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Why does the media refuse to call violent white supremacists terrorists?

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Good question! Check out the link below:

http://www.alternet.org/media/why-media-refuses-call-white-supremacists-who-shot-black-lives-matter-protesters-terrorists?akid=13708.260394.mpxuF4&rd=1&src=newsletter1046315&t=4

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Although I realize words now have been assigned liberal definitions and conservative definitions,  I don't subscribe to any of that foolishness because words in the English language have accepted definitions.

This is the definition of "terrorism"...

"the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims"

If this act you're referring to meets that definition (and I believe it does),  then it is terrorism.



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EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

I dunno .... maybe 'cause it was self-defense?



How 'bout we wait for the facts to come out before we start drawing any conclusions?



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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Well in that case,  if it was an example of self-defense,  obviously it would not meet the definition of terrorism.

2seaoat



I dunno .... maybe 'cause it was self-defense?


Masks, guns, shots fired.....please give us your theory of self defense.......I bet it is this.....black person......scary person.....I am scared......I can shoot.....I defended myself......either your explanation requires a nation of scardy cats, or a nation with deductive reasoning of a fence pole.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

[...]

ST: What are the consequences of this unconscious semantic decision we’ve made? For people who aren’t media scholars or in the news media, they see that when people on the left do something bad, they’re terrorists. When people of Middle Eastern descent, or radical Islamists, do something bad, it’s terrorism. When people on the right do something dangerous or insane, it’s either a crime involving a “shooter” or a “gunman”… What does this do to people watching?

TG: It helps this practice of confinement of the term terrorism… It reinforces the idea that white American racism with violent equipment is somehow not exactly normal, but doesn’t need to be taken seriously as a social and political atrocity. It’s attributed to madmen. I think that’s a fairly common right-wing trope. Like that guy [Jared Loughner] who shot those people in Arizona, including the congresswoman… The right-wing framing of him is that he was just a nut. The point of the distinction is to leave undisturbed the presumption that people who resort to violence are left-wing or Arab or both.

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EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

2seaoat wrote:I dunno .... maybe 'cause it was self-defense?


Masks, guns, shots fired.....please give us your theory of self defense.......I bet it is this.....black person......scary person.....I am scared......I can shoot.....I defended myself......either your explanation requires a nation of scardy cats, or a nation with deductive reasoning of a fence pole.

Well, it seems a lot of the Black Lies Matter protesters are wearing masks. Did not a lot of the Occupy protesters wear those Guy Fawkes masks? What do masks have to do with it?   Since when did it become illegal again to wear a mask in this country?   The courts threw those laws out a long time ago.

As to self-defense .... well, let's see if I get punched & knocked down twice by an angry mob, then chased down the street & cornered by same .... ummm, yeah ... I think firing upon them would be self-defense.

Supposing the situation were reversed & it were a few Black Lies Matters folks going to video/document a public KKK rally, got punched & knocked down, then chased down the street by a KKK mob & cornered.    What would be your take on that?   Would they have the right to defend themselves with a lawfully carried handgun?

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

EmeraldGhost wrote:
2seaoat wrote:I dunno .... maybe 'cause it was self-defense?


Masks, guns, shots fired.....please give us your theory of self defense.......I bet it is this.....black person......scary person.....I am scared......I can shoot.....I defended myself......either your explanation requires a nation of scardy cats, or a nation with deductive reasoning of a fence pole.

Well, it seems a lot of the Black Lies Matter protesters are wearing masks.  Did not a lot of the Occupy protesters wear those Guy Fawkes masks?  What do masks have to do with it?   Since when did it become illegal again to wear a mask in this country?   The courts threw those laws out a long time ago.

As to self-defense .... well, let's see if I get punched & knocked down twice by an angry mob, then chased down the street & cornered by same .... ummm, yeah ... I think firing upon them would be self-defense.

Supposing the situation were reversed & it were a few Black Lies Matters folks going to video/document a public KKK rally, got punched & knocked down, then chased down the street by a KKK mob & cornered.    What would be your take on that?   Would they have the right to defend themselves with a lawfully carried handgun?

How about sticking to the facts? Three white people took arms to a black protest and shot black victims. No question their act was a political statement ... no question it was white terrorism.

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

Wordslinger wrote:

How about sticking to the facts?  Three white people took arms to a black protest and shot black victims.  
In apparent self-defense.



