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When I was a teenager and first became aware of the WW II prison camps and extermination camps I was, naturally, horrified. I had the notion that the only reason these things continued was because people didn't know they existed until the Allies liberated the camps.

Or, to put it another way, I had the notion that if something like this were to happen in THIS country, on this side of the ocean, there was no doubt that we would not stand for it. Obviously, people are not being gassed but lives are being damaged, children detained, parents returned to their country of origin without them, asylum seekers treated like criminals.

The most sickening part of this administration (beside the fact that the Republicans in Congress are complicit enablers) is the hour by hour chaos, turmoil and deceit that floods the news of the day. The military, intelligence agencies, senior staff and top politicians run in circles unable to concentrate on any one thing that might be addressed and thus fixed.

Our daily events are more like a political extravaganza on the order of Cirque de Soleil than anything bordering on normal government functions or God forbid, statesmanship. That being said, I have recently added a subscription to the Washington Post to that of my subscription to the NYT's and have come across this columnist with a decidedly different take and style on our current condition. Some of her pieces are very comical. This one is not. Here is part of her observations for today. Her name is Alexandra Petri

We know absolutely and clearly what is not happening at the border and the words we must not use to describe it.

Three people have died in Immigration and Customs Enforcement custody since April. The children who have been separated from their parents are still reeling from the consequences. But it is nothing, if you see what we are saying, like the worst thing that could possibly have happened, and those who suggest this are wrong. It is horrible, but it is not an Unthinkable Horror. It is — thinkable, I think. It must be thinkable.

What should make us most upset, right now, is those disrespectful enough to suggest that what is happening is in any way similar to the tragedies of the past. This is not to be compared to concentration camps or the atrocities of the Holocaust, except to say that this is not anything like that. If we were to compare the two, we might discover similarities.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/19/appropriate-ways-describing-what-is-happening-border/?utm_term=.e94f0fe47ed6

zsomething



I always thought, "That kind of thing couldn't happen here."

But, y'know, after spending a life going to school with Southern Baptist conservatives, and seeing them start out bad and become only worse and worse and worse as politics have tightened their grip on their "faith," and seeing how easily (and completely) brainwashed they can be by talk radio and FOX News and the internet... I know damn well that not only can that kind of shit happen here, we're really just damned lucky it hasn't happened already.

I know that if the government ever comes to round me up, not only can I not count on my conservative neighbors to do anything about it, I can count on them to cheerlead it and make excuses for it. Back in Germany, at least a lot of the people in the towns near the camps had the option of turning a blind eye, sheepishly preferring "not to know." Here, people are getting a good look at it on TV, they know, and they know damn well, but they're still finding ways to make excuses. If they can't excuse it on their own, they wait for the Sean Hannitys of this world to "explain it away" for them and then they cling to whatever excuse they're given, like straws.

Just like they "what-about" Nazis in the streets by whining about the people who stand up to them instead. These people will find some contortionist way to "justify" any sick, hateful, morally-bereft horror that this administration perpetrates.

And then they get pissed if it's compared to the Holocaust. Yeah, it's not in the final stages, not at ll. That would be an inaccurate comparison. But we aren't in 1945-Germany right now. We are, however, looking a hell of a lot like 1935 Germany, though. The pieces are being put in place. Instead of armbands they've got caps, but the fervor is there. The same self-justified hatred of "the other" is there. The same "auslander raus" bullshit is going on, the same "Germany for Germans!" rhetoric's getting used to make it "okay" to treat human beings the way they are. Just because it "hasn't gone that far yet" doesn't mean it ain't the same goddamned road.

And the whole while clutching their Bibles, ignoring damn near everything that's written in them about the subject, some of their god's biggest laws.

Deuteronomy 10:18-19 – “For the Lord your God...loves the strangers, providing them food and clothing. You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.”

