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New Orleans to remove all of it's Robert E Lee and other Confederate statutes

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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/17/us/new-orleans-confederate-monuments-vote/

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

reactionary and idiotic pandering to the mob...

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

TEOTWAWKI wrote:reactionary and idiotic pandering to the mob...

Every time I've been in New Orleans and driven through Lee Circle and seen this statute,  the first thing that's always popped into my mind is "slavery rules".
I should be ashamed. 

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Sal

Sal

Would you demand Lithuanians and Latvians keep all the statues of Stalin and Lenin that were erected in Vilnius and Riga after the Soviet conquest?

The majority of New Orleans residents are descended from people for whom the Confederacy fought a seditious and doomed war to ensure subhuman status.

I can't imagine why they might have a problem with Confederate monuments in their city.

Remembering the past is one thing - honoring traitors with monuments is something completely different.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Since the Bush family helped build the Nazi war machine and through that machine killed off many thousands of Americans .I demand every reference to the Bush family be stripped from the congressional and historic record and their wealth seized and redistributed to all of the survivors of those killed in World War II.  Then we can go after the oil men , bankers and Henry Ford . OH and don't forget Remington arms.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Salinsky wrote:Remembering the past is one thing - honoring traitors with monuments is something completely different.

Then we better start destroying all the statutes and monuments related to each of the Founding Fathers.  Because they were sure as hell traitors too.
The only difference is, one set of traitors won a war,  and the other set of traitors lost.  lol


TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Sal thinks the central government is the United States. He would probably fought for the king.

2seaoat



The only difference is, one set of traitors won a war, and the other set of traitors lost. lol


Nope.......The traitors tried to destroy this nation, and to have these memorials to the enslavement of Americans on public property is obscene. It they want to be moved to private museums or other private property.....go for it. The civil war symbols belong in Museums not celebrated in the public square where one group of Americans is humiliated and subjugated once again by the dog whistle politics of the modern south where the Republican party panders to hate and fear.....it is way past the time to have public monuments to terrorist removed from public property.....How would we feel with statues in the Public square celebrating the folks who flew the planes into the trade center.......I am sure some Americans would want to celebrate those terrorists.....NOT.....My relatives fought for the confederacy.....it was a terrible war, and a terrible mistake.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

White men that are into self loathing are mentally ill..get help.  I don't see Muslims into self deprecation for their infinitely grosser slave trade which exists into this present age. Millions of small boys castrated and sold into slavery if they survived the infection and bleeding...young girls sold into sex slavery, but never have I heard a sorry peep from our camel jockies....white man bad, white man bad...bullshit ! STFU

2seaoat



The Civil war was about the evil institution of Slavery, and those who are now celebrated in the public square are terrorist who almost destroyed this great nation. It has nothing to do with white guilt. It has everything to do with the evil of the institution which caused the loss of a half million fellow Americans because some evil people thought that we should keep human being enslaved. Tear down the statues of Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, and the plantation owners and tell the apologist today to leave this country if they do not want to be Americans.....love it or leave it.

Markle

Markle

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Since the Bush family helped build the Nazi war machine and through that machine killed off many thousands of Americans .I demand every reference to the Bush family be stripped from the congressional and historic record and their wealth seized and redistributed to all of the survivors of those killed in World War II.  Then we can go after the oil men , bankers and Henry Ford . OH and don't forget Remington arms.

Have to call you on that....

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Markle

Markle

TEOTWAWKI wrote:reactionary and idiotic pandering to the mob...

100% true, people in the near future hopefully will come to their senses and wonder aloud, what the heck were they thinking, erasing our history.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:The only difference is, one set of traitors won a war,  and the other set of traitors lost.  lol


Nope.......The traitors tried to destroy this nation,

Baloney,  seaoat.  The Confederates attempted to do exactly what the Revolutionists did,  break off from one country and become a different country.
Both were revolutionaries and traitors.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

That reminds me of something.  Does anyone here remember "Amway" (the poster).
He said there is a special place in hell for anyone who does not serve his country.
I asked him "does that apply to the enemy too?"  He said "damn right it does".

So to be clear,  Amway was telling us that the German citizens who refused to fight for Hitler "had a special place in hell reserved for them".
Has to be the sickest thing anyone's ever said on these forums.



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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

2seaoat wrote:The Civil war was about the evil institution of Slavery, and those who are now celebrated in the public square are terrorist who almost destroyed this great nation.  It has nothing to do with white guilt.  It has everything to do with the evil of the institution which caused the loss of a half million fellow Americans because some evil people thought that we should keep human being enslaved.  Tear down the statues of Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, and the plantation owners and tell the apologist today to leave this country if they do not want to be Americans.....love it or leave it.  


Right, dirt poor southerners fought to the death on behalf of the 2% of rich southerners that owned slaves....slaves which probably ate and fared better they they did. Sure slavery....well the propaganda worked back then with that damned dictator,  Lincoln.
Mostly poor southerners fought for their future, their pride and freedom from northern economic aggression and interference in their lives....slavery was falling quickly under it's own weight and burgeoning industrial production. Slavery was practically a non issue until revived for Lincolns "preservation of the union"....Lincoln's bullshit then is still bullshit now....

2seaoat



Baloney,  seaoat.  The Confederates attempted to do exactly what the Revolutionists did,  break off from one country and become a different country.
Both were revolutionaries and traitors.

