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1N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/12/2018, 7:26 am

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Joint Statement of President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea at the Singapore Summit

President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) held a first, historic summit in Singapore on June 12, 2018.

President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un conducted a comprehensive, in-depth, and sincere exchange of opinions on the issues related to the establishment of new U.S.-DPRK relations and the building of a lasting and robust peace regime on the Korean Peninsula, President Trump committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

Convinced that the establishment of new U.S.-DPRK relations will contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean Peninsula and of the world, and recognizing that mutual confidence building can promote the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:

1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new U.S.-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.

2. The United States and the DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.

3. Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.

4. The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

Having acknowledged that the U.S.-DPRK summit-- the first in history-- was an epochal event of great significance in overcoming decades of tension and hostilities between the two countries and for the opening up of a new future, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un commit to implement the stipulations in this joint statement fully and expeditiously. The United States and the DPRK commit to hold follow-up negotiations, led by the U.S. Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and a relevant high-level DPRK official, at the earliest possible date, to implement the outcomes of the U.S.-DPRK summit.

President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea have committed to cooperate for the development of new U.S.-DPRK relations and for the promotion of peace, prosperity, and security of the Korean Peninsula and of the world.

[Signed: Donald J. Trump, Kim Jong Un]

June 12, 2018
Sentosa Island
Singapore

2N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/12/2018, 8:28 am

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Two lying bullshit dictators meet and share ideas on how to remain in power.

This morning N. Korea retains its stockpile of nuclear weapons and its delivery systems.

Trump promised to end military exercises with S. Korea and suggested removing our troops.

It would seem that the only people who trust Kim and Donald are those on their payroll.

Reality.

3N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/12/2018, 8:36 am

Guest


Guest

Nothing changes until verified NK compliance. I still have doubts of course... but this isn't the "Iran deal".

4N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/12/2018, 3:47 pm

Sal

Sal

Kim got a summit that treated him as an equal on the world stage. He got an end to US-ROK military exercises. He got the United States to ignore his appalling human rights record. And he got lots of new leverage in his relationship with China.

Trump got ... nothing. Actually, that’s not quite right. He got less than NK has promised other presidents in previous negotiations. There was only the vaguest gesture toward ending its nuclear program. There was no promise of a testing moratorium. There was no promise of a development moratorium. There was no mention of “tangible” or “irreversible” or “permanent,” all of which had been previous US demands.

What a deal!!

5N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/12/2018, 3:54 pm

polecat

polecat

FOX NEWS ALERT!
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BREAKING: trump & kim sign each other's yearbooks, vow to stay in touch over the summer.

6N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/12/2018, 4:12 pm

RealLindaL



Sal wrote:Kim got a summit that treated him as an equal on the world stage. He got an end to US-ROK military exercises. He got the United States to ignore his appalling human rights record. And he got lots of new leverage in his relationship with China.

Trump got ... nothing. Actually, that’s not quite right. He got less than NK has promised other presidents in previous negotiations. There was only the vaguest gesture toward ending its nuclear program. There was no promise of a testing moratorium. There was no promise of a development moratorium. There was no mention of “tangible” or “irreversible” or “permanent,” all of which had been previous US demands.

What a deal!!


SPOT ON as usual, Sal.  Thanks for your usual cut-to-the-chase insight.

7N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/12/2018, 5:15 pm

zsomething



Trump sent every dictator in the world a clear message: if you want respect and to be treated as an equal to the United States, then pursue nuclear weapons. Develop them and get them on missiles as quickly as you can, because otherwise you've got nothing. Nuke up and Trump will meet with you and agree to stop our military exercises and... well, give you whatever you want, basically, in exchange for... nothing.

I've seen this deal somewhere before. Where was it? Oh, yeah. Here it is.



Trump with all his "fire and fury" and "Little Rocket Man" etc. etc. and then when nut-cutting time comes 'round he wants a "win" so badly he's all yes-sir-Mr.-Kim-we'll-get-those-troops-out-of-there-immediately-sir-I-trust-you. And this from the guy who likes telling the parable of the snake over and over again.