Trump and his white nationalist puppeteers are getting the population used to one level of cruelty before they'll turn things up another notch. The MAGA cult are okay with camps for these people and are sneering at comparisons to what the Nazis did because it hasn't gone that far yet. But when it does go that far, those same people will still say it's okay, because "they aren't citizens."

Nah. But they are people. I think being human should outrank where you (through no fault nor credit of your own) happened to be born, anyway. Their citizenship should really be of little consequence to anyone with enough compassion to even have a pet, much less live in a society.

I wish more people would watch this - https://www.amazon.com/World-War-Ultimate-Restored-Collectors/dp/B003IN7YPU/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=world+at+war&qid=1560976802&s=movies-tv&sr=1-3 -- and see what this kind of thing looked like the first time. I'm not talking about the later episodes at the end, which of course things don't resemble yet. I'm talking about the early episodes where things were getting set up for what happened later. Those I think would shock a lot of people if they saw how much history's rhyming.

I've got a conservative co-worker who's big into Anne Frank and is always asking me, "How could the Nazis have ever fallen for Hitler?" I don't get into it because it's a bad idea (and also obnoxious) to get into politics at work... but I could, easily, point out other things she says that would answer her own question... because she's falling right in line with those same people who bewilder her. And I don't know if she'd wise up before she went full-stage. A hell of a lot of what Trump's doing has been done before, by another guy people laughed off and thought wouldn't take it that far. And a lot of the people who opposed him were treated like they were the bad guys, too, in the way of "making Germany great again."

You wanna see the kind of people who made Hitler possible, just drive South, you can't miss 'em.




polecat

polecat

Might I suggest that if what upsets you most about migrant infants being disappeared into concentration camps is that we're calling them 'concentration camps,' you are a deeply f*cked-up garbage entity. - Jeff Tiedrich


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Telstar

Telstar

zsomething wrote:I always thought, "That kind of thing couldn't happen here."

But, y'know, after spending a life going to school with Southern Baptist conservatives, and seeing them start out bad and become only worse and worse and worse as politics have tightened their grip on their "faith," and seeing how easily (and completely) brainwashed they can be by talk radio and FOX News and the internet... I know damn well that not only can that kind of shit happen here, we're really just damned lucky it hasn't happened already.

I know that if the government ever comes to round me up, not only can I not count on my conservative neighbors to do anything about it, I can count on them to cheerlead it and make excuses for it.   Back in Germany, at least a lot of the people in the towns near the camps had the option of turning a blind eye, sheepishly preferring "not to know."   Here, people are getting a good look at it on TV, they know, and they know damn well, but they're still finding ways to make excuses.  If they can't excuse it on their own, they wait for the Sean Hannitys of this world to "explain it away" for them and then they cling to whatever excuse they're given, like straws.  

Just like they "what-about" Nazis in the streets by whining about the people who stand up to them instead.   These people will find some contortionist way to "justify" any sick, hateful, morally-bereft horror that this administration perpetrates.

And then they get pissed if it's compared to the Holocaust.  Yeah, it's not in the final stages, not at ll.   That would be an inaccurate comparison.  But we aren't in 1945-Germany right now.   We are, however, looking a hell of a lot like 1935 Germany, though.  The pieces are being put in place.  Instead of armbands they've got caps, but the fervor is there.  The same self-justified hatred of "the other" is there.  The same "auslander raus" bullshit is going on, the same "Germany for Germans!" rhetoric's getting used to make it "okay" to treat human beings the way they are.   Just because it "hasn't gone that far yet" doesn't mean it ain't the same goddamned road.

And the whole while clutching their Bibles, ignoring damn near everything that's written in them about the subject, some of their god's biggest laws.

Deuteronomy 10:18-19 – “For the Lord your God...loves the strangers, providing them food and clothing.  You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.”

Trump and his white nationalist puppeteers are getting the population used to one level of cruelty before they'll turn things up another notch.   The MAGA cult are okay with camps for these people and are sneering at comparisons to what the Nazis did because it hasn't gone that far yet.  But when it does go that far, those same people will still say it's okay, because "they aren't citizens."

