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ahaaaaa Vice News just profiled a trump propaganda movie where they try to turn progressives into fascist

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2seaoat



Pk has swallowed this stuff, hook, line, and sinker, and the producer of the trump propaganda movie all but admitted that he created the democrats are fascist fantasy. Too funny. I knew folks were swallowing this misguided use of political concepts, but I thought it was dumb asz who never learned political concepts. Just the opposite. He understands completely that the Trump populist movement is racist and fascist, and he admits to counter this he created the phony nexus. The best part was Donald Trump,Jr at the premier of the movie telling a reporter how the democrats are fascist. This is pure Orwellian doublethink, and the worse part...........I get the really smart guys creating big lies propaganda which is easier to sell to the masses than the little lies, but I always thought the majority of America could engage their brains before they let weak racist fears to cloud rationality. I have argued for a decade on how deep racism is in America.

This also corresponds with the same Vice program on the Nazis, where the leader in Colorado intentionally is trying to play up the socialist portion of Nazi origins, in the modern context, with just one purpose......to continue the doublethink, where the racist fascist are fending off the "real" fascist......you know the party which had freedom marchers, voting rights act, and affirmative action is now the racist fascist group who are the bad guys......brilliant propaganda......as the movie melds the face of Trump and Lincoln......why is that happening.......indirectly to dis Lincoln and everything he accomplished....this is some sophisticated research propaganda.

Telstar

Telstar

2seaoat wrote:Pk has swallowed this stuff, hook, line, and sinker, and the producer of the trump propaganda movie all but admitted that he created the democrats are fascist fantasy.  Too funny.   I knew folks were swallowing this misguided use of political concepts, but I thought it was dumb asz who never learned political concepts.  Just the opposite.  He understands completely that the Trump populist movement is racist and fascist, and he admits to counter this he created the phony nexus.  The best part was Donald Trump,Jr at the premier of the movie telling a reporter how the democrats are fascist.   This is pure Orwellian doublethink, and the worse part...........I get the really smart guys creating big lies propaganda which is easier to sell to the masses than the little lies, but I always thought the majority of America could engage their brains before they let weak racist fears to cloud rationality.  I have argued for a decade on how deep racism is in America.

This also corresponds with the same Vice program on the Nazis, where the leader in Colorado intentionally is trying to play up the socialist portion of Nazi origins, in the modern context, with just one purpose......to continue the doublethink, where the racist fascist are fending off the "real" fascist......you know the party which had freedom marchers, voting rights act, and affirmative action is now the racist fascist group who are the bad guys......brilliant propaganda......as the movie melds the face of Trump and Lincoln......why is that happening.......indirectly to dis Lincoln and everything he accomplished....this is some sophisticated research propaganda.






LOL absolute trash worshiped by mouth breathing zombies.


Guest


Guest

Except I've been telling the truth about fascism/progressivism for 15+ years. It's plain history.

ConservaLady

ConservaLady

Loony lefty liberals are the real fascists. Progressivism and Communism are fraternal twins.

1. “Fascism is a religion of the state.”
– It assumes the organic unity of the body politic
– It longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people
– It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political
— Any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good
— It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including:
—- Citizens health
—- Citizens well-being
—- Seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action (by force or through regulation
and social pressure)
– Everything, including the economy and religion must be aligned with its objectives
– Any rival identity is part of the “problem” and therefore defined as the enemy”1

Deus X

Deus X

ConservaLady wrote:
1. “Fascism is a religion of the state.”
– It assumes the organic unity of the body politic
– It longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people
– It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political
— Any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good
— It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including:
—- Citizens health
—- Citizens well-being
—- Seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action (by force or through regulation
and social pressure)
– Everything, including the economy and religion must be aligned with its objectives
– Any rival identity is part of the “problem” and therefore defined as the enemy”1


Kim, do you not understand the concept of plagiarism? Those are Jonah Goldberg's words not yours yet you don't credit him. Sleazy and intellectually dishonest. Imagine that!

ConservaLady

ConservaLady

Deus X wrote:
ConservaLady wrote:
1. “Fascism is a religion of the state.”
– It assumes the organic unity of the body politic
– It longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people
– It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political
— Any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good
— It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including:
—- Citizens health
—- Citizens well-being
—- Seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action (by force or through regulation
and social pressure)
– Everything, including the economy and religion must be aligned with its objectives
– Any rival identity is part of the “problem” and therefore defined as the enemy”1


Kim, do you not understand the concept of plagiarism? Those are Jonah Goldberg's words not yours yet you don't credit him. Sleazy and intellectually dishonest. Imagine that!

