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Protest: From Chicago to L.A., from Oregon to Washington, DC, from San Diego to NY City ...

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Apparently the massive protests of people who will not and cannot accept a sexual abuser, misogynist, racist, unstable, short-tempered Pussy Grabber as their President, was not a short-term thing. The protests which now involve TENS OF THOUSANDS of participants continue to occur -- Washington, DC is the current venue.

And meanwhile, at the Swamp he promised to drain, Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell are huffing and puffing to bring bills forward that (among many others) will privatize social security and do away with Medicare, make abortion a capital offense, restrict the availability of birth control meds, and remove all federal judges with Mexican familial ties.

Any one here want to bet on the odds for a peaceful presidential transition?

And back in 2016, the American people overwhelmingly elected a Pussy-Grabber with a dead rat on his head as their president. That was three years prior to when the country was annexed by Russia and the first Donald-the-Great became our Emperor.

Down with Trumpland!

Guest


Guest

You forgot nazi.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:You forgot nazi.


Good point, thanks

Guest


Guest

If you can't remember and regurgitate the talkingpoints comrade... just go burn something down.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:If you can't remember and regurgitate the talkingpoints comrade... just go burn something down.


The pen is mightier than the sword, dummy.

6Protest: From Chicago to L.A., from Oregon to Washington, DC, from San Diego to NY City ... Empty This Was Written in May ... 11/13/2016, 10:53 am

Sal

Sal

... it may well be the most prescient thing I've ever read.

It's long, but well worth your time ... be you Republican or Democrat or neither.

We are living in remarkable and terrifying times.


As this dystopian election campaign has unfolded, my mind keeps being tugged by a passage in Plato’s Republic. It has unsettled — even surprised — me from the moment I first read it in graduate school. The passage is from the part of the dialogue where Socrates and his friends are talking about the nature of different political systems, how they change over time, and how one can slowly evolve into another. And Socrates seemed pretty clear on one sobering point: that “tyranny is probably established out of no other regime than democracy.” What did Plato mean by that? Democracy, for him, I discovered, was a political system of maximal freedom and equality, where every lifestyle is allowed and public offices are filled by a lottery. And the longer a democracy lasted, Plato argued, the more democratic it would become. Its freedoms would multiply; its equality spread. Deference to any sort of authority would wither; tolerance of any kind of inequality would come under intense threat; and multiculturalism and sexual freedom would create a city or a country like “a many-colored cloak decorated in all hues.”

....................

For Trump is not just a wacky politician of the far right, or a riveting television spectacle, or a Twitter phenom and bizarre working-class hero. He is not just another candidate to be parsed and analyzed by TV pundits in the same breath as all the others. In terms of our liberal democracy and constitutional order, Trump is an extinction-level event. It’s long past time we started treating him as such.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Sal wrote:... it may well be the most prescient thing I've ever read.

It's long, but well worth your time ... be you Republican or Democrat or neither.

We are living in remarkable and terrifying times.


As this dystopian election campaign has unfolded, my mind keeps being tugged by a passage in Plato’s Republic. It has unsettled — even surprised — me from the moment I first read it in graduate school. The passage is from the part of the dialogue where Socrates and his friends are talking about the nature of different political systems, how they change over time, and how one can slowly evolve into another. And Socrates seemed pretty clear on one sobering point: that “tyranny is probably established out of no other regime than democracy.” What did Plato mean by that? Democracy, for him, I discovered, was a political system of maximal freedom and equality, where every lifestyle is allowed and public offices are filled by a lottery. And the longer a democracy lasted, Plato argued, the more democratic it would become. Its freedoms would multiply; its equality spread. Deference to any sort of authority would wither; tolerance of any kind of inequality would come under intense threat; and multiculturalism and sexual freedom would create a city or a country like “a many-colored cloak decorated in all hues.”

....................

For Trump is not just a wacky politician of the far right, or a riveting television spectacle, or a Twitter phenom and bizarre working-class hero. He is not just another candidate to be parsed and analyzed by TV pundits in the same breath as all the others. In terms of our liberal democracy and constitutional order, Trump is an extinction-level event. It’s long past time we started treating him as such.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html

Well stated Sal. Thanks!!