Nah.  But they are people.  I think being human should outrank where you (through no fault nor credit of your own) happened to be born, anyway.  Their citizenship should really be of little consequence to anyone with enough compassion to even have a pet, much less live in a society.

I wish more people would watch this - https://www.amazon.com/World-War-Ultimate-Restored-Collectors/dp/B003IN7YPU/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=world+at+war&qid=1560976802&s=movies-tv&sr=1-3 -- and see what this kind of thing looked like the first time.  I'm not talking about the later episodes at the end, which of course things don't resemble yet.  I'm talking about the early episodes where things were getting set up for what happened later.  Those I think would shock a lot of people if they saw how much history's rhyming.

I've got a conservative co-worker who's big into Anne Frank and is always asking me, "How could the Nazis have ever fallen for Hitler?"   I don't get into it because it's a bad idea (and also obnoxious) to get into politics at work... but I could, easily, point out other things she says that would answer her own question... because she's falling right in line with those same people who bewilder her.  And I don't know if she'd wise up before she went full-stage.  A hell of a lot of what Trump's doing has been done before, by another guy people laughed off and thought wouldn't take it that far.  And a lot of the people who opposed him were treated like they were the bad guys, too, in the way of "making Germany great again."

You wanna see the kind of people who made Hitler possible, just drive South, you can't miss 'em.












The "situation" on our southern border Downlo14

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-obama-administration-children-human-traffickers/

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

“Some immigrant children were placed with human traffickers during the Obama administration.”
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Snopes!

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They ignore the inconvenient that doesn't fit into confirmation bias. Just like their new talkingpoint that trump and Republicans created the crisis at the border (after denying that there was a crisis didn't pass the laugh test). But who's policy is for open borders and a welfare state? Ya... it makes no sense except to useful idiots. I bet we'll find out who has actually facilitated millions to come streaming over our border. It's impossible for that many people to walk a thousand miles through jungles, over mountains, and across deserts without a tremendous amount of logistical support. This smells of Soros... but it's probably a more elaborate conspiracy. Oh... and illegal.

Telstar

Telstar

PkrBum wrote:  The "situation" on our southern border Pkr_bu18

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

PkrBum wrote:They ignore the inconvenient that doesn't fit into confirmation bias. Just like their new talkingpoint that trump and Republicans created the crisis at the border (after denying that there was a crisis didn't pass the laugh test). But who's policy is for open borders and a welfare state? Ya... it makes no sense except to useful idiots. I bet we'll find out who has actually facilitated millions to come streaming over our border. It's impossible for that many people to walk a thousand miles through jungles, over mountains, and across deserts without a tremendous amount of logistical support. This smells of Soros... but it's probably a more elaborate conspiracy. Oh... and illegal.

As usual, Snopes has a good article responding to the question about whether or not the Obama administration placed some immigrant children with human traffickers. Yes, yes, the answer is yes, the consequences of that situation resulted in the justice department bringing charges against the leader of the trafficking ring resulting in a 15 year sentence. Further,

In July 2015, the U.S. Department of Justice indicted a ring of traffickers led by Aroldo Castillo-Serrano and accused them of smuggling children into the United States. They were also accused of lying to Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) by posing as relatives in order to gain custody of children in its care and use them for forced labor in Marion, a city north of Columbus. The federal indictment, filed in U.S. district court in Ohio accuses Castillo-Serrano and his conspirators of forcing the children to live in squalid trailers and work six or seven 12-hour days a week, using threats and physical violence as coercion.

According to the Justice Department, Castillo-Serrano pleaded guilty in August 2015 to counts related to trafficking. He was sentenced to more than 15 years in prison and ordered to pay restitution to the victims.