This is a stupid casual internet political discussion forum.  Not some kind of academic publication.  So sue me.

Yet you resort to the tactic of attack the messenger and not the message.  Why is that?   I know.  Because you can't.

Besides, I like to quote stuff unattributed sometimes. It forces loony left liberals to do a little work (for a change), go find and read the sources themselves, and maybe learn to think for themselves a little bit (for a change.) I consider it a public service. Smile

Guest


Guest

H. G. Wells, one of the most influential progressives of the 20th century, said in 1932 that progressives must become “liberal fascists” and “enlightened Nazis.” Regarding totalitarianism, he stated: “I have never been able to escape altogether from its relentless logic.” Calling for a “‘Phoenix Rebirth’ of Liberalism” under the umbrella of “Liberal Fascism,” Wells said: “I am asking for a Liberal Fascisti, for enlightened Nazis.”

The poet Wallace Stevens pronounced himself “pro-Mussolini personally.”

The eminent historian Charles Beard wrote of Mussolini’s efforts: “Beyond question, an amazing experiment is being made [in Italy], an experiment in reconciling individualism and socialism.”

Muckraking journalists almost universally admired Mussolini. Lincoln Steffens, for one, said that Italian fascism made Western democracy, by comparison, look like a system run by “petty persons with petty purposes.” Mussolini, Steffens proclaimed reverently, had been “formed” by God “out of the rib of Italy.”

McClure’s Magazine founder Samuel McClure, an important figure in the muckraking movement, described Italian fascism as “a great step forward and the first new ideal in government since the founding of the American Republic.”

After having vistited Italy and interviewed Mussolini in 1926, the American humorist Will Rogers, who was informally dubbed “Ambassador-at-Large of the United States” by the National Press Club, said of the fascist dictator: “I’m pretty high on that bird.” “Dictator form of government is the greatest form of government,” Rogers wrote, “that is, if you have the right dictator.”

Reporter Ida Tarbell was deeply impressed by Mussolini's attitudes regarding labor, affectionately dubbing him “a despot with a dimple.”

NAACP co-founder W. E. B. DuBois saw National Socialism as a worthy model for economic organization. The establishment of the Nazi dictatorship in Germany, he wrote, had been “absolutely necessary to get the state in order.” In 1937 DuBois stated: “there is today, in some respects, more democracy in Germany than there has been in years past.”

FDR adviser Rexford Guy Tugwell said of Italian fascism: “It's the cleanest, neatest, most efficiently operating piece of social machinery I've ever seen. It makes me envious.”

New Republic editor George Soule, who avidly supported FDR, noted approvingly that the Roosevelt administration was “trying out the economics of fascism.”

Playwright George Bernard Shaw hailed Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini as the world’s great “progressive” leaders because they “did things,” unlike the leaders of those “putrefying corpses” called parliamentary democracies.

2seaoat



Except I've been telling the truth about fascism/progressivism for 15+ years. It's plain history.


For 15 years you have been wrong as to history, and wrong in regard to the present. Who do you think the fascist were fighting in the street. The Socialist and Communist. It is that simple, yet you want to create a fiction which the propagandist hope people are ill informed or simply stupid.

Besides, I like to quote stuff unattributed sometimes. It forces loony left liberals to do a little work (for a change), go find and read the sources themselves, and maybe learn to think for themselves a little bit (for a change.) I consider it a public service.

I hate to burst your bubble but I think for myself without reading cut and paste propaganda. I find this type of behavior growing at parties. A person who has swallowed the propaganda is spewing nonsense. I never try to argue with them, but simply ask them to tell me about their sources. I then gently explain the truth which is not about memorizing propaganda but having been educated and well read. They dispute history or a political concept, I simply pull my phone out and google the truth. The difference between an educated person and a propaganda spewer is that the educated person can always rely on the tools they were provided to find the truth.

ConservaLady

ConservaLady

2seaoat wrote:

I hate to burst your bubble

My bubble is made of a high strength alloy steel with a teflon coating. You are wasting your time trying to burst it with your soft as a noodle loony left liberal talking points. But continue to flail away if you must.

zsomething



ConservaLady wrote:
2seaoat wrote:

I hate to burst your bubble

My bubble is made of a high strength alloy steel with a teflon coating.   You are wasting your time trying to burst it with your soft as a noodle loony left liberal talking points.   But continue to flail away if you must.


lol! Well, that much is true, but I wouldn't be proud of it.

