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What will the New Republican Party look like?

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othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Trump not winning the election aside...what do you think the Republican party is going to look like after the election? After the autopsy they did after the last election where they identified things they had to improve on like reaching out to minorities and improving their standing with women they seemed to have a grasp of their situation yet were unable to make gains in any of these areas.

In an ideal Republican Universe what do you think the they'll come up with? Will the go more libertarian? Will they finally be able to cut lose their "base" of Tea Party types? Can they re-educate through a new Fox News? What?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

othershoe1030 wrote:Trump not winning the election aside...what do you think the Republican party is going to look like after the election? After the autopsy they did after the last election where they identified things they had to improve on like reaching out to minorities and improving their standing with women they seemed to have a grasp of their situation yet were unable to make gains in any of these areas.

In an ideal Republican Universe what do you think the they'll come up with? Will the go more libertarian? Will they finally be able to cut lose their "base" of Tea Party types? Can they re-educate through a new Fox News? What?

It will all depend on what happens with our country after Hillary Clinton becomes President.
If she has a successful Presidency, I doubt if the Republican Party as we know it will continue to exist.
But if she's deemed to be a failure, they'll be back with more of their same old bullshit like always.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Bob wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:Trump not winning the election aside...what do you think the Republican party is going to look like after the election? After the autopsy they did after the last election where they identified things they had to improve on like reaching out to minorities and improving their standing with women they seemed to have a grasp of their situation yet were unable to make gains in any of these areas.

In an ideal Republican Universe what do you think the they'll come up with? Will the go more libertarian? Will they finally be able to cut lose their "base" of Tea Party types? Can they re-educate through a new Fox News? What?

It will all depend on what happens with our country after Hillary Clinton becomes President.
If she has a successful Presidency,  I doubt if the Republican Party as we know it will continue to exist.
But if she's deemed to be a failure,  they'll be back with more of their same old bullshit like always.

So you don't think they will change at all? That just puts them on the road to oblivion if you believe the effects of changing demographics. They have to change or go the way of the dinosaurs. Some "conservative" leaning invention will have to take their place don't you think?

RealLindaL



Bob wrote:It will all depend on what happens with our country after Hillary Clinton becomes President.
If she has a successful Presidency,  I doubt if the Republican Party as we know it will continue to exist.
But if she's deemed to be a failure,  they'll be back with more of their same old bullshit like always.

And there's no way she'll have a successful presidency without a Democratic Congress. You'll see the exact same strategy of keeping her a "one term president," with all the concomitant blocking of her initiatives at every turn, as plagued Obama. If she manages to do anything constructive for the country with the albatross of a Republican Congress around her neck, it will be nothing short of a miracle.

Hate to be cynical, but what it is, it is.

Guest


Guest

Sigh... the pubs selected a non-establishment candidate. While I don't agree with the choice... I do think that's a better track than the dems are on. There's zero reason to expect different results when you make the same decisions and compromises. Hillary will NOT change the status quo... no matter what she says... obviously.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

PkrBum wrote:Sigh... the pubs selected a non-establishment candidate.  While I don't agree with the choice... I do think that's a better track than the dems are on. There's zero reason to expect different results when you make the same decisions and compromises. Hillary will NOT change the status quo... no matter what she says... obviously.

The question is not Hillary but the Republican Party. They have an organization and the ability to make decisions about the direction they take re economic policy etc. so how do you think they may want to change their focus?

I would hope that they would try to address the elements in the tax code that have exacerbated the wealth/income cavern and get behind other policies that would be appealing to portions of the electorate they have failed to attract. Otherwise how are they going to remain viable? As RealL pointed out they are now known as being an anchor to progress, not very inspiring.

Also, where do all the Archie Bunker types go if the Republicans decide to live in the 21st century, recognize climate change and science etc.? Do they start a modern day version of the "Know Nothing" party and further split the right wing? That would just leave the Dems in charge, not entirely a bad thing in my opinion but again, what are they going to do? Continue on as they have? Look what that got them, Trump.