The case spurred a Senate subcommittee investigation led by Rob Portman (R-Ohio) which concluded the processes used by ORR to screen sponsors “are inadequate to protect the children in the agency’s care.” At the time, HHS lacked a system to screen potential sponsors for signs of trafficking, like accumulating multiple unrelated children. It did not physically assess homes children were being placed in and did not do adequate background checks on adults residing in those homes. The report found that in 2014, “HHS permitted a sponsor to block a child-welfare case worker from visiting with one of the victims, even after the case worker discovered the child was not living at the address on file with HHS.”

As a result of the investigation, HHS and the Department of Homeland Security entered into an agreement to hammer out a joint plan that would address the issues raised in the report. As of 26 April 2018, that still had not happened according to Portman, who released a statement blasting the agencies for their failure to take action.

As was shown in the Snopes article, that placement was due to lack of vetting of the people who were thought to be relatives of the children. A breakdown of the system, not an intention of the system.

The placement of children to the egg processing plant was inexcusable and time was served. But wait, there's more:

The issue of HHS’s lack of accountability for unaccompanied immigrant children came to a head in May 2018 when HHS acting assistant secretary of Administration for Children and Families Steven Wagner told a Senate oversight committee that the agency could not account for 1,475 children it had placed with sponsors from October to December 2017. The furor over that story accompanied outrage over the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy, with critics raising concerns that the federal government was unnecessarily overwhelming an already-overburdened system with traumatized children.

To make matters worse, an investigation published 19 June 2018 by McClatchy revealed that the figure was only a snapshot from a three-month period and the number of children who are unaccounted for by HHS is actually nearly 6,000. The figure is likely exacerbated by an April 2018 agreement that allows background check information, including immigration status, of caregivers like parents and relatives to be shared with immigration authorities.

As usual, with this uneducated, inexperienced, fly by the seat of their pants White House, the "plan" to charge adults as criminals and separate them from children traveling with them was, to say the least, ill thought out resulting in thousands of children being housed in various locations with apparently NO adequate system in place for reunification with their parents or other family members.

Your charge of children being placed with human traffickers is true, it hardly serves as an excuse for what's going on today with thousands of people being detained. What, exactly was the point you were trying to make?

Guest


Guest

Citizens are separated from their children in this country when they break the law... or if they're unfit. That's a standard consequence. There's also a concern trying to determine if illegal immigrants are actually the parents of the children accompanying these criminals. It seems a reasonable policy to substantiate that.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/affording-congress-opportunity-address-family-separation/

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Human trafficking is a huge problem. Caution is of the utmost concern!

bigdog



zsomething wrote:I always thought, "That kind of thing couldn't happen here."

But, y'know, after spending a life going to school with Southern Baptist conservatives, and seeing them start out bad and become only worse and worse and worse as politics have tightened their grip on their "faith," and seeing how easily (and completely) brainwashed they can be by talk radio and FOX News and the internet... I know damn well that not only can that kind of shit happen here, we're really just damned lucky it hasn't happened already.

I know that if the government ever comes to round me up, not only can I not count on my conservative neighbors to do anything about it, I can count on them to cheerlead it and make excuses for it.   Back in Germany, at least a lot of the people in the towns near the camps had the option of turning a blind eye, sheepishly preferring "not to know."   Here, people are getting a good look at it on TV, they know, and they know damn well, but they're still finding ways to make excuses.  If they can't excuse it on their own, they wait for the Sean Hannitys of this world to "explain it away" for them and then they cling to whatever excuse they're given, like straws.  

Just like they "what-about" Nazis in the streets by whining about the people who stand up to them instead.   These people will find some contortionist way to "justify" any sick, hateful, morally-bereft horror that this administration perpetrates.