I hope some good comes of it, but if anyone really thinks Trump didn't get took, you're probably still waiting for that exiled Nigerian prince to FedEx you your 18 million dollars.

Kim's not about to actually de-nuclearize. It's been made completely clear to him that having nukes is the only thing that gets him treated with respect. That was his ticket to the world stage. Ya rrrreeeeeaaaaalllly think he's gonna give them up now? Especially when he knows how things turned out for Khadafi, Saddam, etc.? That's like thinking the dog sits up just because he likes you to see you happy and the Milk Bones you give him have nothing to do with it. Trump believes whatever's most flattering to himself. He's gotten snookered because Kim knows how to rub his belly and make his leg kick. And anybody who believes otherwise is probably doing a one-leg jig of their own.

8N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/13/2018, 6:53 am

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

This is surely a propaganda victory for "Kim" whose people only receive state-approved information about the world and events outside of North Korea.

In my view ... all that this has done (so far) is to legitimize a brutal totalitarian communist regime and enhanced Kim's security status as the "leader" at home.  Only time will tell if it's anything beyond that.   But let's look at the history of the "historic agreements" with the North Korean regime:

1985: North Korea signs Nuclear NonProliferation Treaty

1992: North Korea signs historic agreement to halt nuclear program

1994: North Korea signs historic agreement to halt nuclear program

1999: North Korea signs historic agreement to end missile tests

2000: North Korea signs historic agreement to reunify Korea! Nobel Peace Prize is awarded to South Korean President for this.

2005: North Korea declares support for "denuclearization" of Korean peninsula

2005: North Korea signs historic agreement to halt nuclear program and "denuclearize"!

2006: North Korea declares support for "denuclearization" of Korean peninsula

2006: North Korea again support for "denuclearization" of Korean peninsula

2007: North Korea signs historic agreement to halt nuclear program!  

2007: N&S Korea sign agreement on reunification 2010: North Korea commits to ending Korean War 2010: North Korea announces commitment to "denuclearize"

2010: North Korea again announces commitment to "denuclearize" 2011: North Korea announces plan to halt nuclear and missile tests

2012: North Korea announces halt to nuclear program 2015: North Korea offers to halt nuclear tests

2016: North Korea again announces support for "denuclearization

2018: North Korea signs a vague documen about the possibility of denuclearization (and this time gets all that they want)

Personal anecdote:  I was discussing this with one of my Trump fan-boy friends (who's actually a pretty good guy)  just a couple of days ago and he was of the impression that by getting the North Korean leader to attend a summit "where all other Presidents have failed" is an accomplishment in and of itself.  So I pointed out to him that North Korea has always desired a one-on-one with a US President and that it's not that N Korea has refused summits in the past (they've asked for them in fact), rather all previous Presidents have refused to grant them that particular honor/legitimacy without pre-conditions.  He had nothing to say when I told him that ... except some rambling statement about Trump knowing how to play 9-dimensional chess.   Rolling Eyes

I thought this opinion article on the matter was particularly apt, so I'll re-post in it's entirety:

COLUMN: Little long-term thinking in what Trump says  and does

By MATTHEW DOWD Jun 13, 2018, 4:57 AM ET


President Donald Trump, just off a whirlwind tour of international diplomacy -- to Canada for the G-7 meeting and then to Singapore for the summit on North Korea -- still has not moved from the tactical to the strategic as regards U.S. foreign policy.

The president has an unbelievable ability to garner press and make folks respond, but there seems little long-term thinking in what he says and does.

And giving Trump some genius level of strategic credit because everyone is focused on him, and is responding to him, is a bit like giving credit to the teenager who got the keys to his parents car and drove erratically on the highway, because all the other cars on the road and pedestrians had to react to him.