Guest


Guest

We've been on a continual progressive track since fdr. Even Reagan talked limited govt while growing govt. There's no reason to expect any change of course... or the results. Actually solving issues like stagnant wages, shrinking production, exploding welfare... wouldn't aid the desire for further govt controls and central planning.

2seaoat



I think that real Republicans are creating distance with the Dixiecrats. I think if the Democrats pick up a few seats in the house, you will begin to see Republicans voting for bills which are good for America. I think the Dixiecrats attempts to blow up the Union and the federal government which insisted all Americans be given equal protection. The lock step is disintegrating before you. A Maine Republican is not the same as a Alabama Republican. If bills are presented which are good for America, the Dixiecrats will be ignored. I am very hopeful for good government over the next 8 years. I think with Donald Trump goes the Dixiecrats.........right down the sewer pipe where they always belonged.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

othershoe1030 wrote:

So you don't think they will change at all? That just puts them on the road to oblivion if you believe the effects of changing demographics. They have to change or go the way of the dinosaurs. Some "conservative" leaning invention will have to take their place don't you think?

There is nothing which guarantees the continuation of any political party,  and that includes both the Republicans and the Democrats.   Just ask the Federalists and the Whigs.  
In my opinion,  both of the current major parties have now outlived their usefulness.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

2seaoat wrote:I think that real Republicans are creating distance with the Dixiecrats.   I think if the Democrats pick up a few seats in the house, you will begin to see Republicans voting for bills which are good for America.   I think the Dixiecrats attempts to blow up the Union and the federal government which insisted all Americans be given equal protection.   The lock step is disintegrating before you.  A Maine Republican is not the same as a Alabama Republican.   If bills are presented which are good for America, the Dixiecrats will be ignored.   I am very hopeful for good government over the next 8 years.  I think with Donald Trump goes the Dixiecrats.........right down the sewer pipe where they always belonged.

So you think this evolution of the party will mostly happen behind the scenes, be seen in actions on votes for more progressive bills and not in a policy statement from the RNC, that makes sense. Still, what are the Dixiecrats going to do, just form their own subculture within the R party?

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Bob wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:

So you don't think they will change at all? That just puts them on the road to oblivion if you believe the effects of changing demographics. They have to change or go the way of the dinosaurs. Some "conservative" leaning invention will have to take their place don't you think?

There is nothing which guarantees the continuation of any political party,  and that includes both the Republicans and the Democrats.   Just ask the Federalists and the Whigs.  
In my opinion,  both of the current major parties have now outlived their usefulness.

Of course there is no guarantee for the continuation of any political party but they tend to want to persist. It is like any organism. They fight for life; they don't want to die. In this case it is more a matter of rebranding. I hate that term in the political sense since it makes candidates sound like a brand of lunch meat or something but these days there is no difference between campaign adds and adds for car insurance or vacation cruises.

I was wondering what the new Republican Brand might look like. What are they going to advertise themselves as being?

Guest


Guest

othershoe1030 wrote:
Bob wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:

So you don't think they will change at all? That just puts them on the road to oblivion if you believe the effects of changing demographics. They have to change or go the way of the dinosaurs. Some "conservative" leaning invention will have to take their place don't you think?

There is nothing which guarantees the continuation of any political party,  and that includes both the Republicans and the Democrats.   Just ask the Federalists and the Whigs.  
In my opinion,  both of the current major parties have now outlived their usefulness.

Of course there is no guarantee for the continuation of any political party but they tend to want to persist. It is like any organism. They fight for life; they don't want to die. In this case it is more a matter of rebranding. I hate that term in the political sense since it makes candidates sound like a brand of lunch meat or something but these days there is no difference between campaign adds and adds for car insurance or vacation cruises.

I was wondering what the new Republican Brand might look like. What are they going to advertise themselves as being?

The Republican brand will be sniffed out no matter what rebranding may occur. The political system as a whole is basically defined by money and as long as the corporations, Wall Street, and special interests line the hallways and offices of our Congress it doesn't matter what party stands in name to represent the nation's citizens.

