a topic - Page 2 Empty Re: I must specify a topic 10/25/2012, 6:53 pm

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A woman has to hold her own in the work place.

People cant expect the gov to be the answer to everything.

If people really want to change things in this country for the better they need to start looking within themsleves, thier actions, re-actions et al.

Laws are already set.

Women should be clever, tuff and if they have the right material they will get the pay.

if women use gov as a threat all the time it just makes women seem weak.

I took a course on "Women in Managment" not long ago and it explains one of the biggest problems with women and ITS TRUE. Women are emotional and this sometimes keeps them from demanding the pay and positions they desire. This course was specifically for women on how to deal with yourself as as a woman leader and dealing with your emotions and other womens emotions in the work place.

People only become stronger when they stop looking to someone else for reasons of thier own failures. All people.

on edit: I bet Condi rice wasnt under paid.

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