Wordslinger wrote:
 No question their act was a political statement ... no question it was white terrorism.
I disagree based on the witness statements I've heard thus far.   Come up with some further information to the contrary and I might be persuaded to change my mind.   In the meantime ... how about you try sticking to the facts .... or at least witness statements as known thus far.

Was what those guys were doing there a wise thing to do?  
Obviously not
.  
Was there anything illegal about their attendance?  
Not that I've heard thus far.  

Here are the questions we need to ask/answer:

Did they have as much legal right to be there as the Black Lies Matter people?
Yes.

Were they the aggressors?
Doesn't seem as though they were.

Does one have a duty attempt to retreat from an aggressor before resorting to deadly force under Minnesota law.
Yes.

Did they attempt to retreat?
Apparently, according to some public witness statements thus far. (and these are BLM witnesses saying this)


Had they been assaulted by any of the protesters?
According to some witnesses ... yes.

Were they in danger of death or Great Bodily Injury from the mob that chased them?
Sounds like it to me.

Does the shooter have a CCW permit?  
We don't know yet.   I'm bettin' he does ... but we'll see.




As a white-looking person going to a Black Lies Matter rally to video-document or counter-protest ..... I'd be packing too. (not that I'd be inclined to go anywhere near such a rally in the first place.  But if I were for some reason .....)
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Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:Good question!  Check out the link below:

http://www.alternet.org/media/why-media-refuses-call-white-supremacists-who-shot-black-lives-matter-protesters-terrorists?akid=13708.260394.mpxuF4&rd=1&src=newsletter1046315&t=4

Yet another OPINION piece from the far left, Progressive alternet.

My Socialist/Communist good friend Wordslinger.

Why does the media NOT call "Black Lives Matter" terrorists?

Why does the media NOT call "Occupy Wall Street" terrorists?

Why does the media NOT call semi-retired President Obama's good friend Minister Louis Farrakhan a terrorist?

Why does the media NOT call the "New Black Panthers" terrorists? A group who supports President Obama and to whom President Obama has spoken.

Why does the media refuse to call violent white supremacists terrorists? ObamaNewBlackPantherParty2

EmeraldGhost

EmeraldGhost

In any case .... somewhere in California Charlie Manson is in his cell smiling about it all ...

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:Good question!  Check out the link below:

http://www.alternet.org/media/why-media-refuses-call-white-supremacists-who-shot-black-lives-matter-protesters-terrorists?akid=13708.260394.mpxuF4&rd=1&src=newsletter1046315&t=4

Yet another OPINION piece from the far left, Progressive alternet.  

My Socialist/Communist good friend Wordslinger.

Why does the media NOT call "Black Lives Matter" terrorists?  Were any whites killed by black protestors at Black Lives Matter incidents?

Why does the media NOT call "Occupy Wall Street" terrorists?  Were any people murdered by OWS protestors?

Why does the media NOT call semi-retired President Obama's good friend Minister Louis Farrakhan a terrorist? Has Farrakhan murdered anyone yet, or even attempted to do it?

Why does the media NOT call the "New Black Panthers" terrorists?  A group who supports President Obama and to whom President Obama has spoken.  Have the New Black Panthers murdered anyone?

Why does the media refuse to call violent white supremacists terrorists? ObamaNewBlackPantherParty2

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:Good question!  Check out the link below:

http://www.alternet.org/media/why-media-refuses-call-white-supremacists-who-shot-black-lives-matter-protesters-terrorists?akid=13708.260394.mpxuF4&rd=1&src=newsletter1046315&t=4

Yet another OPINION piece from the far left, Progressive alternet.  

My Socialist/Communist good friend Wordslinger.

Why does the media NOT call "Black Lives Matter" terrorists?  Were any whites killed by black protestors [protesters] at Black Lives Matter incidents?

Why does the media NOT call "Occupy Wall Street" terrorists?  Were any people murdered by OWS protesters?

Why does the media NOT call semi-retired President Obama's good friend Minister Louis Farrakhan a terrorist?  Has Farrakhan murdered anyone yet, or even attempted to do it?

Why does the media NOT call the "New Black Panthers" terrorists?  A group who supports President Obama and to whom President Obama has spoken.  Have the New Black Panthers murdered anyone?

