Romney's 47% comment

By a show of hands, who here agrees with Romney that all of the 47% of Americans that are said to pay no taxes vote for Obama?

I think he should back that statment up by showing us his tax records..

i don't think the tax thing applies... but i would guess there are forty some odd percent of obama supporters that will vote for him no matter what he has done or will do or says. if fact... nothing matters except blind fanaticism and devotion. i still can't figure out what made y'all think he would be a good president in the best of times... much less during difficult times on many fronts... because he gives good speeches? lol... he was a rookie senator... what gives?

boards of FL wrote:By a show of hands, who here agrees with Romney that all of the 47% of Americans that are said to pay no taxes vote for Obama?

Well, the polls do have obama at 47% right now lol

however, in all honesty. There are a fair amount of obama supporters who pay taxes.

He made a off the cuff remark at a poor atempt to define how people who have no dog in the tax fight and who want gov to take care of them will vote for obama. This is true, because people are not going to vote away thier monetary support.

fact is, we have a whole lot of people right now, more than ever who depend on some form of gov finacial help and that is a problem for our countries form of government.


Do you not agree that it is concerning that almost half the country is not paying income tax?

And would you not agree that those who are not really dont give a shit about tax laws unless someone told them they were going to have to start paying some?

My personal experience is that many of my older friends who are retired and receiving mostly government subsidy have been some of the most vocal supporters of Romney. They are white, over 65, and dependent on government checks and government health care. Most people who are on welfare by simple demographics are white, and many of those folks are some of the most vocal anti Obama folks on the earth......until a Republican candidate actually talks about cutting benefits, so the key is only talk about the air breathers when you are with the 50k a plate crowd.....do not let all those folks who vote against their economic interests know that you do not matter.

VectorMan wrote:Maybe not ALL, but a high percentage of them will. After all, Obama believes in redistribution. Kind of his mantra.

Romney must have said something that is true because the media has been in a panic....

2seaoat wrote:My personal experience is that many of my older friends who are retired and receiving mostly government subsidy have been some of the most vocal supporters of Romney. They are white, over 65, and dependent on government checks and government health care. Most people who are on welfare by simple demographics are white, and many of those folks are some of the most vocal anti Obama folks on the earth......until a Republican candidate actually talks about cutting benefits, so the key is only talk about the air breathers when you are with the 50k a plate crowd.....do not let all those folks who vote against their economic interests know that you do not matter.

Perhaps you need to reread your post. I was once living in public housing, 69-71. I got out, why, to improve my life. I did pay income taxes while living at Gonzalez Courts. You know, 2 jobs, attending PJC, etc. I guess it was about self-respect.......an uncommon emotion now.....

kind of like that "panic" when a candidate once said "I am not a witch"........

2seaoat wrote:kind of like that "panic" when a candidate once said "I am not a witch"........

??????????......Going back to the 2010 elections for an example?....nice 'seabiscuit'

To say 47% of Americans pay no taxes is incorrect.
They do pay taxes on their cigarettes, cell phones, gasoline, beer, and all their fast food.

Slicef18 wrote:To say 47% of Americans pay no taxes is incorrect.
They do pay taxes on their cigarettes, cell phones, gasoline, beer, and all their fast food.

he said income taxes Slice

Rogue wrote:

Slicef18 wrote:To say 47% of Americans pay no taxes is incorrect.
They do pay taxes on their cigarettes, cell phones, gasoline, beer, and all their fast food.

he said income taxes Slice

I know, however folks have been bantering the 47% without clarifying that Romney specifically said 47% income tax. They also pay FICA and others. This 47% does pay taxes, just not income taxes.

Tax Policy Center, which provides data showing that in 2011, 46.4 percent of American households paid no federal income tax. The same data shows, however, that nearly two-thirds of households that paid no income tax did pay payroll taxes. And most people also pay some combination of state, local, sales, gas and property taxes.

PkrBum wrote:i don't think the tax thing applies... but i would guess there are forty some odd percent of obama supporters that will vote for him no matter what he has done or will do or says. if fact... nothing matters except blind fanaticism and devotion. i still can't figure out what made y'all think he would be a good president in the best of times... much less during difficult times on many fronts... because he gives good speeches? lol... he was a rookie senator... what gives?

What you say here is essentially true, hence the term base supporters. The same applies to the right who will vote for Romney despite being completely contrary to their economic interests. As always, there are two sides to the coin and there are irrational but committed voting bases on both sides.

Slicef18 wrote:

Rogue wrote:

Slicef18 wrote:To say 47% of Americans pay no taxes is incorrect.
They do pay taxes on their cigarettes, cell phones, gasoline, beer, and all their fast food.

he said income taxes Slice

I know, however folks have been bantering the 47% without clarifying that Romney specifically said 47% income tax. They also pay FICA and others. This 47% does pay taxes, just not income taxes.