Let us not confuse stream of consciousness actions with strategic planning and foresight.

In the span of just a few days Trump managed to do the following:

1. Help Kim Jong Un achieve a tremendous propaganda victory by standing shoulder-to-shoulder with him on the world stage, and letting Kim wrap his flag of dictatorship with the American flag of democracy. This enhanced Kim’s status among other nations and gave him both a domestic advantage in North Korea and an international platform to engage from. This is something he, his father, and other leaders of North Korea have only dreamed of over the last 70 years.

2. Celebrated the hated dictator of North Korea, who has brutalized his own people, complimenting him effusively within hours of criticizing a longtime democratic ally, the popular leader Justin Trudeau of Canada, and threatening our neighbor with ill-advised tariffs. This is an amazing turnaround for an American foreign policy that looked to Canada for support on international agreements, at the United Nations, and in conflicts and wars around the globe. Neither of these actions will make America safer, nor help the working class of our country economically. I think Trump just pushed the limits of what “Canada nice” will tolerate, and for this president, he has asserted a policy that our allies will see as “no good country goes unpunished."

3. Here is where the logic fails me: So President Trump, with Republican support, saw the Iran nuclear agreement, which had tons of concessions and detailed commitments as bad and needing to be reversed, while the deal with North Korea, with no concessions and no real commitments from Kim, is good and readily embraced. Color me confused on this, or maybe I just smell good old-fashioned cooked-to-perfection political hypocrisy.

4. On his way to Canada, Trump speculated that Russia should be let back into the G-7, ignoring the fact the Russians were kicked out because they invaded and took over Crimea. In the midst of these idle thoughts expressed out loud, Trump blamed President Obama for the Russian invasion of Crimea and basically said since it had nothing to do with Trump, why should he hold it against Putin. This would be like Harry Truman, after FDR died, blaming Roosevelt for the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and deciding not to continue the war in the Pacific because it was “Roosevelt’s problem” and then inviting Japan over for a meeting.

For many Americans, acts and words such as this by our president have become the new normal and we often lose focus on their real-world impact. We must stay alert and not let chaos become expected. Let us not get tired and lost in the maelstrom of maddening, messy and mercurial meanderings of the man from Mar-a-Lago.

Matthew Dowd is an ABC News analyst and special correspondent. Opinions expressed in this column do not necessarily reflect the views of ABC News.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/column-long-term-thinking-trump/story?id=55849588

North Korea:good ..... Canada: bad.     Go figure.  Crazy times we live in these days, huh?

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9N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/13/2018, 8:19 am

Guest


Guest

Yet you people cheered while obama gave Iran a path to legitimate nuclearization in 7 years... gave the farm away to Cuba in exchange for a selfie w a che mural... overthrew a stable sovereign libya... backed the Muslim brotherhood coup of Egypt... armed terrorists in Syria, libya, and Mexico... and sat on his thumb while China and Russia ran roughshod.

But preliminary talks to denuclearize the Korean peninsula has you triggered. Lol... way to pick your battles.

10N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/13/2018, 9:08 am

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

PkrBum wrote:Yet you people ....

"you people" ???   What "people" ?  

You mean anyone who applies some critical analysis to anything Trump says or does?

No, seriously ... I'd like to hear your definition of just who these "you people" are you are referring to.  (if you're up to that challenge, of course)

PkrBum wrote: ... cheered while obama gave Iran a path to legitimate nuclearization in 7 years... gave the farm away to Cuba in exchange for a selfie w a che mural... overthrew a stable sovereign libya... backed the Muslim brotherhood coup of Egypt... armed terrorists in Syria, libya, and Mexico... and sat on his thumb while China and Russia ran roughshod.
....  


What about-ism.  Nice attempt at deflection there, 'P- bum'. Rolling Eyes    

It's an old, tired, worn out, lame, and intellectually dishonest debate/discussion tactic.  No doubt it plays well with your typical Hannity fan ... but I rather suspect most on this board are a little too smart to fall for that one.  