Why does the media refuse to call violent white supremacists terrorists? ObamaNewBlackPantherParty2


As you know, Minister Louis Farrakhan was complicit in the Murder of Malcolm X.  Recently he has called for the murder of police.  Was any of his followers involved in the recent murders of police?

Much the same with the New Black Panthers.  They too have called for the murder of police, are considered a hate group by the government.
Here's one, would you like more?  EXCLUSIVE: Black Panther double cop killer sues for freedom because he plays the FLUTE. Murderer demands parole claiming he has 'changed' - to fury of victim's widow

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2988897/Black-Panther-double-cop-killer-sues-freedom-plays-FLUTE-Murderer-demands-parole-changed-fury-victim-s-widow.html#ixzz3sakiN14S
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Both those groups, along with Black Lives Matter have strongly advocated for the murder of police, which has happened.

As for OWS, you know there were a number of murders and numerous rapes.
The Occupy movement has a horrific record of violence. Occupy Wall Street Exposed has counted a dozen deaths, including three murders; more than a dozen rapes; more than 25 disgusting cases of indecent exposure, public defecation, etc; more than 500 thefts; more than 6,800 arrests; and in excess of $12 million in property damage. A sorry record by any standard.

I also saw where you only included as a murder, if a white person was murdered?  It appears that by your standards, it would only be wrong if a white person is murdered but okay if it is a black.

Is that not racist?

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

For emerald ghost and Markle -- the three white shooters at the black lives matter protest are confirmed white racists -- and qualify as terrorists the same way the Colorado Planned Parenthood killer qualifies as a white, fundamentalist terrorist. Reality.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/three-men-who-shot-black-lives-matter-protesters-emerged-internets-racist-swamps?akid=13716.260394.thd5WL&rd=1&src=newsletter1046423&t=6

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Self defense? I don't think so. Premeditation is more like it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/us/4-arrested-in-shooting-at-black-lives-matter-protest-are-identified.html

MINNEAPOLIS — The police on Wednesday released the names of four men arrested in connection with a shooting during a Black Lives Matter protest outside a police station that injured five protesters.

The shooting erupted on Monday, during the ninth day of protests demanding action against two white Minneapolis police officers involved in the fatal shooting of Jamar Clark, 24, an unarmed black man, on Nov. 15. None of the wounded protesters had life-threatening injuries, the authorities said.

On Wednesday, protesters paused for the first time as Mr. Clark’s funeral was held, and hundreds gathered to commemorate him at Shiloh Temple International Ministries, calling for a day of peace.

The authorities identified the suspects in the shooting as Allen Lawrence Scarsella, 23; Nathan Gustavsson, 21; Daniel Macey, 26; and Joseph Backman, 27. All are white and were arrested in the Minneapolis area. The police also detained a 32-year-old Hispanic man, but he was released after questioning.

Continue reading the main story
RELATED COVERAGE

Black Lives Matter Activists Vow Not to Cower After 5 Are ShotNOV. 24, 2015
A police officer sprayed a chemical irritant at demonstrators outside the Minneapolis Police Department's Fourth Precinct station on Wednesday.Police and Protesters Clash in Minneapolis Over Fatal Shooting of Black ManNOV. 19, 2015
The four men are being held at the Hennepin County jail and have yet to be charged.

The day after the shooting, Mr. Scarsella posted a Confederate banner known as the Bonnie Blue Flag at the top of his Facebook page. A video posted on YouTube showed a SWAT team arresting him at his house in a Minneapolis suburb later in the day.

The racial tension at the protests began to grow after a video was posted online last week showing two light-skinned men saying they planned to go to the protest to “make the fire rise.”

In the video, which was posted on a Black Lives Matter Facebook page to alert members, two young men in masks and military fatigues were driving in a car. The driver identified himself as SaigaMarine, and his passenger as BlackPowerRanger.

“We’re locked and loaded,” SaigaMarine told the camera as he brandished a pistol. Referring to protesters using a racial slur, he said the pair planned to visit the protest to “do a little bit of reverse cultural enriching.”

“We are going to make the fire rise,” he said. He then ended the video by urging viewers to “stay white.”

SaigaMarine and BlackPowerRanger are also names used by people who posted regularly on the anonymous online forum 4chan. One comment thread in which they participated included derogatory references to minorities, talk of starting a race war and disparaging remarks on the Black Lives Matter protest in Minneapolis.