Tax Policy Center, which provides data showing that in 2011, 46.4 percent of American households paid no federal income tax. The same data shows, however, that nearly two-thirds of households that paid no income tax did pay payroll taxes. And most people also pay some combination of state, local, sales, gas and property taxes.

I know you saw my honest and guiniune reply to this so I refuse to repeat it.

I was the one who posted the tax policy centers link and info yesterday.

Why cant people discuss the situation honestly? How can any problems ever be solved with our condition if we refuse to address the concerns openly and honestly and only continue to vote or fight over the delivery of how a message is given?

redistribution or freedom. Those are our two choices now. Its been made very clear in this elections by both candidates.

Actually redistribution is a constant by both political parties. Bush redistributed the wealth up and Obama is working to do the same down.

Rogue wrote:

Slicef18 wrote:

Rogue wrote:

Slicef18 wrote:To say 47% of Americans pay no taxes is incorrect.
They do pay taxes on their cigarettes, cell phones, gasoline, beer, and all their fast food.

he said income taxes Slice

I know, however folks have been bantering the 47% without clarifying that Romney specifically said 47% income tax. They also pay FICA and others. This 47% does pay taxes, just not income taxes.

Tax Policy Center, which provides data showing that in 2011, 46.4 percent of American households paid no federal income tax. The same data shows, however, that nearly two-thirds of households that paid no income tax did pay payroll taxes. And most people also pay some combination of state, local, sales, gas and property taxes.

I know you saw my honest and guiniune reply to this so I refuse to repeat it.

I was the one who posted the tax policy centers link and info yesterday.

Why cant people discuss the situation honestly? How can any problems ever be solved with our condition if we refuse to address the concerns openly and honestly and only continue to vote or fight over the delivery of how a message is given?

redistribution or freedom. Those are our two choices now. Its been made very clear in this elections by both candidates.

Paying your fair share of taxes is not redistribution. 47% may not pay taxes but the wealthy don't pay their fair share either and they can afford it so how do you justify that? Romney wants to cut out tax breaks for the middle class but not the rich.Disgusting!

Dreamsglore wrote:

Rogue wrote:

Slicef18 wrote:

Rogue wrote:

Slicef18 wrote:To say 47% of Americans pay no taxes is incorrect.
They do pay taxes on their cigarettes, cell phones, gasoline, beer, and all their fast food.

he said income taxes Slice

I know, however folks have been bantering the 47% without clarifying that Romney specifically said 47% income tax. They also pay FICA and others. This 47% does pay taxes, just not income taxes.

Tax Policy Center, which provides data showing that in 2011, 46.4 percent of American households paid no federal income tax. The same data shows, however, that nearly two-thirds of households that paid no income tax did pay payroll taxes. And most people also pay some combination of state, local, sales, gas and property taxes.

I know you saw my honest and guiniune reply to this so I refuse to repeat it.

I was the one who posted the tax policy centers link and info yesterday.

Why cant people discuss the situation honestly? How can any problems ever be solved with our condition if we refuse to address the concerns openly and honestly and only continue to vote or fight over the delivery of how a message is given?

redistribution or freedom. Those are our two choices now. Its been made very clear in this elections by both candidates.

Paying your fair share of taxes is not redistribution. 47% may not pay taxes but the wealthy don't pay their fair share either and they can afford it so how do you justify that? Romney wants to cut out tax breaks for the middle class but not the rich.Disgusting!

Individual Taxes

America’s individual tax code applies relatively high marginal tax rates on a narrow tax base. Those high rates discourage work and entrepreneurship, as well as savings and investment. With 54 percent of private sector workers employed outside of corporations, individual rates also define the incentives for job-creating businesses. Lower marginal tax rates secure for all Americans the economic gains from tax reform.

Make permanent, across-the-board 20 percent cut in marginal rates
Maintain current tax rates on interest, dividends, and capital gains
Eliminate taxes for taxpayers with AGI below $200,000 on interest, dividends, and capital gains
Eliminate the Death Tax
Repeal the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)


Corporate Taxes

The U.S. economy’s 35 percent corporate tax rate is among the highest in the industrial world, reducing the ability of our nation’s businesses to compete in the global economy and to invest and create jobs at home. By limiting investment and growth, the high rate of corporate tax also hurts U.S. wages.

Cut the corporate rate to 25 percent
Strengthen and make permanent the R&D tax credit
Switch to a territorial tax system
Repeal the corporate Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT)

http://www.mittromney.com/issues/tax