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The death of Keith Scott -- another view

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Stills from various videos of the Keith Scott killing, clearly show that Scott was indeed wearing a black nylon ankle holster.

Holsters are for guns and now there should be little doubt the victim had a handgun.  Nothing I've seen thus far reveals whether Scott was carrying his gun or pointing it, etc.

I'm beginning to think that the deaths of so many black men at the hands of cops is not based as much on race, as on class.

Let me explain; There should be no doubt that most urban black neighborhoods suffer from ultra-high unemployment, poor schooling and educational incentive, a high proportion of children being raised without a live-in father's presence, and overall, a lifestyle dictated by an almost total lack of integration.  Black Americans living in these environments don't grow-up "American." They grow up black.  Such an environment, overwhelmed by poverty promotes narcotics dealing, prostitution, gangs and greatly increased criminal activity.  Chicago's notorious black on black homicide record attests to these deplorable and demoralizing aspects.

Obviously, the majority of whites who come into these neighborhoods on a daily basis are cops.  Invaders with guns, occupiers, enforcers.  Law enforcement officers tasked to enforce the rules in these ghettos know they are endangering their lives every working day.  Of course their adrenaline levels go up.  And because of the situation I've described, they have to be ready to use deadly force.

From these perspectives, life in a black urban ghetto becomes a war zone -- for the residents and the police.  The "us" vs. "them" mode becomes an ever increasing daily reality.  

Is it based on racism?  White cops vs black citizens?  In one sense, the answer is yes.  But what should be considered, is it would be the same situation if the residents were all yellow, all brown, or all green.

The conflict between the police and the residents of black urban ghettos isn't based on racism, it's based on an economic system whose leaders continue to isolate and subjugate a minority.  And the basis of that insanity stems from nearly three centuries of white people looking at black people as less than human.  It's first class capitalist leaders looking at second class citizens, and exercising the belief that there's more profit (or less costs) keeping black urban ghettos isolated.

What else can better describe the emotions of the half-dozen or so cops who truly did feel the need to gun down Keith Scott BEFORE he tried to kill them?

Face it, most blacks are not highly educated or celebrated like Denzel Washington, Dr. Ben Carson, or Spike Jones.  But there can be no argument there are African-American leaders, thinkers, writers, teachers, doctors, entrepreneurs -- thousands of them who have invested themselves in their dreams and succeeded financially as well as by making significant contributions to American society as a whole.  

Such work ethic, intelligence intellect and success annihilates any idea that black Americans are genetically or intellectually inferior, or lazy, or violent, etc.  Ben Carson earned and won his fame as a neurosurgeon.

With these facts in mind, it's obvious that there are two evils that have combined to bring us to what's taking place today between the police and millions of black Americans living in urban black ghettos.  

Raw capitalism -- which has always looked at all workers, black, brown or white as foils to be exploited and controlled, coupled with white racism.  In fact, historically, white plantation owners during the decades of slavery in the deep south, often promoted conflict between white tenant farmers, white workers, and black workers.  Keeping the races in conflict let both sides concentrate on fighting each other and lessened any dangerous bond between white and black workers that would enable them to overthrow the oligarchy.

It's no different today.  Many, if not most of the white people inhabiting the classic southern states, are as poor, as uneducated, and as hopeless as the black Americans they so avidly castigate.

As I see it, for the bloodthirsty oligarchs, that's still a very good thing.  

No wonder men like Donald Trump promote hatred for immigrants, brown people, yellow people, Muslims, etc.  And no wonder Trump's answer for rising crime in black urban ghettos is to double the size of the police forces used to keep the current system in place.  No wonder he advocates "stop and frisk."

Whether she means it or not, Hillary's motto "we're stronger together" is the only way this country can survive.

Blacks, whites, yellows, browns ... are all people.

Reality.

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Wow... employees are hired to produce profit for the company. I'm feeling faint.

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Wordslinger wrote:Stills from various videos of the Keith Scott killing, clearly show that Scott was indeed wearing a black nylon ankle holster.

Holsters are for guns and now there should be little doubt the victim had a handgun.  Nothing I've seen thus far reveals whether Scott was carrying his gun or pointing it, etc.

I'm beginning to think that the deaths of so many black men at the hands of cops is not based as much on race, as on class.

Let me explain; There should be no doubt that most urban black neighborhoods suffer from ultra-high unemployment, poor schooling and educational incentive, a high proportion of children being raised without a live-in father's presence, and overall, a lifestyle dictated by an almost total lack of integration.  Black Americans living in these environments don't grow-up "American." They grow up black.  Such an environment, overwhelmed by poverty promotes narcotics dealing, prostitution, gangs and greatly increased criminal activity.  Chicago's notorious black on black homicide record attests to these deplorable and demoralizing aspects.