Just because someone disagrees with something Trump does or says doesn't mean that person agrees with everything Obama or any other Demo did or said.    (for the record ... so happens there some things about Trump I do agree with, and Jeff Sessions to boot)

Try & stay on-topic, 'bum'

PkrBum wrote:  .....  But preliminary talks to denuclearize the Korean peninsula has you triggered. Lol... way to pick your battles  

"pre-liminary talks" ???    What Trump has done here is legitimize the North Korean  old-school-communist regime and it's murderous "dear leader" .....  and gotten nothing of substance in return except some pretty words and a photo-op.

But okay fan-boy .... think what you want.   Rolling Eyes

11N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/13/2018, 9:42 am

Guest


Guest

Pffft... the despots nukes and missiles are "legitimate". Nothing has happened yet. I'd hope there's actual un verification... without exceptions as with Iran. Self-inspection... lol. If I had to bet right now I'd put it on trump walking away from some point of contention. Then picking it back up in a year or two.

12N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/13/2018, 9:43 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

Kim Jong Un Offers to Host Peace Talks Between United States and Canada

By Andy Borowitz, The New Yorker

12 June 18



The article below is satire. Andy Borowitz is an American comedian and New York Times-bestselling author who satirizes the news for his column, "The Borowitz Report."


One day before his summit with Donald J. Trump, the North Korean dictator, Kim Jong Un, has offered to host peace talks between the United States and Canada.

Speaking to reporters at his hotel in Singapore, Kim said that the rising tensions between the North American neighbors were posing an “intolerable threat to world peace.”

In addition to offering to host U.S.-Canada talks in Pyongyang, Kim urged the immediate creation of a demilitarized zone along the border separating the two hostile nations.

“In exchange for Canadian Mounties agreeing to stand down on their side of the border, the United States, in turn, would dismantle its nuclear weapons,” Kim said.

Although stating that “North Korea stands ready and willing to be an honest broker” in peace talks between the two countries, he urged Trump to dial back the “inflammatory rhetoric” that he aimed at Canadians over the weekend.

“Violent language and threats have no place in international diplomacy,” Kim said.


https://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/50606-kim-jong-un-offers-to-host-peace-talks-between-united-states-and-canada

13N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/13/2018, 9:53 am

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

PkrBum wrote:Pffft... the despots nukes and missiles are "legitimate". Nothing has happened yet. I'd hope there's actual un verification... without exceptions as with Iran. Self-inspection... lol. If I had to bet right now I'd put it on trump walking away from some point of contention. Then picking it back up in a year or two.

It would be dangerous for Kim as a leader (and also personally) to allow western ideas and unfiltered news to come into his country ... think about that for a moment.   No doubt Kim has.  Whatever else he is ... he's not a stupid man, nor are his advisors.

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So what ... are we going to give this despicable tyrant a personal security guarantee he won't end up as in the photos above?  If not ... why should he give up his nukes? His nukes give him power, prestige, a place on the world stage, and solidify his remaining as leader of the country through the internal propaganda tools it gives him to be having photo-ops with the POTUS as though they are some kind of equals.

Are we going to allow him to remain as an old-school communist dictator who executes his political opponents & locks people up in slave labor camps?   And then build exclusive beach resorts for him and international developers to make money off of?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/here-are-north-koreas-alleged-human-rights-abuses/

I really like my idea better .... we lease a few Trident nuclear subs to South Korea & Japan for many billions of dollars a year (that we can remotely deactivate if we so choose, of course)

It's called "Mutually Assured Destruction" or MAD.  (I'm sure you are familiar with it but here's the wiki on it for ya just in case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_assured_destruction   )

Then we pull all of our military out of South Korea.  We really don't even need to to even maintain an air base in the South as we have plenty of assets right across the pond in Japan for force projection purposes.  Or we could keep an air base there ... no matter.   But putting our troops on/near the DMZ as a cannon-fodder tripwire is an outdated policy IMO.