And then they get pissed if it's compared to the Holocaust.  Yeah, it's not in the final stages, not at ll.   That would be an inaccurate comparison.  But we aren't in 1945-Germany right now.   We are, however, looking a hell of a lot like 1935 Germany, though.  The pieces are being put in place.  Instead of armbands they've got caps, but the fervor is there.  The same self-justified hatred of "the other" is there.  The same "auslander raus" bullshit is going on, the same "Germany for Germans!" rhetoric's getting used to make it "okay" to treat human beings the way they are.   Just because it "hasn't gone that far yet" doesn't mean it ain't the same goddamned road.

And the whole while clutching their Bibles, ignoring damn near everything that's written in them about the subject, some of their god's biggest laws.

Deuteronomy 10:18-19 – “For the Lord your God...loves the strangers, providing them food and clothing.  You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.”

Trump and his white nationalist puppeteers are getting the population used to one level of cruelty before they'll turn things up another notch.   The MAGA cult are okay with camps for these people and are sneering at comparisons to what the Nazis did because it hasn't gone that far yet.  But when it does go that far, those same people will still say it's okay, because "they aren't citizens."

Nah.  But they are people.  I think being human should outrank where you (through no fault nor credit of your own) happened to be born, anyway.  Their citizenship should really be of little consequence to anyone with enough compassion to even have a pet, much less live in a society.

I wish more people would watch this - https://www.amazon.com/World-War-Ultimate-Restored-Collectors/dp/B003IN7YPU/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=world+at+war&qid=1560976802&s=movies-tv&sr=1-3 -- and see what this kind of thing looked like the first time.  I'm not talking about the later episodes at the end, which of course things don't resemble yet.  I'm talking about the early episodes where things were getting set up for what happened later.  Those I think would shock a lot of people if they saw how much history's rhyming.

I've got a conservative co-worker who's big into Anne Frank and is always asking me, "How could the Nazis have ever fallen for Hitler?"   I don't get into it because it's a bad idea (and also obnoxious) to get into politics at work... but I could, easily, point out other things she says that would answer her own question... because she's falling right in line with those same people who bewilder her.  And I don't know if she'd wise up before she went full-stage.  A hell of a lot of what Trump's doing has been done before, by another guy people laughed off and thought wouldn't take it that far.  And a lot of the people who opposed him were treated like they were the bad guys, too, in the way of "making Germany great again."

You wanna see the kind of people who made Hitler possible, just drive South, you can't miss 'em.








You just can't park all of those people in the South. The entire center of this country voted for Donald Trump. I know that, percentage wise, more Southerners are probably Trumpsters than in other parts of the country, but it's really hard to find a Democrat out in the so called "Heartland" too. The country was able to hide the fact that so much racism existed in the mid-west for years by focusing all the media on open racism below the Mason Dixon line. It made the rest of America feel good about itself-all the bad people were down south. Then busing began and Johnson's civil right's legislation came into effect and resentment popped up even in the Northeastern parts of the country.
We travel around the country quite a bit in our camper with our dogs, and if there's a more racist state in America than South Dakota, I don't know what it would be. We were there when Obama was president, and I don't think I've seen anyplace with as many anti-Obama signs as places like Rapid City and the Black Hills area in general.
It's a sick country, but the racists will eventually lose out with the demographic changes coming in the future. That is, if the planet lasts long enough for it to happen.

zsomething



bigdog wrote:



You just can't park all of those people in the South. The entire center of this country voted for Donald Trump. I know that, percentage wise, more Southerners are probably Trumpsters than in other parts of the country, but it's really hard to find a Democrat out in the so called "Heartland" too.  The country was able to hide the fact that so much racism existed in the mid-west for years by focusing all the media on open racism below the Mason Dixon line. It made the rest of America feel good about itself-all the bad people were down south. Then busing began and Johnson's civil right's legislation came into effect and resentment popped up even in the Northeastern parts of the country.
We travel around the country quite a bit in our camper with our dogs, and if there's a more racist state in America than South Dakota, I don't know what it would be. We were there when Obama was president, and I don't think I've seen anyplace with as many anti-Obama signs as places like Rapid City and the Black Hills area in general.
It's a sick country, but the racists will eventually lose out with the demographic changes coming in the future. That is, if the planet  lasts long enough for it to happen.