BS

They had votes and they had power.  We were powerless in a Monarchy which did not give us the vote.  This was about evil people and the evil institution of slavery.  One was fought for freedom and justice the other was fought for greed and enslavement of other human beings......do not glorify these evil terrorist, and their statues no more belong on public property than statues of the two people who just murdered people in California......if somebody wants to build the same in their back yard.....go for it, but putting up statues to traitors.....nope.   Lincoln insisted that the traitors be treated with respect.....they should have summarily executed the generals, and politicians in the public square for treason.   Let them hang like the way they hung black people for a hundred years to keep them down.....when nothing was done to these traitors an entire race was tortured for another century.....traitors all.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Obama said there would be change....he is the master of division....America is no more. Like his Muslim Brothers tearing down the monuments of ages long past in their desire to rewrite history in their image....

Sal

Sal

Oh, there has been change.

When the history is written, he will be acknowledged as the most effective POTUS of any of our lifetimes.

Agree with him or not, he has a mountain of achievements.

The only thing that's done is your retrograde agenda.

Not sorry.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

2seaoat wrote:Baloney,  seaoat.  The Confederates attempted to do exactly what the Revolutionists did,  break off from one country and become a different country.
Both were revolutionaries and traitors.

BS

They had votes and they had power.  We were powerless in a Monarchy which did not give us the vote.  This was about evil people and the evil institution of slavery.  One was fought for freedom and justice the other was fought for greed and enslavement of other human beings......do not glorify these evil terrorist, and their statues no more belong on public property than statues of the two people who just murdered people in California......if somebody wants to build the same in their back yard.....go for it, but putting up statues to traitors.....nope.   Lincoln insisted that the traitors be treated with respect.....they should have summarily executed the generals, and politicians in the public square for treason.   Let them hang like the way they hung black people for a hundred years to keep them down.....when nothing was done to these traitors an entire race was tortured for another century.....traitors all.

Your problem is the same problem everyone else has around here.  You are so partisan and biased when it comes to anything,  that you cannot judge anything objectively.
Sal said the Confederates were traitors.  I pointed out that the American revolutionists were traitors too. 
English words have actual definitions and meanings,  seaoat.  The definition doesn't change because you want it to change or because political correctness wants it to change.
The accepted definition for the word treason is:  "a person who betrays a country or group of people by helping or supporting an enemy".
The "Patriots" were traitors to the existing country.  So were the Confederates.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

The Confederates were not traitors, there was no law against secession considering the founding fathers left that door open in case the central government became oppressive....

"Nowhere in the Constitution is there any mention of the union of the states being permanent. This was not an oversight by any means. Indeed, when New York, Rhode Island, and Virginia ratified the Constitution, they specifically stated that they reserved the right to resume the governmental powers granted to the United States. Their claim to the right of secession was understood and agreed to by everyone, including George Washington, who presided over the Constitutional Convention and was also a delegate from Virginia. In his book Life of Webster Sen. Henry Cabot Lodge writes, "It is safe to say that there was not a man in the country, from Washington and Hamilton to Clinton and Mason, who did not regard the new system as an experiment from which each and every State had a right to peaceably withdraw." A textbook used at West Point before the Civil War, A View of the Constitution, written by Judge William Rawle, states, "The secession of a State depends on the will of the people of such a State."



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2seaoat



The "Patriots" were traitors to the existing country. So were the Confederates.


No bob....I did not go to the beach in high school. I read. I read now. You have no concept sometimes of words. The United States was a country. America in the British empire was a colony.

a country or area under the full or partial political control of another country, typically a distant one, and occupied by settlers from that country.

The states which were part of the United States of America. If you cannot understand this elementary historical difference....go back to school, but do not try to compare terrorist to patriots. There is a difference which drinking beer on PB may have been fun, but being handicapped from the same for a lifetime is a shame.

Sal

Sal

Geez, ...

... the secessionists were traitors to our Union.

There's no wonder we're in such a sad state.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Henry Cabot Lodge writes, "It is safe to say that there was not a man in the country, from Washington and Hamilton to Clinton and Mason, who did not regard the new system as an experiment from which each and every State had a right to peaceably withdraw." A textbook used at West Point before the Civil War, A View of the Constitution, written by Judge William Rawle, states, "The secession of a State depends on the will of the people of such a State."

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

"Of course the South was angry over the fugitive slave laws, but that affected less than three percent of the population in the South. The severe tariff laws affected all Southerners. The 10th Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." This amendment was the basis of the doctrine of states' rights that became the antebellum rallying cry of the Southern states, which sought to restrict the ever-growing powers of the federal government. The principle of states' rights and state sovereignty eventually led the Southern states to secede from the central government that they believed had failed to honor the covenant that had originally bound the states together."

It is also significant to note that not one Confederate leader was ever brought to trial for treason.

Sal

Sal

TEOTWAWKI wrote:"Of course the South was angry over the fugitive slave laws, but that affected less than three percent of the population in the South. The severe tariff laws affected all Southerners. The 10th Amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." This amendment was the basis of the doctrine of states' rights that became the antebellum rallying cry of the Southern states, which sought to restrict the ever-growing powers of the federal government. The principle of states' rights and state sovereignty eventually led the Southern states to secede from the central government that they believed had failed to honor the covenant that had originally bound the states together."

It is also significant to note that not one Confederate leader was ever brought to trial for treason.

No it's not.

"Malice toward none" was a critical principle for Lincoln after the war.

Too bad it didn't work out for him personally.

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