To diehard Trumpions, their leader can do no wrong. How should the left fight back?

IMASOCK wrote:Funny that the left feels this way. It's how the right felt under
the oppressive Obama regime. Elections have consequences as you say and so did your savior Obama. Reality.

Sal wrote:The Republican party has gone from a party that glorified status to one that glorifies resentment.

They are virulently anti-intellectual and distrustful of democratic institutions, and willing to swallow any nonsense as long as it's framed in grievance.

It is vulgar tribalism run amok and how we return these miscreants to any semblance of respectability and polity is anyone's guess, but free college tuition sure as hell won't get it done.

Sal wrote:The Republican party has gone from a party that glorified status to one that glorifies resentment.

They are virulently anti-intellectual and distrustful of democratic institutions, and willing to swallow any nonsense as long as it's framed in grievance.

It is vulgar tribalism run amok and how we return these miscreants to any semblance of respectability and polity is anyone's guess, but free college tuition sure as hell won't get it done.

IMASOCK wrote:Funny that the left feels this way. It's how the right felt under the oppressive Obama regime.

IMASOCK wrote:Must you always resort to cussing and now slander?

IMASOCK wrote:Must you always resort to cussing and now slander?

Sal wrote:The Republican party has gone from a party that glorified status to one that glorifies resentment.

They are virulently anti-intellectual and distrustful of democratic institutions, and willing to swallow any nonsense as long as it's framed in grievance.

It is vulgar tribalism run amok and how we return these miscreants to any semblance of respectability and polity is anyone's guess, but free college tuition sure as hell won't get it done.

zsomething wrote:Honestly, a lot of Republicans are just cultists at this point.  To understand 'em, you have to read Eric Hoffer.  

You really can't reach the hardcore ones.  They've been trained like dogs, using old cult tactics.   They're taught that only the news sources favorable to them are "real," so anything with negative news is "false" and are trying to trick them.  They're under attack from everything.   Things are only "fair" if they're heavily slanted in their favor.  No matter how much they're running things or tromping over anyone else's rights, they're the "oppressed" ones.

It's like trying to talk sense to a scientologist.  You're not going to get far with it because they've got everything invested in their belief and will only fight you if you say anything that goes against their programming.  Any attempt to wise them up will only make you be viewed as more of a mistrusted enemy.

They're never going to see the truth about Trump because they're too weak to admit they got duped.  They'll cling to their wrongness like grim death.  It sucks, but some people you just have to write off.

IMASOCK wrote:

Sal wrote:The Republican party has gone from a party that glorified status to one that glorifies resentment.

They are virulently anti-intellectual and distrustful of democratic institutions, and willing to swallow any nonsense as long as it's framed in grievance.

It is vulgar tribalism run amok and how we return these miscreants to any semblance of respectability and polity is anyone's guess, but free college tuition sure as hell won't get it done.

It's a good enough of a party to have sent Democrats packing
During the last three elections losing every bit of power they once had. Pontificate all you want, your party is now irrelevant.

IMASOCK wrote:

zsomething wrote:Honestly, a lot of Republicans are just cultists at this point.  To understand 'em, you have to read Eric Hoffer.  

You really can't reach the hardcore ones.  They've been trained like dogs, using old cult tactics.   They're taught that only the news sources favorable to them are "real," so anything with negative news is "false" and are trying to trick them.  They're under attack from everything.   Things are only "fair" if they're heavily slanted in their favor.  No matter how much they're running things or tromping over anyone else's rights, they're the "oppressed" ones.

It's like trying to talk sense to a scientologist.  You're not going to get far with it because they've got everything invested in their belief and will only fight you if you say anything that goes against their programming.  Any attempt to wise them up will only make you be viewed as more of a mistrusted enemy.

They're never going to see the truth about Trump because they're too weak to admit they got duped.  They'll cling to their wrongness like grim death.  It sucks, but some people you just have to write off.

Says the guy who has a party at the bottom of the political spectrum watching
The last eight years of Obama get washed down the drain.

IMASOCK wrote:

zsomething wrote:Honestly, a lot of Republicans are just cultists at this point.  To understand 'em, you have to read Eric Hoffer.  

You really can't reach the hardcore ones.  They've been trained like dogs, using old cult tactics.   They're taught that only the news sources favorable to them are "real," so anything with negative news is "false" and are trying to trick them.  They're under attack from everything.   Things are only "fair" if they're heavily slanted in their favor.  No matter how much they're running things or tromping over anyone else's rights, they're the "oppressed" ones.

It's like trying to talk sense to a scientologist.  You're not going to get far with it because they've got everything invested in their belief and will only fight you if you say anything that goes against their programming.  Any attempt to wise them up will only make you be viewed as more of a mistrusted enemy.

They're never going to see the truth about Trump because they're too weak to admit they got duped.  They'll cling to their wrongness like grim death.  It sucks, but some people you just have to write off.

Says the guy who has a party at the bottom of the political spectrum watching
The last eight years of Obama get washed down the drain.

Sal wrote:You seem to think that we are disagreeing.

We are not.

We all bore witness to the awesome and terrifying power of your collective idiocy, which against all odds, allowed the ascendance of an abject moron to the Presidency of the United States of America.

We are all living in the idiocracy of your creation.

Cherish it, PeeDawg.

zsomething wrote:

IMASOCK wrote:

zsomething wrote:Honestly, a lot of Republicans are just cultists at this point.  To understand 'em, you have to read Eric Hoffer.  

You really can't reach the hardcore ones.  They've been trained like dogs, using old cult tactics.   They're taught that only the news sources favorable to them are "real," so anything with negative news is "false" and are trying to trick them.  They're under attack from everything.   Things are only "fair" if they're heavily slanted in their favor.  No matter how much they're running things or tromping over anyone else's rights, they're the "oppressed" ones.

It's like trying to talk sense to a scientologist.  You're not going to get far with it because they've got everything invested in their belief and will only fight you if you say anything that goes against their programming.  Any attempt to wise them up will only make you be viewed as more of a mistrusted enemy.

They're never going to see the truth about Trump because they're too weak to admit they got duped.  They'll cling to their wrongness like grim death.  It sucks, but some people you just have to write off.

Says the guy who has a party at the bottom of the political spectrum watching
The last eight years of Obama get washed down the drain.

You do realize that the Democrats being out of power does absolutely zero to disprove that your political party has turned into a mindless cult, right?  

The Nazis also took power in Germany for a couple of decades, but history has proven them to be a deranged disaster and the biggest mistake the German people ever made.   Sometimes people choose things that are bad for them.  You can't prove correctness with consensus.  There are billions of religious people out there, for instance, firmly believing in a thing.  If they're all not wrong, which is likely, then at least billions of them are for having the wrong god.  They're not all going to be right... but they all have millions of adherents who think they are.

Trump's in power, yes, but that doesn't mean it's right.  He's just another mistake that brainwashed people -- like you -- made.

As far as eight years of Obama getting washed down the drain, I know that pleases your mindless follower kind just out of spite, but so far it hasn't improved America in any way.  It's wrecking our international reputation and positioning us behind other countries in global trade... and, it's about to hurt a lot of people's health care, and that's likely to wallop the economy.  

But you don't care about any of that, because all you care about is "ha ha, now I get to taunt Democrats."   After a while you're going to see that winning isn't necessarily a good thing if your party can't govern successfully.  And, it can't.  The South proves that.  

IMASOCK wrote:

Delusions of grandeur run amok. Enjoy the next 7.5 years of Trump. I'm guaranteeing that more allies will return to America that Obama drove away and that enemies like Iran and Russia will be put back in their place and not sucked up to or appeased.