We've truly pulled the curtain back and we see all the players for what they are. The next train has got to be rational leadership with common goals for the people of this nation in mind. Jobs, stability of the economy, and those who can bring peace to the bargaining table, not big guns and war.

Guest


Guest

The Democrats invited socialism into its mainstream this cycle.... but y'all wonder about the pubs?

Lol... nice talkingpoint.

2seaoat



Still, what are the Dixiecrats going to do, just form their own subculture within the R party?

That is exactly what they did within the Democratic party as it became more union oriented, diverse, and working for civil rights.   In 1948 they tried to become a self sufficient organization, but their history is they are parasites.  They have always been mayor Daley democrats living on the government teat trying to get all the military bases, space program, and any other federal program to their district in place of honest Yankee ingenuity in the free enterprise system.  However, the Dixiecrats are a cancer in America.   They have to try to kill a living organism and cannot survive without attaching to a living organism.   The Traditional Republican Party of free enterprise, fairness, and equality is their current host where they will continue to control the primary cycle on national candidates.   The only way to kill that cancer is to remove their life line which is government bases and other federal spending in the old confederacy which has ALWAYS been a taker of federal dollars.   If you move and consolidate bases in other diverse parts of the country, and remove the government teat from these leeches, you may actually see modernity finally putting a wooden stake in the evil legacy of the Dixiecrats.   It will take a generation before you see diversity and modernity in the old confederacy.

Sal

Sal

Sanders certainly had the right message for this time, however, I'm of the opinion that a more progressive agenda that led to a defeat or even a more narrow victory would not lead to the kind of progressive change that a soul-crushing landslide victory and the utter implosion of the Republican party will yield.

If this continues to play out the way it's going, the GOP will be forced to moderate its positions on a plethora of issues or cease to exist.

Hillary Clinton v Donald Trump may not seem the most appealing choice, but it may well be precisely the choice America needs to move forward.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

There is one overriding fact at play with this. As long as this country remains as deeply divided as it is now, there is no political party or ideology or politician or anything else which can succeed.

I'm reminded of one of Abe Lincoln's quotes. I learned it in the Escambia County School system. lol

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:There is one overriding fact at play with this.  As long as this country remains as deeply divided as it is now,   there is no political party or ideology or politician or anything else which can succeed.  

I'm reminded of one of Abe Lincoln's quotes.  I learned it in the Escambia County School system.  lol

Trump is the most unifying force in American politics since WWII.

Clinton may be the first candidate to win the entire East Coast since George Washington.

What will the New Republican Party look like? Captur26

Cool

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Saul Alinsky wrote:
Bob wrote:There is one overriding fact at play with this.  As long as this country remains as deeply divided as it is now,   there is no political party or ideology or politician or anything else which can succeed.  

I'm reminded of one of Abe Lincoln's quotes.  I learned it in the Escambia County School system.  lol

Trump is the most unifying force in American politics since WWII.

Clinton may be the first candidate to win the entire East Coast since George Washington.

What will the New Republican Party look like? Captur26

Cool

I check Nate Silver several times a day, especially like the state by state picture of things and also the graph but be careful. There are three different buttons to click on showing the results of different collections of data. The one you posted is the "Now Cast", data showing how he thinks the election would go if held at that moment. The other two maps show less dramatic wins by Hillary, although she is still well out in the lead no matter how you look at it, a comforting sight for those of us who are voting for her in November.



https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-election#plus

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

SheWrites wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:
Bob wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:

So you don't think they will change at all? That just puts them on the road to oblivion if you believe the effects of changing demographics. They have to change or go the way of the dinosaurs. Some "conservative" leaning invention will have to take their place don't you think?

There is nothing which guarantees the continuation of any political party,  and that includes both the Republicans and the Democrats.   Just ask the Federalists and the Whigs.  
In my opinion,  both of the current major parties have now outlived their usefulness.