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:If you can't remember and regurgitate the talkingpoints comrade... just go burn something down.


The pen is mightier than the sword, dummy.

If your fellow Progressives, Socialists, and Progressives believe that, why are they rioting in the streets and so degrading themselves. With each riot and fire, they are reinforcing every vote cast for Donald Trump and convincing others they were wrong in voting for crooked Hillary Clinton.

However your quote does prove Donald Trump is right in bypassing the biased liberal media and going directly to the people through Twitter and other internet mediums.

In 2008, Barack Hussein Obama bypassed the media and went directly to the public via the internet.

Hillary Clinton stayed as far as a way to avoid the public as humanly possible. She totally avoided holding rallies and meeting with as few people as possible. They dismissed the flyover states as irrelevant and unimportant. She never visited Wisconsin, a traditional BLUE state, and Michigan, another BLUE state and took them for granted.

Then you selected a deeply flawed candidate who, IF she could have won, would have so much baggage dragging behind her she'd have needed a separate cargo plane to trail behind Air Force One for all the files and computers needed just to defend her FBI, IRS, CIA and other investigations.

How could she find time to actually run the country what with all her meetings with defense attorneys.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Sal wrote:... it may well be the most prescient thing I've ever read.

It's long, but well worth your time ... be you Republican or Democrat or neither.

We are living in remarkable and terrifying times.


As this dystopian election campaign has unfolded, my mind keeps being tugged by a passage in Plato’s Republic. It has unsettled — even surprised — me from the moment I first read it in graduate school. The passage is from the part of the dialogue where Socrates and his friends are talking about the nature of different political systems, how they change over time, and how one can slowly evolve into another. And Socrates seemed pretty clear on one sobering point: that “tyranny is probably established out of no other regime than democracy.” What did Plato mean by that? Democracy, for him, I discovered, was a political system of maximal freedom and equality, where every lifestyle is allowed and public offices are filled by a lottery. And the longer a democracy lasted, Plato argued, the more democratic it would become. Its freedoms would multiply; its equality spread. Deference to any sort of authority would wither; tolerance of any kind of inequality would come under intense threat; and multiculturalism and sexual freedom would create a city or a country like “a many-colored cloak decorated in all hues.”

....................

For Trump is not just a wacky politician of the far right, or a riveting television spectacle, or a Twitter phenom and bizarre working-class hero. He is not just another candidate to be parsed and analyzed by TV pundits in the same breath as all the others. In terms of our liberal democracy and constitutional order, Trump is an extinction-level event. It’s long past time we started treating him as such.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html

It looks as if we have just been through the slickest coup masquerading as an election. Outsider is one thing, clueless is another.

First we get no income tax documents and now we discover there is no law covering conflict of interest for the president and vice president, unlike the rest of government employees.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-donald-trump-as-president-wouldnt-face-conflict-of-interest-laws-1467648595

This brings us to the issue of how the Trump family business is to be run while he's in office. His first proposal is to have his grown children run it while he's running the country; not exactly a blind trust. Now we learn that The PGWADROHH (something about a dead rat on his head) wants his children to be his advisors in his job as president. They can't be real employees due to rules forbidding nepotism but gee, he wants them to be in on all the goings on; he trusts them and apparently has few other advisors? What background they have in international affairs I do not know. So...as a result of this advisory position he is now asking that they be granted top secret security clearances. Are you getting nervous yet?

So the Commander in Chief will be running all the affairs of the nation while in close touch with his children who know all our secrets and can use any of this information to further their business interests.

In addition to apparently being quite unaware of what's involved in the traditional transition process we have Mike Pence (who is heading this transition effort) making the decision to stay on as governor of Indiana until January 9th. I guess he thinks things are so well in hand in DC that he is not needed?

This is a real car wreck. I wish I could just turn off the news but this is American history in the making and I can't look away.

knothead

knothead

othershoe1030 wrote:
Sal wrote:... it may well be the most prescient thing I've ever read.