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14N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/13/2018, 10:04 am

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

PkrBum wrote:Pffft... the despots nukes and missiles are "legitimate". Nothing has happened yet. I'd hope there's actual un verification... without exceptions as with Iran. Self-inspection... lol. If I had to bet right now I'd put it on trump walking away from some point of contention. Then picking it back up in a year or two.

I know one thing that's been verified ..... China's ZTE selling technology to both Iran and North Korea in violation of US and international sanctions on those countries.

15N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/13/2018, 10:25 am

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

PkrBum wrote:Yet you people cheered while obama gave Iran a path to legitimate nuclearization in 7 years... gave the farm away to Cuba in exchange for a selfie w a che mural... overthrew a stable sovereign libya... backed the Muslim brotherhood coup of Egypt... armed terrorists in Syria, libya, and Mexico... and sat on his thumb while China and Russia ran roughshod.

But preliminary talks to denuclearize the Korean peninsula has you triggered. Lol... way to pick your battles.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Reuters Staff



SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korean state media said on Wednesday U.S. President Donald Trump had agreed to lift sanctions against the North in addition to providing security guarantees in the summit with the North’s leader, Kim Jong Un, the previous day.

Trump was cited by North Korea’s official KCNA news agency as saying he made the promise after pledging to end joint military exercises with South Korea.

There was no immediate comment about sanctions from the U.S. side.

Reporting by Christine Kim; Editing by Paul Tait

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-usa-sanctions/north-korea-state-media-says-trump-agreed-to-lift-sanctions-against-north-idUSKBN1J9022

17N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/13/2018, 1:40 pm

Telstar

Telstar

Floridatexan wrote:Kim Jong Un Offers to Host Peace Talks Between United States and Canada

By Andy Borowitz, The New Yorker

12 June 18



The article below is satire. Andy Borowitz is an American comedian and New York Times-bestselling author who satirizes the news for his column, "The Borowitz Report."


One day before his summit with Donald J. Trump, the North Korean dictator, Kim Jong Un, has offered to host peace talks between the United States and Canada.

Speaking to reporters at his hotel in Singapore, Kim said that the rising tensions between the North American neighbors were posing an “intolerable threat to world peace.”

In addition to offering to host U.S.-Canada talks in Pyongyang, Kim urged the immediate creation of a demilitarized zone along the border separating the two hostile nations.

“In exchange for Canadian Mounties agreeing to stand down on their side of the border, the United States, in turn, would dismantle its nuclear weapons,” Kim said.

Although stating that “North Korea stands ready and willing to be an honest broker” in peace talks between the two countries, he urged Trump to dial back the “inflammatory rhetoric” that he aimed at Canadians over the weekend.

“Violent language and threats have no place in international diplomacy,” Kim said.


https://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/50606-kim-jong-un-offers-to-host-peace-talks-between-united-states-and-canada





lol! lol! lol!

18N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/13/2018, 2:17 pm

Guest


Guest

Trump has said that he'll send any agreement to Congress per the constitution. That will make it transparent and enduring. Unlike obama and the pallets of cash and secret side deals. Shocking... I know.

Y'all like to throw around the word dictator... but there's no way you actually know what that word means.

Everything that causes the leftist meltdowns are simply one man's executive orders vacated.

Who's the dictator?

19N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/13/2018, 6:30 pm

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

PkrBum wrote:Trump has said that he'll send any agreement to Congress per the constitution. ....  

Yeah?  Well Trump has said a lot of sh*t and then went and did something different later ... or walked it back somehow or other. At least he gave himself some cover this time around by publicly stating recently that nothing may come of the meeting.

Time will tell on Trump and N Korea I suppose  .... suffice it to say I remain highly skeptical of the whole thing based on the history of N Korea ... and equally so based on the history of Donald J Trump!

20N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/13/2018, 7:25 pm

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Guest

Ya... it seems unlikely.