Of course there is no guarantee for the continuation of any political party but they tend to want to persist. It is like any organism. They fight for life; they don't want to die. In this case it is more a matter of rebranding. I hate that term in the political sense since it makes candidates sound like a brand of lunch meat or something but these days there is no difference between campaign adds and adds for car insurance or vacation cruises.

I was wondering what the new Republican Brand might look like. What are they going to advertise themselves as being?

The Republican brand will be sniffed out no matter what rebranding may occur.  The political system as a whole is basically defined by money and as long as the corporations, Wall Street, and special interests line the hallways and offices of our Congress it doesn't matter what party stands in name to represent the nation's citizens.  

We've truly pulled the curtain back and we see all the players for what they are.  The next train has got to be rational leadership with common goals for the people of this nation in mind.  Jobs, stability of the economy, and those who can bring peace to the bargaining table, not big guns and war.


Absolutely.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

2seaoat wrote:Still, what are the Dixiecrats going to do, just form their own subculture within the R party?

That is exactly what they did within the Democratic party as it became more union oriented, diverse, and working for civil rights.   In 1948 they tried to become a self sufficient organization, but their history is they are parasites.  They have always been mayor Daley democrats living on the government teat trying to get all the military bases, space program, and any other federal program to their district in place of honest Yankee ingenuity in the free enterprise system.  However, the Dixiecrats are a cancer in America.   They have to try to kill a living organism and cannot survive without attaching to a living organism.   The Traditional Republican Party of free enterprise, fairness, and equality is their current host where they will continue to control the primary cycle on national candidates.   The only way to kill that cancer is to remove their life line which is government bases and other federal spending in the old confederacy which has ALWAYS been a taker of federal dollars.   If you move and consolidate bases in other diverse parts of the country, and remove the government teat from these leeches, you may actually see modernity finally putting a wooden stake in the evil legacy of the Dixiecrats.   It will take a generation before you see diversity and modernity in the old confederacy.

Sorry, Seaoat, but you can't blame the implosion of the GOP on Dixiecrats alone. There's a pervasive stench in the Republican Party. Some of it may be concentrated in the South, but you're missing the bigger picture. It's the policies...so called "free enterprise", when the deck is stacked against the same...Kansas being the poster child...Wisconsin, another...Arizona...it's not just the Southern states.

Guest


Guest

"It's the policies...so called "free enterprise", when the deck is stacked against the same..."

Wow... a little objective honesty. Well done.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

othershoe1030 wrote:
Trump is the most unifying force in American politics since WWII.

There's no doubt about it. Because of Trump, there is no more divide.
The typical Republican is now turning into a liberal/progressive. Before you know it all Republicans will think just like Democrats.

Question. Did you by chance attend the Escambia County schools? lol

2seaoat



Kansas is the perfect example of what I speak. A state from its inception worked for abolition of slavery and had the belief system of hard work and free enterprise will raise this entire nation. Ike and Dole both were Kansas boyz who carried that Republican value system to the core. They believed in efficient government. Nothing gets the goat of a Kansas, Illinois, Wisconsin, or Iowa farmer than wasteful local government. Republicans flourished in these small towns where people worked for their communities and this nation. However, in the 70s when the Dixiecrats were recruited and corporate America stole America in the forty years that followed, the Dixiecrat brand of republicanism which was polar opposite of traditional Republican values blew up government. In Kansas they are throwing out the Dixiecrats and their agents, as traditional main street republicans are taking back their party.....the core belief of Dixiecrats and the 1% who have stole America is the destruction of the federal government.....same folks .....mostly the same issues, but the wealth of this country and the middle class have been decimated by these new Republicans.

Sal

Sal

Bob wrote:
Question.  Did you by chance attend the Escambia County schools?  lol

Nope.

That must be why I would never vote for a dangerous lunatic just to "see what happens".

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Maybe it's because the Escambia County schools didn't teach me anything, but I could have sworn that...

1. Donald Trump is not a southerner

and

2. When the modern thinking (aka "progressive") voters of New York State had a choice of fifteen different candidates to vote for, including several moderate Republicans, that 60% of them voted for Trump.

lol

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