Democrats lost rust belt voters, image problems

othershoe1030 wrote:Van Jones had a very informative program on recently about the messy truth about democracy; maybe some of you saw it also? The family of Democrats who had voted for President Obama twice and switched to Trump this past election explained why they did so. I can very much see their point.

gatorfan wrote:Unfortunately HRC said "jobs" a lot and claimed she had "plans" - for example to replace coal jobs with clean energy type employment. As we well know that's a pipe dream for economic reasons. It's one thing to talk about jobs and quite another to actually force legislation or convince private industry to invest in technology that - for now - is not cost-effective. I think she was willing to lead an attempt at energy jobs reform but a willingness to do something is not the same as reality. Too many people saw through the smoke and mirrors. So now the country is stuck with the Donald, like it or not. Let's see what he is willing to try.

Markle wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:Van Jones had a very informative program on recently about the messy truth about democracy; maybe some of you saw it also? The family of Democrats who had voted for President Obama twice and switched to Trump this past election explained why they did so. I can very much see their point.

Yes, let's listen to Van Jones, Racist Communist formerly the "Green Czar" for Lame Duck President Barack Hussein Obama.

othershoe1030 wrote:

Markle wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:Van Jones had a very informative program on recently about the messy truth about democracy; maybe some of you saw it also? The family of Democrats who had voted for President Obama twice and switched to Trump this past election explained why they did so. I can very much see their point.

Yes, let's listen to Van Jones, Racist Communist formerly the "Green Czar" for Lame Duck President Barack Hussein Obama.

ROFLMAO!!! Thank you for my laugh of the day Markle. I KNOW how desperately you hate the well educated thoughtful person Van Jones and I had a special joy in posting this clip, knowing you would be so pleased! Thank you for not disappointing!

Van Jones is a Communist who was forced to resign his "Czar" position with Lame Duck President Barack Hussein Obama when his background came to light.  In the photo I provided, Van Jones is speaking in favor of releasing from prison, Mumia Abu Jamal.  

Sal wrote:They don't have a point.

They are rust belt rubes and coal field clodhoppers who were sold a bill of goods and will now be sent down the river without a paddle.

While we're all waiting for the announcement out of Camp Runamuck that George (The Animal) Steele will be the next Fed chairman, the elves in the Congress are busy, busy, busy selling out the Rust Belt suckers to whom, if the guilt-ridden elite political media is to be believed, we all owe a cookie for the next decade. First up, the coal miners! From the MetroNews in West Virginia:

   The Miners Protection Act to address health and pension benefits for coal miners and their families will not be included in a continuing resolution bill, according to a Tuesday announcement. Congress said the bill, which would continue to fund the federal government, only has four months of funding for those retired miners and their widows. Cecil Roberts, international president of the United Mine Workers of America, called the announcement "a slap in the face to all 22,000 of them who desperately need their health care next month, next year and for the rest of their lives."

But, wait, isn't West Virginia represented in the Senate by that highly influential Democrat, Joe Manchin, who's been running around telling every camera crew inside the Beltway that that his party has to get right with the workin' man? Yeah, he's got the juice, no question.

   Approximately 12,500 retired union miners and the widows of retirees stand to lose their pension and health care benefits across the nation.

Next up, the steelworkers! There was a nifty provision in a bill to improve the nation's sorry-ass water infrastructure by which those improvements would be made with American steel made by American steelworkers. This surely would have provided a substantial job at good wages for American workers, who are the salt of the earth, and who abandoned Hillary Rodham Clinton because she did not "speak" to them, nor give them cookies, either.

Ah, my friends. You reckoned without our favorite zombie-eyed granny starver from the state of Wisconsin, as his congressional colleague Senator Tammy Baldwin informs us.

   Last Thursday night in Cincinnati, on the first stop of his "Thank You Tour," Trump said his infrastructure plan would follow two simple rules: "Buy American and hire American. We're going to do it ourselves." However, on Friday, the media reported that Speaker Ryan was leading a push to remove the Buy America reform from Water Resources Development Act (WRDA). Senator Baldwin joined a bipartisan a group of 25 Senators in sending a letter to House and Senate leaders calling for her Buy America provision to be put back into the final bill to support U.S. steel and iron workers and manufacturers.