It's long, but well worth your time ... be you Republican or Democrat or neither.

We are living in remarkable and terrifying times.


As this dystopian election campaign has unfolded, my mind keeps being tugged by a passage in Plato’s Republic. It has unsettled — even surprised — me from the moment I first read it in graduate school. The passage is from the part of the dialogue where Socrates and his friends are talking about the nature of different political systems, how they change over time, and how one can slowly evolve into another. And Socrates seemed pretty clear on one sobering point: that “tyranny is probably established out of no other regime than democracy.” What did Plato mean by that? Democracy, for him, I discovered, was a political system of maximal freedom and equality, where every lifestyle is allowed and public offices are filled by a lottery. And the longer a democracy lasted, Plato argued, the more democratic it would become. Its freedoms would multiply; its equality spread. Deference to any sort of authority would wither; tolerance of any kind of inequality would come under intense threat; and multiculturalism and sexual freedom would create a city or a country like “a many-colored cloak decorated in all hues.”

....................

For Trump is not just a wacky politician of the far right, or a riveting television spectacle, or a Twitter phenom and bizarre working-class hero. He is not just another candidate to be parsed and analyzed by TV pundits in the same breath as all the others. In terms of our liberal democracy and constitutional order, Trump is an extinction-level event. It’s long past time we started treating him as such.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html

It looks as if we have just been through the slickest coup masquerading as an election. Outsider is one thing, clueless is another.

First we get no income tax documents and now we discover there is no law covering conflict of interest for the president and vice president, unlike the rest of government employees.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-donald-trump-as-president-wouldnt-face-conflict-of-interest-laws-1467648595

This brings us to the issue of how the Trump family business is to be run while he's in office. His first proposal is to have his grown children run it while he's running the country; not exactly a blind trust. Now we learn that The PGWADROHH (something about a dead rat on his head) wants his children to be his advisors in his job as president. They can't be real employees due to rules forbidding nepotism but gee, he wants them to be in on all the goings on; he trusts them and apparently has few other advisors? What background they have in international affairs I do not know. So...as a result of this advisory position he is now asking that they be granted top secret security clearances. Are you getting nervous yet?

So the Commander in Chief will be running all the affairs of the nation while in close touch with his children who know all our secrets and can use any of this information to further their business interests.

In addition to apparently being quite unaware of what's involved in the traditional transition process we have Mike Pence (who is heading this transition effort) making the decision to stay on as governor of Indiana until January 9th. I guess he thinks things are so well in hand in DC that he is not needed?

This is a real car wreck. I wish I could just turn off the news but this is American history in the making and I can't look away.

Great post OS . . . .

Vikingwoman



They have no background in international affairs but will be advisors for a whole country. Oh and it's going to get worse.

Telstar

Telstar

Vikingwoman wrote:They have no background in international affairs but will be advisors for a whole country. Oh and it's going to get worse.



Yes, much worse.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

knothead wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:
Sal wrote:... it may well be the most prescient thing I've ever read.

It's long, but well worth your time ... be you Republican or Democrat or neither.

We are living in remarkable and terrifying times.


As this dystopian election campaign has unfolded, my mind keeps being tugged by a passage in Plato’s Republic. It has unsettled — even surprised — me from the moment I first read it in graduate school. The passage is from the part of the dialogue where Socrates and his friends are talking about the nature of different political systems, how they change over time, and how one can slowly evolve into another. And Socrates seemed pretty clear on one sobering point: that “tyranny is probably established out of no other regime than democracy.” What did Plato mean by that? Democracy, for him, I discovered, was a political system of maximal freedom and equality, where every lifestyle is allowed and public offices are filled by a lottery. And the longer a democracy lasted, Plato argued, the more democratic it would become. Its freedoms would multiply; its equality spread. Deference to any sort of authority would wither; tolerance of any kind of inequality would come under intense threat; and multiculturalism and sexual freedom would create a city or a country like “a many-colored cloak decorated in all hues.”

....................