Obviously, the majority of whites who come into these neighborhoods on a daily basis are cops.  Invaders with guns, occupiers, enforcers.  Law enforcement officers tasked to enforce the rules in these ghettos know they are endangering their lives every working day.  Of course their adrenaline levels go up.  And because of the situation I've described, they have to be ready to use deadly force.

From these perspectives, life in a black urban ghetto becomes a war zone -- for the residents and the police.  The "us" vs. "them" mode becomes an ever increasing daily reality.  

Is it based on racism?  White cops vs black citizens?  In one sense, the answer is yes.  But what should be considered, is it would be the same situation if the residents were all yellow, all brown, or all green.

The conflict between the police and the residents of black urban ghettos isn't based on racism, it's based on an economic system whose leaders continue to isolate and subjugate a minority.  And the basis of that insanity stems from nearly three centuries of white people looking at black people as less than human.  It's first class capitalist leaders looking at second class citizens, and exercising the belief that there's more profit (or less costs) keeping black urban ghettos isolated.

What else can better describe the emotions of the half-dozen or so cops who truly did feel the need to gun down Keith Scott BEFORE he tried to kill them?

Face it, most blacks are not highly educated or celebrated like Denzel Washington, Dr. Ben Carson, or Spike Jones.  But there can be no argument there are African-American leaders, thinkers, writers, teachers, doctors, entrepreneurs -- thousands of them who have invested themselves in their dreams and succeeded financially as well as by making significant contributions to American society as a whole.  

Such work ethic, intelligence intellect and success annihilates any idea that black Americans are genetically or intellectually inferior, or lazy, or violent, etc.  Ben Carson earned and won his fame as a neurosurgeon.

With these facts in mind, it's obvious that there are two evils that have combined to bring us to what's taking place today between the police and millions of black Americans living in urban black ghettos.  

Raw capitalism -- which has always looked at all workers, black, brown or white as foils to be exploited and controlled, coupled with white racism.  In fact, historically, white plantation owners during the decades of slavery in the deep south, often promoted conflict between white tenant farmers, white workers, and black workers.  Keeping the races in conflict let both sides concentrate on fighting each other and lessened any dangerous bond between white and black workers that would enable them to overthrow the oligarchy.

It's no different today.  Many, if not most of the white people inhabiting the classic southern states, are as poor, as uneducated, and as hopeless as the black Americans they so avidly castigate.

As I see it, for the bloodthirsty oligarchs, that's still a very good thing.  

No wonder men like Donald Trump promote hatred for immigrants, brown people, yellow people, Muslims, etc.  And no wonder Trump's answer for rising crime in black urban ghettos is to double the size of the police forces used to keep the current system in place.  No wonder he advocates "stop and frisk."

Whether she means it or not, Hillary's motto "we're stronger together" is the only way this country can survive.

Blacks, whites, yellows, browns ... are all people.

Reality.

1) Ben Carson is a product of the same neighborhoods, so almost your entire post is a moot point.

2) Cops deserve to go home to their families at night and they are going into a combat zone not of their making, but of the making of LBJs Great Society programs...
a) free housing
b) free food
c) free education (though graduate levels to as high as they want to go)
d) free cell phones
e) free health care

The Democrats have enslaved these people economically. Free stuff for votes. LBJ said it himself and I won't quote the racist statement he used. We all know it well.

3) In Charlotte a black cop took out the perp. It's not racism then. Spin it ever how you want, it's just not.

4) Should we encircle these areas with walls and let Darwin's Theory play out? Is that what you want or would you like these folks to have a chance despite the color of the cops that have to be sent in to keep peace and order?

5) The plantation mentality exists because liberals promote it and use race to keep things stirred up. George Soros is behind every event that creates riots and puts race against race. He is a globalist with a democratic socialist (Nazi) agenda.

6) There were few race problems until Obama told everyone that "the GOP needs to get to the back of the bus" early on in his first term. What would have happened if a white person would have said that? Nuf said.

7) The Democrats keep the pot stirred and use poverty pimps like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson to foment violence and hatred throughout the African American community.

And finally, those people that keep being stirred up (by Sharpton and Jackson) are the one's you describe from the ghetto who lack the education and are easily controlled by the propaganda you and others like you spew out of your pie holes.

Admit it, it is exactly what you want to happen. You are striving your best for a race war and martial law so your hero can stay on the scenes a bit longer and try to finish off America.

RealLindaL



Tellthetruth wrote:so your hero can stay on the scenes a bit longer and try to finish off America.

Whether or not in agreement in the least with anything TTT said here, I could almost  have considered it his probable best attempt at a thoughtful, serious response -- until, that is, I read the last statement above, which is beyond ludicrous.   The entire premise that Obama wants to destroy America has been fomented by the least credible of the far right wing elements from day one.   It's completely and utterly false, and those who spout it do nothing but trash their own credibility, if they had any to start with.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PkrBum wrote:Wow... employees are hired to produce profit for the company. I'm feeling faint.