Senator Sherrod Brown was not pleased, either.

   "By stripping meaningful Buy America rules from the water infrastructure bill, Washington leadership is choosing China and Russia over Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin," said Brown. "This was the first major test of whether Washington establishment Republicans would live up to President-elect Trump's promises to put American products and American workers first – they failed, and American iron and steel workers will pay the price." The original Buy America rule in the Senate bill would have permanently amended the Safe Drinking Water Act to require American-made steel and iron be used in infrastructure projects funded by the Safe Drinking Water State Revolving Fund (DWSRF). Instead, Republican leaders stripped that language and replaced it with a one-year provision that is already in effect and does nothing to further ensure American steel and iron will be used in water infrastructure projects moving forward.

Folks, you're being sold down the river. I feel for you because selling you down the river is not good for the country. It never was. It is not immigrants who are selling you down the river. It is not minorities who are selling you down the river. It is not LGBTQ folks who are selling you down the river. Please remember all of that when you wake up pissed that you're, you know, down the river. If you look around the table and can't figure out who the mark is…

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a51379/donald-trump-america-first/

PkrBum wrote:You either know very little about Jones... or now openly support communism.

And y'all wonder why you lost... lol.

othershoe1030 wrote:

PkrBum wrote:You either know very little about Jones... or now openly support communism.

And y'all wonder why you lost... lol.

Perhaps you are the one in need of finding out more about Van Jones. I think he's wonderful. I suppose you admire, who?

Anthony Kapel "Van" Jones (born September 20, 1968) is an American political activist, commentator, author and attorney. He is a cofounder of several nonprofit organizations including the Dream Corps, a "social justice accelerator"[3] which presently operates three advocacy initiatives: #cut50, #YesWeCode and Green for All. He is the author of two New York Times bestselling books, The Green Collar Economy and Rebuild the Dream. He has served as President Barack Obama’s Special Advisor for Green Jobs,[4] as a distinguished visiting fellow at Princeton University,[5] and as a co-host of CNN’s political debate show Crossfire.[6] He is currently President of Dream Corps and a regular CNN contributor.

In 2004, Jones was recognized as a "Young Global Leader" by the World Economic Forum.[7] In 2008, Fast Company called Jones one of the "12 Most Creative Minds in 2008".[8] In 2009, Time magazine named Jones one of the 100 most influential people in the world.[9] In 2010, he was the recipient of the NAACP President's award.[10] After the death of the musician Prince in April 2016 it was revealed that Jones acted as an advisor and go-between, helping the artist anonymously fund humanitarian work.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones

Telstar wrote:Communists are out this year, fascists like Trump and the goose stepping idiots that voted for him are in this year.

Markle wrote:

Telstar wrote:Communists are out this year, fascists like Trump and the goose stepping idiots that voted for him are in this year.

Yeah, I thought so.  "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

Telstar wrote:

Markle wrote:

Telstar wrote:Communists are out this year, fascists like Trump and the goose stepping idiots that voted for him are in this year.

Yeah, I thought so.  "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

I'm sure you divorced yourself from the truth long, long ago.

Markle wrote:

Telstar wrote:

Markle wrote:

Telstar wrote:Communists are out this year, fascists like Trump and the goose stepping idiots that voted for him are in this year.

Yeah, I thought so.  "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"

I'm sure you divorced yourself from the truth long, long ago.

Still...you have NOTHING.  Surprise...surprise!

Why are you afraid of my threads?  Can't think for yourself?

Markle wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

PkrBum wrote:You either know very little about Jones... or now openly support communism.

And y'all wonder why you lost... lol.

Perhaps you are the one in need of finding out more about Van Jones. I think he's wonderful. I suppose you admire, who?