Your bubble's made up of delusions. You've been trained in 'em since birth. Pretty much everything you believe is completely wrong, and you've been trained to reject any facts and logic that might wise you up. Good ol' cultism. You've decided what you want to believe and nothing's going to shake you off of it. It's the power of willful ignorance.

As for DSouza's lying-ass "documentary," it completely falls on its face. Anybody who's studied history at all knows how completely silly it is.

I've lived around conservatives all my life. I know who waves the swastika flags and the confederate flags and who spouts all the racism, and who'd gladly throw away the Constitution for an authoritarian dictatorship as long as they got to enforce their religion and white supremacy on everyone else. It's pretty damn difficult for anybody who actually knows conservatives to buy than the liberals are the "fascistic" ones. Impossible, in fact.

You guys act like we don't know you. You think that you can talk your way around a lifetime of close-up, in-depth observation. I didn't get my views of you guys from anybody's documentary, right or left. I got it from living in the middle of you, putting up with your stupidity, helping people work around your bigotry, and, at times, having to physically beat the fucking shit out of a few of you in self-defense because my dad was an immigrant and a lot of your kind didn't appreciate that. Whenever some clown like Dinesh tries to paint you as non-fascist, I don't have to look any further than the scars on my knuckles to remind me who and what you really are.

Dinesh may help you maintain your teflon-bubble-of-illusion that you aren't just shitty, nasty, hateful, ignorant assholes... but it's not going to fool the people who know you.

Telstar

Telstar

ConservaLady wrote:
Deus X wrote:
ConservaLady wrote:
1. “Fascism is a religion of the state.”
– It assumes the organic unity of the body politic
– It longs for a national leader attuned to the will of the people
– It is totalitarian in that it views everything as political
— Any action by the state is justified to achieve the common good
— It takes responsibility for all aspects of life, including:
—- Citizens health
—- Citizens well-being
—- Seeks to impose uniformity of thought and action (by force or through regulation
and social pressure)
– Everything, including the economy and religion must be aligned with its objectives
– Any rival identity is part of the “problem” and therefore defined as the enemy”1


Kim, do you not understand the concept of plagiarism? Those are Jonah Goldberg's words not yours yet you don't credit him. Sleazy and intellectually dishonest. Imagine that!

This is a stupid casual internet political discussion forum.  Not some kind of academic publication.  So sue me.

Yet you resort to the tactic of attack the messenger and not the message.  Why is that?   I know.  Because you can't.

Besides, I like to quote stuff unattributed sometimes.  It forces loony left liberals to do a little work (for a change), go find and read the sources themselves, and maybe learn to think for themselves a little bit (for a change.)  I consider it a public service.  Smile




ahaaaaa Vice News just profiled a trump propaganda movie where they try to turn progressives into fascist Bull11




ahaaaaa Vice News just profiled a trump propaganda movie where they try to turn progressives into fascist Poop12

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

My bubble is made of a high strength alloy steel with a teflon coating.

That's your brain.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Self-described Nazis and white supremacists are running as Republicans across the country. The GOP is terrified.

The racist candidates are expected to lose, but they could drag their party down with them.

By Jane Coaston jane.coaston@vox.com Jul 9, 2018, 9:50am EDT

"In at least five state and national races across the country, the Republican Party is dealing with an uncomfortable problem. Their party’s candidates are either a card-carrying Nazi, a Holocaust denier, a proud white supremacist, or all of the above.

In North Carolina, for example, GOP officials are stuck with Russell Walker, a white supremacist running for the state House of Representatives. According to his personal website (littered with the n-word), he believes that “the jews are NOT semitic they are satanic as they all descend from Satan.”

Republicans in the state have regrets. “This is a very Democratic district, one that we failed to keep our eye on,” Dallas Woodhouse, executive chair of the North Carolina GOP, told me in an email. “However, we can’t stop him from running.”