Two men wearing what appear to be the same masks and jackets as SaigaMarine and BlackPowerRanger also show up in a video taken by members of the alternative media site Unicorn Riot last week. In it, an interviewer mistakes the two men for supporters of the protests. The pair chat jovially with the interviewer while slipping in, seemingly unnoticed, references to a 4chan group. SaigaMarine again refers to a race war, saying: “It’s boiling, man. It’s going to happen soon. We’re here to watch the fire rise.”

Demonstrators who later saw both videos said they told the police they had spotted the same men at the protests Monday. When the men showed up, protesters said they told them to remove their masks and confronted them. Shortly later, the shootings occurred. After the arrests, posters on 4chan generally condemned the men’s actions after the details emerged — not because they had wounded five people, but largely because they thought the shootings would bring unwanted attention to their group.

“This is going to be full on 4chan/k/ is a terrorist breeding ground with proven ties to racist white extremist groups,” one posted, referring to a subgroup on 4chan that usually focuses on firearms. “You deserve everything that happens once the cable news networks start putting it on the air.”

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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Floridatexan wrote:
Self defense?  I don't think so.  Premeditation is more like it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/26/us/4-arrested-in-shooting-at-black-lives-matter-protest-are-identified.html

MINNEAPOLIS — The police on Wednesday released the names of four men arrested in connection with a shooting during a Black Lives Matter protest outside a police station that injured five protesters.

The shooting erupted on Monday, during the ninth day of protests demanding action against two white Minneapolis police officers involved in the fatal shooting of Jamar Clark, 24, an unarmed black man, on Nov. 15. None of the wounded protesters had life-threatening injuries, the authorities said.

On Wednesday, protesters paused for the first time as Mr. Clark’s funeral was held, and hundreds gathered to commemorate him at Shiloh Temple International Ministries, calling for a day of peace.

The authorities identified the suspects in the shooting as Allen Lawrence Scarsella, 23; Nathan Gustavsson, 21; Daniel Macey, 26; and Joseph Backman, 27. All are white and were arrested in the Minneapolis area. The police also detained a 32-year-old Hispanic man, but he was released after questioning.

Continue reading the main story
RELATED COVERAGE

Black Lives Matter Activists Vow Not to Cower After 5 Are ShotNOV. 24, 2015
A police officer sprayed a chemical irritant at demonstrators outside the Minneapolis Police Department's Fourth Precinct station on Wednesday.Police and Protesters Clash in Minneapolis Over Fatal Shooting of Black ManNOV. 19, 2015
The four men are being held at the Hennepin County jail and have yet to be charged.

The day after the shooting, Mr. Scarsella posted a Confederate banner known as the Bonnie Blue Flag at the top of his Facebook page. A video posted on YouTube showed a SWAT team arresting him at his house in a Minneapolis suburb later in the day.

The racial tension at the protests began to grow after a video was posted online last week showing two light-skinned men saying they planned to go to the protest to “make the fire rise.”

In the video, which was posted on a Black Lives Matter Facebook page to alert members, two young men in masks and military fatigues were driving in a car. The driver identified himself as SaigaMarine, and his passenger as BlackPowerRanger.

“We’re locked and loaded,” SaigaMarine told the camera as he brandished a pistol. Referring to protesters using a racial slur, he said the pair planned to visit the protest to “do a little bit of reverse cultural enriching.”

“We are going to make the fire rise,” he said. He then ended the video by urging viewers to “stay white.”

SaigaMarine and BlackPowerRanger are also names used by people who posted regularly on the anonymous online forum 4chan. One comment thread in which they participated included derogatory references to minorities, talk of starting a race war and disparaging remarks on the Black Lives Matter protest in Minneapolis.

Two men wearing what appear to be the same masks and jackets as SaigaMarine and BlackPowerRanger also show up in a video taken by members of the alternative media site Unicorn Riot last week. In it, an interviewer mistakes the two men for supporters of the protests. The pair chat jovially with the interviewer while slipping in, seemingly unnoticed, references to a 4chan group. SaigaMarine again refers to a race war, saying: “It’s boiling, man. It’s going to happen soon. We’re here to watch the fire rise.”