Oh, I know it's not just the South. But the South's what I'm familiar with, and I know if you want to find a mean-spirted, horrifyingly-stupid person with a really ugly soul, you can't go wrong looking for 'em down here. But, yep, they are everywhere. I just know I can vouch for this region having really thick thickets of 'em.

The racists will lose, eventually. If you look at Trump's rallies, most of those people are whistling on the last hole. I even look at his supposed "shock troops" like "Bikers 4 Trump" and I'm wondering, "Okay, y'all counting Rascal Scooters as 'bikes' now?" What age doesn't do to 'em, opioids and saturated fat will... but they still vote. And there are some upset, father-figure-seeking young idiots who can't get a girlfriend and think right-wing YouTube gurus have their answers for them... so the next generation of morons isn't quite gone yet. And the South, with all its miserable conditions (maintained by conservatives because misery keeps folks religious), is especially fertile ground for 'em.

But, nope, I'm not discounting the rest of the country, either. Hell, California was the most segregated place I've ever been. There's no place without problems.

I went to a lecture a few years back done by a diplomat from another country, and he told us, "You know how in America you divide your states up into red states and blue states? Well, if you did that to the rest of the globe, the only red you'd find is in America." He also explained that the only places that are still full of dangerously-radicalized religious nuts are the Middle East... and the United States. And we actually have more of 'em, because the Middle East fights theirs. In the U.S., it's not politically correct to call radicalized Christians "radicalized." So they get a free pass.

Telstar

Telstar

zsomething wrote:
bigdog wrote:



You just can't park all of those people in the South. The entire center of this country voted for Donald Trump. I know that, percentage wise, more Southerners are probably Trumpsters than in other parts of the country, but it's really hard to find a Democrat out in the so called "Heartland" too.  The country was able to hide the fact that so much racism existed in the mid-west for years by focusing all the media on open racism below the Mason Dixon line. It made the rest of America feel good about itself-all the bad people were down south. Then busing began and Johnson's civil right's legislation came into effect and resentment popped up even in the Northeastern parts of the country.
We travel around the country quite a bit in our camper with our dogs, and if there's a more racist state in America than South Dakota, I don't know what it would be. We were there when Obama was president, and I don't think I've seen anyplace with as many anti-Obama signs as places like Rapid City and the Black Hills area in general.
It's a sick country, but the racists will eventually lose out with the demographic changes coming in the future. That is, if the planet  lasts long enough for it to happen.

Oh, I know it's not just the South.  But the South's what I'm familiar with, and I know if you want to find a mean-spirted, horrifyingly-stupid person with a really ugly soul, you can't go wrong looking for 'em down here.  But, yep, they are everywhere.  I just know I can vouch for this region having really thick thickets of 'em.

The racists will lose, eventually.  If you look at Trump's rallies, most of those people are whistling on the last hole.  I even look at his supposed "shock troops" like "Bikers 4 Trump" and I'm wondering, "Okay, y'all counting Rascal Scooters as 'bikes' now?"   What age doesn't do to 'em, opioids and saturated fat will... but they still vote.  And there are some upset, father-figure-seeking young idiots who can't get a girlfriend and think right-wing YouTube gurus have their answers for them... so the next generation of morons isn't quite gone yet.  And the South, with all its miserable conditions (maintained by conservatives because misery keeps folks religious), is especially fertile ground for 'em.

But, nope, I'm not discounting the rest of the country, either.  Hell, California was the most segregated place I've ever been.   There's no place without problems.

I went to a lecture a few years back done by a diplomat from another country, and he told us, "You know how in America you divide your states up into red states and blue states?  Well, if you did that to the rest of the globe, the only red you'd find is in America."   He also explained that the only places that are still full of dangerously-radicalized religious nuts are the Middle East... and the United States.  And we actually have more of 'em, because the Middle East fights theirs.  In the U.S., it's not politically correct to call radicalized Christians "radicalized."  So they get a free pass.