For Trump is not just a wacky politician of the far right, or a riveting television spectacle, or a Twitter phenom and bizarre working-class hero. He is not just another candidate to be parsed and analyzed by TV pundits in the same breath as all the others. In terms of our liberal democracy and constitutional order, Trump is an extinction-level event. It’s long past time we started treating him as such.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html

It looks as if we have just been through the slickest coup masquerading as an election. Outsider is one thing, clueless is another.

First we get no income tax documents and now we discover there is no law covering conflict of interest for the president and vice president, unlike the rest of government employees.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-donald-trump-as-president-wouldnt-face-conflict-of-interest-laws-1467648595

This brings us to the issue of how the Trump family business is to be run while he's in office. His first proposal is to have his grown children run it while he's running the country; not exactly a blind trust. Now we learn that The PGWADROHH (something about a dead rat on his head) wants his children to be his advisors in his job as president. They can't be real employees due to rules forbidding nepotism but gee, he wants them to be in on all the goings on; he trusts them and apparently has few other advisors? What background they have in international affairs I do not know. So...as a result of this advisory position he is now asking that they be granted top secret security clearances. Are you getting nervous yet?

So the Commander in Chief will be running all the affairs of the nation while in close touch with his children who know all our secrets and can use any of this information to further their business interests.

In addition to apparently being quite unaware of what's involved in the traditional transition process we have Mike Pence (who is heading this transition effort) making the decision to stay on as governor of Indiana until January 9th. I guess he thinks things are so well in hand in DC that he is not needed?

This is a real car wreck. I wish I could just turn off the news but this is American history in the making and I can't look away.

Great post OS . . . .

Thank you. I try to take the long view and not get upset to the hair on fire degree seen in some quarters for example reactions and fears re President Obama's administration. I try to keep a perspective. It is important to deal only with facts and not get carried away with conjecture or react to outright untruths spread by extreme spokesmen.

However at this point the work of connecting the dots that we've seen from the Trump camp does not give me much hope. The combination of inexperience, narrow world view, secrecy of his business dealings, unknown obligations of that business, his access to military power as CIC, science denying attitudes toward climate concerns and more are quite alarming.

The ship of state is huge with much momentum. The direction cannot be changed quickly. This new administration will thankfully have to deal with Congress. I have to believe that the true patriotism of those in Congress will serve to blunt some of the more dangerous intentions of Trump-thought.

I am sick at heart.

Sal

Sal

othershoe1030 wrote:

The ship of state is huge with much momentum. The direction cannot be changed quickly. This new administration will thankfully have to deal with Congress. I have to believe that the true patriotism of those in Congress will serve to blunt some of the more dangerous intentions of Trump-thought.

I am sick at heart.

Two thoughts ...

1) Regarding the ship of state, your observation is true. But, if he starts setting off hand grenades left and right, as it appears he is prepared to do, it will start sinking quickly.

and ...

2) If we are relying on Congress for temperance and rationality, we are truly and completely fucked.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Sal wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:

The ship of state is huge with much momentum. The direction cannot be changed quickly. This new administration will thankfully have to deal with Congress. I have to believe that the true patriotism of those in Congress will serve to blunt some of the more dangerous intentions of Trump-thought.

I am sick at heart.

Two thoughts ...

1)  Regarding the ship of state, your observation is true.  But, if he starts setting off hand grenades left and right, as it appears he is prepared to do, it will start sinking quickly.

and ...

2)  If we are relying on Congress for temperance and rationality, we are truly and completely fucked.

I agree. I'm listening to Paul Ryan talking about creating jobs disregarding the state of employment in 2008, losses of over 800,000 jobs PER MONTH compared to

https://www.dpcc.senate.gov/?p=blog&id=462

One thing I've mentioned before and Paul Ryan just referenced, the attitude of the American People saying most thought the country was going in the wrong direction.

I do not think it is safe to assume that the direction they long for includes such things as doing away with Medicare and privatizing Social Security. A change in direction could just as easily mean they think we need to move more to the types of policies advocated by Bernie Sanders.

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