Anthony Kapel "Van" Jones (born September 20, 1968) is an American political activist, commentator, author and attorney. He is a cofounder of several nonprofit organizations including the Dream Corps, a "social justice accelerator"[3] which presently operates three advocacy initiatives: #cut50, #YesWeCode and Green for All. He is the author of two New York Times bestselling books, The Green Collar Economy and Rebuild the Dream. He has served as President Barack Obama’s Special Advisor for Green Jobs,[4] as a distinguished visiting fellow at Princeton University,[5] and as a co-host of CNN’s political debate show Crossfire.[6] He is currently President of Dream Corps and a regular CNN contributor.

In 2004, Jones was recognized as a "Young Global Leader" by the World Economic Forum.[7] In 2008, Fast Company called Jones one of the "12 Most Creative Minds in 2008".[8] In 2009, Time magazine named Jones one of the 100 most influential people in the world.[9] In 2010, he was the recipient of the NAACP President's award.[10] After the death of the musician Prince in April 2016 it was revealed that Jones acted as an advisor and go-between, helping the artist anonymously fund humanitarian work.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Jones

From Wikipedia...hmmmm...written and edited by...Van Jones.

Are you questioning any of the awards or honors he received?

You won't have to stomach to read the FACTS but I'll provide a source for you anyway.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2406

Excerpts....

Became a Communist in the aftermath of the 1992 "Rodney King riots" in Los Angeles

Founded the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights in 1996

Here is a link to the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights if you have the stomach to read about it. http://ellabakercenter.org/our-work

Was active in the anti-Iraq War demonstrations organized by International ANSWER

Suspected that the Bush administration "may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war"

Served as a board member of the Rainforest Action Network

OOHH, working to preserve the rainforest, so subversive!!! From their website: Rainforest Action Network runs hard-hitting campaigns to break North America’s fossil fuels addiction, protect endangered forests and Indigenous rights, and stop destructive investments around the world through education, grassroots organizing, and non-violent direct action.

RAN fights for people and planet by working at the intersection of three core issues:

Preserving Rainforests;
Protecting the Climate; and
Defending Human Rights.
And, unlike any other organization, RAN does this through the lens of corporate accountability. So what does that mean?

That means RAN tackles some of the biggest corporations, banks, and global institutions on the planet. Traditionally, RAN works closely with local leaders to launch strategic corporate campaigns employing tactics such as

high-profile, direct communication and public awareness campaigns;
peaceful direct actions against our targets;
coordinated media and social media campaigns;
highly researched and detailed reports;
grassroots organizing;
and high-level negotiations — and relentless follow-up to make sure promises are kept.
RAN takes on these campaigns not to change the behavior of individual companies, but to change the practices and business culture of whole industrial sectors.

And we get results.

Since 1985, RAN has been one of the most effective and innovative activist organizations in the United States. We partner with local, indigenous and frontline communities to create smart campaigns that exert pressure and extract actionable policies from corporate culprits responsible for rainforest destruction, massive pollution, and pushing species toward extinction. And RAN demands that human rights, labor rights, and local and indigenous rights are fundamental to any new corporate policies.

But we cannot do any of this without our supporters. We depend on people like you all across the globe to preserve rainforests, protect the climate and defend human rights today.

Watch 30 Years of Rainforest Action Network to learn more about what we do and why we do it.
https://www.cheerfulgiving.com/organization/rainforest-action-network?gclid=CjwKEAiAyanCBRDkiO6M_rDroH0SJAAfZ4KL6lYpHp5V2SfW832GVQQwcZm6km98hXJlnyH2LOlm4xoClvzw_wcB

and Free Press
In March 2009, President Barack Obama named Jones to be his so-called “green jobs czar.”

Has been a senior fellow with the Center for American Progress

[...]

Recalling his brief incarceration, Jones says:


Reading this line about his "brief incarceration" one is led to believe that he was charged, tried and convicted of something and  imprisoned, when in fact: Although the charges against Jones were dropped, Jones said that while in jail, "I met all these young radical people of color — I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.' I spent the next 10 years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary."
“I met all these young radical people of color. I mean really radical: communists and anarchists. And it was, like, ‘This is what I need to be a part of.’ I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary.”