In Illinois, meanwhile, the Republican Party shrugged off Arthur Jones, a candidate for the state’s 3rd Congressional district who boasted of his membership in the American Nazi Party. But Jones won the GOP primary, and now party officials, including ones who called Jones “morally reprehensible” and “a complete nutcase,” are scrambling to launch a write-in campaign. Jones’s campaign website features a section called “Holocaust?” in which he argues that the “idea that six million Jews, were killed by the National Socialist government of Germany, in World War II, is the biggest, blackest lie in history.”

In Virginia, the chair of the state GOP resigned earlier this month, reportedly because of alt-right leaning, pro-Confederate candidate Corey Stewart’s win in the Republican primary. But even Stewart had to disavow Wisconsin’s Paul Nehlen, who is running to replace Speaker Paul Ryan. Nehlen’s too racist for Twitter and even for Gab, the preferred social media platform of the alt-right. Meanwhile, a California Republican running for Congress has been making appearances on neo-Nazi podcasts and argues on his campaign website that “diversity” is a Jewish plot. (The California GOP has disavowed him.)

Racial animus helped fuel the rise of Donald Trump. Since the end of the civil rights movement and under Republican strategist Lee Atwater’s “Southern strategy” that used racism as an unstated cudgel against Democrats, the Republican Party itself has played a welcoming host to racial tensions and fears. Simultaneously, it has depicted itself, as conservative columnist Jeff Jacoby put it in 2012, as “the party of color-blind equality and “a party that doesn’t think with its skin.”

But in a year when the left is energized in opposition to Trump, particularly by his policies toward minority groups and immigrants, and as the GOP tries to hang on to their majorities in Congress and state houses around the country, state party officials say they do not need racist fringe candidates running for office. None of these candidates is expected to win in the general election this fall, but they are going to give liberals on the hunt for examples of simmering neo-Nazi and neo-Confederate rhetoric at least five places to point..."

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/9/17525860/nazis-russell-walker-arthur-jones-republicans-illinois-north-carolina-virginia

Would anyone care to explain why the NAZIS, holocaust deniers and white nationalists are running on the GOP ticket? I'll wait.

2seaoat



My bubble is made of a high strength alloy steel with a teflon coating.

That explains your illiteracy in regard to scripture, and child like perception of current politics. You simply need to read, and then read some more. Turn your tv off. Get off the internet. Read some books and maybe information getting to your brain will not be hindered by your bubble.

I have a business partner who is worth about twenty million. I treated him and his wife to dinner, along with a retired Ford dealer and his wife. They both are uncomfortable with Trump, but were completely honest that trump has saved them thousands and thousands of dollars as both are in the 1% and will vote for anybody who positively impacts their pocketbook. However, these bottom feeders who eat racism and crave authoritarian military society have a different agenda. They think being losers will be solved by making others inferior. Sorry white privilege is going to die. Each person will have to succeed on their merits, and being illiterate and innately challenged in regard to intelligence they want to go back to the days where ignorance was built into a de jure system of injustice. Justice and good will prevail in America. America's grasp of modernity is as much a threat to the Trump base as it is to the Ayatolla in Iran, and the Saudi Princes who are bombing school buses to keep the status quo of injustice.

Guest


Guest

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/12/fascism-populism-presidential-election/510668/

2seaoat



The fascist government of Pinochet in Chile does not need a dictionary to understand the term "fascist". Uneducated folks just do not understand this simple concept. Pinochet worshiped the Military, attacked the free press, went after socialist and communists, and committed atrocities against those who were thought to be an enemy of a right wing Latin American governments who mastered the blueprint as they melded with the 1% in those countries with right wing terrorism on the streets as people were gathered and taken to stadiums to be tortured or killed. No, President Trump is a fascist. He gave the 1% their tax break, gave the military unnecessary huge budget increases, and systematically attacked minorities. I guess losing children in cages at the border is as close as you can get to the fascist Pinochet government.

The term fascist has been easily understood by scholars for a hundred years, and no amount of Orwellian doublethink will reverse its meaning, nor will current attempts at the same by uneducated propagandist and their ilk change the truth. I wrote my thesis on economic union within Latin America forty five years ago, and the term fascist has not changed a bit during that time among scholars. We are becoming a third world fascist state, and people either can support democracy or become traitors. It is that simple. We each make our choices.

Guest


Guest

If you had any idea what it means you'd know it's primarily an economic model... and that's the only tangible way that it differentiates from marxism. They both abuse authority and suck. See: history/results.

Btw... obamacaid is still the biggest fascist program in our history. Govt force w a pretence of capitalism.

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