Demonstrators who later saw both videos said they told the police they had spotted the same men at the protests Monday. When the men showed up, protesters said they told them to remove their masks and confronted them. Shortly later, the shootings occurred. After the arrests, posters on 4chan generally condemned the men’s actions after the details emerged — not because they had wounded five people, but largely because they thought the shootings would bring unwanted attention to their group.

“This is going to be full on 4chan/k/ is a terrorist breeding ground with proven ties to racist white extremist groups,” one posted, referring to a subgroup on 4chan that usually focuses on firearms. “You deserve everything that happens once the cable news networks start putting it on the air.”

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Thank you for posting this account. I fail to see anything in the story about the white racist gunmen being beaten and their lives threatened by black protesters. Perhaps Emerald Ghost can back-up his accusations in this regard ...

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:For emerald ghost and Markle -- the three white shooters at the black lives matter protest are confirmed white racists -- and qualify as terrorists the same way the Colorado Planned Parenthood killer qualifies as a white, fundamentalist terrorist.  Reality.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/three-men-who-shot-black-lives-matter-protesters-emerged-internets-racist-swamps?akid=13716.260394.thd5WL&rd=1&src=newsletter1046423&t=6

So you're all your addressing are any white racist.

You have to compare that with all BLACK RACISTS. That REALLY includes a LOT of people.

Why does the media refuse to call violent white supremacists terrorists? Charles%20Barkley_zpsv2iqtl1e

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:
2seaoat wrote:I dunno .... maybe 'cause it was self-defense?


Masks, guns, shots fired.....please give us your theory of self defense.......I bet it is this.....black person......scary person.....I am scared......I can shoot.....I defended myself......either your explanation requires a nation of scardy cats, or a nation with deductive reasoning of a fence pole.

Well, it seems a lot of the Black Lies Matter protesters are wearing masks.  Did not a lot of the Occupy protesters wear those Guy Fawkes masks?  What do masks have to do with it?   Since when did it become illegal again to wear a mask in this country?   The courts threw those laws out a long time ago.

As to self-defense .... well, let's see if I get punched & knocked down twice by an angry mob, then chased down the street & cornered by same .... ummm, yeah ... I think firing upon them would be self-defense.

Supposing the situation were reversed & it were a few Black Lies Matters folks going to video/document a public KKK rally, got punched & knocked down, then chased down the street by a KKK mob & cornered.    What would be your take on that?   Would they have the right to defend themselves with a lawfully carried handgun?

How about sticking to the facts?  Three white people took arms to a black protest and shot black victims.  No question their act was a political statement ... no question it was white terrorism. 

Then Chicago, New Orleans, Detroit are all chuck full of black racists.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
EmeraldGhost wrote:
2seaoat wrote:I dunno .... maybe 'cause it was self-defense?


Masks, guns, shots fired.....please give us your theory of self defense.......I bet it is this.....black person......scary person.....I am scared......I can shoot.....I defended myself......either your explanation requires a nation of scardy cats, or a nation with deductive reasoning of a fence pole.

Well, it seems a lot of the Black Lies Matter protesters are wearing masks.  Did not a lot of the Occupy protesters wear those Guy Fawkes masks?  What do masks have to do with it?   Since when did it become illegal again to wear a mask in this country?   The courts threw those laws out a long time ago.

As to self-defense .... well, let's see if I get punched & knocked down twice by an angry mob, then chased down the street & cornered by same .... ummm, yeah ... I think firing upon them would be self-defense.

Supposing the situation were reversed & it were a few Black Lies Matters folks going to video/document a public KKK rally, got punched & knocked down, then chased down the street by a KKK mob & cornered.    What would be your take on that?   Would they have the right to defend themselves with a lawfully carried handgun?

How about sticking to the facts?  Three white people took arms to a black protest and shot black victims.  No question their act was a political statement ... no question it was white terrorism. 

Then Chicago, New Orleans, Detroit are all chuck full of black racists.

Well Semi-sane "I know NOSSING!" Markle, how stupid do you really think we are? Your childlike effort here to turn the victims into the perpetrators suits your smarmy purpose. The white terrorists who provocatively attended the Black Lives Matter protest, with obvious firearms in their hands, were not avenging white angels, but representatives of the KKK and white Christianity gone shear fucking mad. It's perfectly obvious why a dyed-in-the-wool racist like you would seek to attack the victims. Thank you for doing exactly what I thought you would do, in this thread. Off your prozac again?

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