Soon after the riots, Jones wrote an essay wherein he said:

"Our moment had finally come! We were righteous, fired up, weren't takin' no more! We were one thousand strong on Market Street, with the Bay Bridge shut down in rush hour traffic and the grounds around the state building swarming with angry mobs! Our rallying cry was for justice; our demand was that the System be changed! Yes, the Great Revolutionary Moment had at long last come. And the time, clearly, was ours! So we stole stuff. Y'know, stole stuff. Radios, tennis shoes. Well, not everybody, of course."

I bet you love two other dear friends of Lame Duck President Barack Hussein Obama, Communist Bill Ayers and his wife Communist Bernardine Dohrn.
 

othershoe1030 wrote:
I admire Jones for his views on civil rights and his desire to preserve the environment, his work on mitigating climate change. I think he has a lot to contribute. I think it would be throwing the baby out with the bath water to say we shouldn't use his energy and insight and organizational skills because of a rather brief and extreme period in his political development. I mean even Ronald Reagan was a leader of a union back in the day and his views evolved over time. I think we would be wise to not dismiss people like Jones in this over the top way you have of making a big deal out of a situation that no longer exists.

I swear, if Trump suddenly or even gradually changed his actions and started putting policies into place that truly improved the condition of workers and the middle class, made health care better and less expensive for everyone, revealed his income tax records and divested himself of all of his enterprises I would be the first one applauding his actions. I would not hold his current situation against him but would welcome him to the community of caring individuals. What are the chances of any of those things happening? I don't know but people do change or see a better way of accomplishing their goals. I think that's what happened to Jones. BTW his actual title in the Obama Administration was special adviser for green jobs at the Council on Environmental Quality. Here is an excerpt from an article by politifact that quotes some of Jones's writings.

But check out these two statements and see if this sounds like a communist.

This, from his book, The Green Collar Economy , released in October 2008:

"There will surely be an important role for nonprofit voluntary, cooperative, and community-based solutions," Jones writes on page 86. "But the reality is that we are entering an era during which our very survival will demand invention and innovation on a scale never before seen in the history of human civilization. Only the business community has the requisite skills, experience, and capital to meet that need. On that score, neither the government nor the nonprofit and voluntary sectors can compete, not even remotely.

"So in the end, our success and survival as a species are largely and directly tied to the new eco-entrepreneurs — and the success and survival of their enterprises. Since almost all of the needed eco-technologies are likely to come from the private sector, civic leaders and voters should do all that can be done to help green business leaders succeed. That means, in large part, electing leaders who will pass bills to aid them. We cannot realistically proceed without a strong alliance between the best of the business world — and everyone else."

Or how about this, from an address before the Center for American Progress on Nov. 19, 2008 (well before Jones was brought into the Obama administration):

"Everything that is good for the environment, everything that's needed to beat global warming, is a job," Jones said. "Solar panels don't manufacture themselves. Wind turbines don't manufacture themselves. Homes don't weatherize themselves. Every single thing that we need to beat global warming will also beat the recession. And the challenge is, how do we get the government to be a smart, and limited, catalyst in getting the private sector to take on this challenge?"

That doesn't sound Marxist to us.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/08/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-says-van-jones-avowed-communist/

othershoe1030 wrote:

PkrBum wrote:You either know very little about Jones... or now openly support communism.

And y'all wonder why you lost... lol.

That doesn't sound Marxist to us.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/08/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-says-van-jones-avowed-communist/

Markle wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

Markle wrote:

othershoe1030 wrote:

PkrBum wrote:You either know very little about Jones... or now openly support communism.

And y'all wonder why you lost... lol.

That doesn't sound Marxist to us.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/sep/08/glenn-beck/glenn-beck-says-van-jones-avowed-communist/

You sure did skip many of the facts I posted from a reliable source.

Then you post something from Politifact, a source that has been proven to be a far left source.

How do you defend such a person as Van Jones?  A Communist and fervent supporter of Cop Killers?  How does one ignore his beliefs?