The raw capitalist economic system you venerate has no compunction whatever to serve any purpose other than increasing profits. No concern for the welfare, the health or living standards of any of its workers .. or the people of any country. All workers are people to be fully exploited and enslaved, if possible. And countries represent markets and only markets.


With loyalty to such a system, you have the scruples and morality of a reptile. And I smile at the thought that the bosses and leaders you venerate think of you as useful pond scum.


Reality.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Most any progress made by people of color in this country has been accomplished in spite of our culture.

To blame the history of black suppression on liberals or on a statement made by President Obama is really pathetic.

Our country had suffered through a Civil War to free slaves and yet looked the other way during post war subjugation of blacks when Southern states engaged in convict leasing practices. Not until the federal government during WW II feared that the  true treatment of blacks in this country might be used as propaganda against our way of life did Washington decide to prosecute what amounted to slave labor practices throughout the South.

Jim Crow customs took over to keep blacks "in their place" and cut off from bank loans and housing options. Still more laws had to be passed in the '60's to correct voting restrictions placed on blacks.  

All of these things are or should be well known any yet we hear the same old BS about the conditions of the black community, which is not a monolithic group by any means. Some people will continue to cling to their stereotypes of the black culture. I frankly find it inspiring to see that they've made the progress they have given what appears to be the very concerted effort by the dominant white culture to put roadblocks in their way at every turn over hundreds of years.

As far as this latest shooting is concerned I think at the very least what we need is police training turned up to emergency levels when it comes to how to deal with situations in a manner that de-escalates violence rather than their "shoot first ask questions later" MO we've seen too much of lately.

Really, from the report I saw last night the first group of police who were in civilian clothes at the apartment to serve an arrest warrant on someone other than the victim had time to leave the scene, get and put on bullet-proof vests and return to the parking lot to confront a guy with a gun who was rolling a joint.

If they had all that time they could have made an effort to contact the victim's wife and let her talk him through it. They were not in an emergency situation. No one was being threatened in any way. This looks like another example of poor training and low expectations of officers. Even taking race out of the equation, since the shooter was also black, makes this look even more like a matter of poor training and that is something that can be improved on, if not completely fixed.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
PkrBum wrote:Wow... employees are hired to produce profit for the company. I'm feeling faint.

The raw capitalist economic system you venerate has no compunction whatever to serve any purpose other than increasing profits.  No concern for the welfare, the health or living standards of any of its workers .. or the people of any country.  All workers are people to be fully exploited and enslaved, if possible.  And countries represent markets and only markets.


With loyalty to such a system, you have the scruples and morality of a reptile.  And I smile at the thought that the bosses and leaders you venerate think of you as useful pond scum.    

Reality.

The death of Keith Scott -- another view LOL_zpsrc5py0ql

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RealLindaL wrote:
Tellthetruth wrote:so your hero can stay on the scenes a bit longer and try to finish off America.

Whether or not in agreement in the least with anything TTT said here, I could almost  have considered it his probable best attempt at a thoughtful, serious response -- until, that is, I read the last statement above, which is beyond ludicrous.   The entire premise that Obama wants to destroy America has been fomented by the least credible of the far right wing elements from day one.   It's completely and utterly false, and those who spout it do nothing but trash their own credibility, if they had any to start with.
Every action he has taken from the purge of flag rank officers who refuse to be "yes men", the reduction of forces, the multitude of missions assigned the military despite his reductions(deployment fatigue/PTSD), taxing the hell out of th middle class to the point that we will soon be like Haiti( rich or poor no middle class), racial hatred fomented through BLM and La Raza, and fiat money being printed faster than you can breathe air.....yes and this is but just a smidgen of what he has done. I'm glad I can actually PICK a POTUS to sign my retirement papers and God willing Bush 43 is still healthy late this winter, that's who will sign mine.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Tellthetruth wrote:
RealLindaL wrote:
Tellthetruth wrote:so your hero can stay on the scenes a bit longer and try to finish off America.

Whether or not in agreement in the least with anything TTT said here, I could almost  have considered it his probable best attempt at a thoughtful, serious response -- until, that is, I read the last statement above, which is beyond ludicrous.   The entire premise that Obama wants to destroy America has been fomented by the least credible of the far right wing elements from day one.   It's completely and utterly false, and those who spout it do nothing but trash their own credibility, if they had any to start with.
Every action he has taken from the purge of flag rank officers who refuse to be "yes men", the reduction of forces, the multitude of missions assigned the military despite his reductions(deployment fatigue/PTSD), taxing the hell out of th middle class to the point that we will soon be like Haiti( rich or poor no middle class), racial hatred fomented through BLM and La Raza, and fiat money being printed faster than you can breathe air.....yes and this is but just a smidgen of what he has done. I'm glad I can actually PICK a POTUS to sign my retirement papers and God willing Bush 43 is still healthy late this winter, that's who will sign mine.


That's funny ... the conservative on the forum who hates people who live on government largesse will be living partly on a retirement bonus. LOL

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