The "situation" on our southern border Southe10

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Dear God, make it stop.

https://thehill.com/latino/449829-four-migrant-toddlers-one-completely-unresponsive-hospitalized-after-lawyers-tour-of?fbclid=IwAR2YZMNCRraAgv2oeTT-15djfFkRWCc3O0w9PbLRjE807-mQLYXyfHMIMc4

The video is unbelievable.

Sal

Sal

Floridatexan wrote:
Dear God, make it stop.

https://thehill.com/latino/449829-four-migrant-toddlers-one-completely-unresponsive-hospitalized-after-lawyers-tour-of?fbclid=IwAR2YZMNCRraAgv2oeTT-15djfFkRWCc3O0w9PbLRjE807-mQLYXyfHMIMc4

The video is unbelievable.

Cruelty is the point.

We actually had a DOJ lawyer this week arguing in court that these children are not entitled to soap, toothpaste, and rudimentary bedding.

We really are a horrible excuse for a nation at this point in time.

That this is being done in our names, and nationwide violent demonstrations aren't occurring in response ....

.... a reckoning is coming, and we're all gonna get a taste.

Telstar

Telstar

Sal wrote:
Floridatexan wrote:
Dear God, make it stop.

https://thehill.com/latino/449829-four-migrant-toddlers-one-completely-unresponsive-hospitalized-after-lawyers-tour-of?fbclid=IwAR2YZMNCRraAgv2oeTT-15djfFkRWCc3O0w9PbLRjE807-mQLYXyfHMIMc4

The video is unbelievable.

Cruelty is the point.

We actually had a DOJ lawyer this week arguing in court that these children are not entitled to soap, toothpaste, and rudimentary bedding.

We really are a horrible excuse for a nation at this point in time.

That this is being done in our names, and nationwide violent demonstrations aren't occurring in response ....

.... a reckoning is coming, and we're all gonna get a taste.





Today they argue the children are not entitled to soap and tomorrow they will argue why they had to melt them down into pills and soap.




Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Everything this cretin does turns to crap for the people. It's past time for impeachment.

bigdog



I agree completely with it being time for impeachment and also disagree completely. Makes a lot of sense, right.
Our Constitution is demanding an impeachment right now, Pelosi is shirking her responsibility because of politics. Both of those are true. But she doesn't want to impeach because the Senate will NOT vote guilty, he won't be removed, and he'll come out proclaiming his proven innocence from all crimes, since the Senate acquitted him.
It's a disgusting thought.
But IF, and it's a big IF, Pelosi can get hold of some of his financial records, showing money laundering for the Russian government, and if she can prove it beyond doubt, I don't think the Senate Republicans could hold out and continue to support him. It has to be clear, it has to be broadcast to the American people, unlike the Mueller report which most of the public still knows nothing about, and it has to be done as a criminal investigation. It can't be about obstructing justice, none of his people care if he obstructed justice. Money laundering is a serious crime, even Trump voters know that. That's what Pelosi is waiting for, I think.
So, I am both completely disgusted with her lack of action and I completely understand what it's about. That really is frustrating.

I completely believe that even if she doesn't act, and he's voted down in 2020, he'll walk directly out of the White House into the arms of the attorney general of New York. They are already working on a case against him and he can't even hope to pardon himself from a state crime. His business and his family is going down before the New York legal system. They are going to get what is due to them. It helps me to know that at night when I try to sleep.
Sadly, it will be too late for those babies in Texas.
Sometimes you just have to believe in some kind of Kharma or you'll go nuts.

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Fuck anybody's "what-about-ism." If you want to "what-about" this, do me a favor and die, as soon as fucking possible.




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What You Need to Know About the Crisis at the Border
And what you can do to help.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/06/trump-border-crisis-how-to-help.html

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