The only thing I can think of worse would be religious fanatics like Iran's ayatollahs w nukes.

21N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/13/2018, 7:57 pm

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

Haven't read too deeply (yet) on what occurred at this "summit" (and I use that term loosely) .... but from what I have read it's almost kind of sounding like Kim gave Trump his preconditions for further discussions on denuclearization.

If so .... that's kind of backasswards if you ask me.

22N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/14/2018, 9:48 am

zsomething



https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1007152848847634433

Around 50 seconds into this video, Trump salutes a North Korean General. (In one of the most ridiculous hats I've ever seen, just as an aside - "look, mommy, I'm leading twoops!").

Remember when the right-wing chunks of semi-sentient spam pitched a big ol' all-singing, all-dancing technicolor surroundsound conniption shitfit when Obama bowed too deeply to suit them once? I'm betting they suddenly won't remember that, either.

It's funny. Everything the right ever claimed Obama was but had little evidence to support, Trump not only does but triples-down on, and they all drop their banjos and clap their weak lil' forelimbs together and make their hooting noises for him.

Cult 45.

23N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/14/2018, 11:46 am

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

Who knows what's going on int Trump's head about North Korea?  

But IMO if Trump (or anyone else) thinks China is going to stand still for the US changing North Korea into some kind of pro-western or westernized county akin to Japan or South Korea  ..... I'd say he's going to be unpleasantly surprised. I would even go so far as to say it's a pipe dream.

24N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/14/2018, 12:05 pm

zsomething



EmeraldGhost wrote:Who knows what's going on int Trump's head about North Korea?  

But IMO if Trump (or anyone else) thinks China is going to stand still for the US changing North Korea into some kind of pro-western or westernized county akin to Japan or South Korea  ..... I'd say he's going to be unpleasantly surprised.   I would even go so far as to say it's a pipe dream.

Yep, but I doubt they're worried about that too much. Kim keeps a tight reign on information in his country (think as if no news was allowed in the U.S. except FOX and Brietbart), and he's filled his people with the idea that their standard of living is about as good as it gets anywhere in the world, and that America is all evil. He relies upon his people not knowing how bad off they have it, and how much fun and freedom other countries have. If Kim allows anything like a McDonalds in at all, it'll be reserved for the elites... the regular people won't be given access. He's also not going to open those beaches for condos and tourism, like Trump was suggesting, because he doesn't want foreigners coming in and talking to his people, letting them know how the outside world has it.

Henry Rollins jumped through all the hoops to actually get to visit North Korea, and he was followed around constantly and monitored like a hawk, and interrogated by his guards pretty much the whole time he was there. Kim keeps his little box locked down tight. So even if China allowed it, Kim never would. The biggest threat to his rule is information. If his people find out what he's doing and how much better off the rest of the world is, he'll go the way of Ghadafi.

That's kinda why Iran's having a lot of trouble -- Iranians know how repressive their government is, and they actually want to be friendly with the U.S. Their government doesn't, though, so you get a lot of protesting that's eventually going to wear the Iranian government down.

25N. Korean Peace Treaty Empty Re: N. Korean Peace Treaty 6/14/2018, 7:04 pm

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

And don't think Russia is not watching events surrounding North Korea closely either.  I guarantee you they are.   Ever look at a map of the area (I love maps, btw)   Vladivostok is headquarters for their Pacific Fleet ... and just a short distance up the coast from North Korean territory.    (for those unaware ... a portion of Russia actually borders on North Korea)

I note "Little Rocket Man" hasn't made any blustering statements about nuking Vladivostok .... which he could probably easily "reach out & touch" with his relatively limited nuclear capability.

And then there's this:  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-14/there-s-a-gas-pipeline-deal-to-be-done-with-kim-jong-un-any-takers

There's a lot more to the geopolitics of North Korea than you'll hear about on CNN or FoxNews. That goes for Syria and Iran too. Lots of moving parts.



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