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The Mother Jones Secret Romney Video thread

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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

I wake up in the middle of the night with insomnia and the radio news is telling me about this.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

At a hastily called news conference late in the day, Romney offered no apologies for his remarks, and when he was asked if he was concerned he had offended anyone, he conceded the comments weren't "elegantly stated" and they were spoken "off the cuff."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57514678/romney-offers-no-apologies-for-victims-remarks/?tag=cbsContent;cbsCarousel

knothead

knothead

Bob, would this be considered a gaffe?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

knothead wrote:Bob, would this be considered a gaffe?
It's mainly two things.

One, for an endeavor like this (campaigning for president), it reveals a total lack of awareness that anything he says can and probably will be recorded and exposed.

Two, when he talks about "the 47% who don't pay taxes" and "will never take personal responsibility for their lives" that includes most senior citizens who did work hard all their lives. And many of those worked a lot harder to get whatever they had than romney did since they weren't members of the sperm club (born with silver spoons in their mouths).

Guest


Guest

I think he said "income Taxes" But that much is true as I dont pay Income taxes.

I have paid a lot of income tax in the past. I still pay every other type of tax Gasoline tax(no discounts for old bums like me)food, property,we all know the drill. But to infer that I dont pay taxes is bull shit. I guess I fall in the 47% that do not take personal responsibility for their lives........................Sorry............

Guest


Guest

if the 47% were paying attention to the results of policy, debt, and the federal reserve...

they would not vote for obama either.

2seaoat



Romney represents everything which has been wrong in America. For the past few months I have been getting very frustrated that Americans were not seeing the Real Romney. This tape shows the real Romney. I have never heard him so natural and spontaneous. I will be taking early social security next year......even if I was brain dead and thought that anybody but Obama would be better for this country.......even in a brain dead state.....this man's disdain for America and its people could never be more clear. He is rightly going to get his aszz kicked in this election and maybe we can start to search for answers.....but to suggest because I get a social security check that I am some how less of an American......tar and feathers.

gulfbeachbandit

gulfbeachbandit

He's not talking about retirees. He's talking about the welfare/foodstamp/section 8 housing people. You know, the lazy and stupid people. Not the people who earned their retirement.

Sal

Sal

ghandi wrote:He's not talking about retirees. He's talking about the welfare/foodstamp/section 8 housing people. You know, the lazy and stupid people. Not the people who earned their retirement.

Then he's really bad at math.

Nekochan

Nekochan

Romney spoke the truth. I do not believe that he was talking about the people who worked all their lives, paid income taxes, and are retired.

Nekochan

Nekochan

I don't know if he's bad at math or not. My mother did not file taxes for some 20 years before she passed away because she owed no taxes. I don't think that she was ever counted in the 47%.

Guest


Guest

Nekochan wrote:Romney spoke the truth. I do not believe that he was talking about the people who worked all their lives, paid income taxes, and are retired.

he did get it right. But that wont matter.

Some 46.4% of households will pay no federal income tax this year, according to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center. That’s up from 39.9% in 2007, the year the recession began.

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/10/05/nearly-half-of-households-receive-some-government-benefit/

Nekochan

Nekochan

We have to have a system that looks after the elderly and meets the promises made to them that they will receive their social security benefits. And we have to take care of the innocent who cannot take care of themselves. No child in the USA should ever go hungry. And this has been a hard time for a lot of hard working Americans. People who have lost their jobs and who are struggling to make ends meet need some help. They need temporary help until they're able to get back on their feet. And most of those people in that position who are used to working and taking care of their families do not even want to take any help. They need help but don't want a hand out.
And then there's a significant number of able bodied adults that are standing there with their hands out, who have no interest in working if they can get something for free.

knothead

knothead

PkrBum wrote:if the 47% were paying attention to the results of policy, debt, and the federal reserve...

they would not vote for obama either.


Not necessarily pkr, within that much ballyhooed 47% who do not pay Federal income tax are retired citizens who do rely on their SS benefits and Medicare and are not only Democrats but are ideologically diverse. Mr. Romney's position of being the candidate for the elite of the nation was clearly espoused but then we've known that all along.

Nekochan

Nekochan

So you really think he was talking about 70 year olds who worked for 40 years and are now receiving social security benefits?

I am sure he will clarify this between now and election day.

knothead

knothead

Nekochan wrote:So you really think he was talking about 70 year olds who worked for 40 years and are now receiving social security benefits?

I am sure he will clarify this between now and election day.


Neko, I am simply going by what the man said. He said that 47% of Americans do not pay Federal income tax which is true (actually 46.3%). Within that 47% are all the people we collectively feel that are 'takers' with no ambition but also, and this is my point, within that same 47% are all the hard working law abiding senior citizens (Democrats, Republicans, Independents) who rely on SS and Medicare for their basic existence. You cannot make a declaration that you are speaking for Mr. Romney for 'what he meant.' It is a literal translation and interpretation. Of course, he will begin damage control today and begin explaining 'what he meant'. It's Romney's country club fantasy in my view.

Sal

Sal

October 3, 2012 - University of Denver - First Presidential Debate

OBAMA - "I am running for reelection to represent 100% of the American people including the 47% of Americans who do not pay federal income tax, ... like you Mitt.

The Mother Jones Secret Romney Video thread 399507



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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

This is verbatim what he said...

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax."


That 47% is the number of people who pay no income tax. It includes all the seniors who pay no tax because their income is below the threshold for taxation. Do those seniors "believe that they are victims"? Are all of those "the people who will vote for Obama no matter what"? Do all of those "believe they're entitled to food, to housing, to you-name-it"?

And after his words in that video were made public, he held a press conference to respond to it. And that response DID NOT clarify that he wasn't including those people. In effect, he doubled down again.

Nekochan

Nekochan

Romney has requested that the entire audio be released.

Guest


Guest

Bob wrote:This is verbatim what he said...

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax."


That 47% is the number of people who pay no income tax. It includes all the seniors who pay no tax because their income is below the threshold for taxation. Do those seniors "believe that they are victims"? Are all of those "the people who will vote for Obama no matter what"? Do all of those "believe they're entitled to food, to housing, to you-name-it"?

And after his words in that video were made public, he held a press conference to respond to it. And that response DID NOT clarify that he wasn't including those people. In effect, he doubled down again.


and again he is right. People who vote for benefits for themselves will vote for obama. I think that is very clear.

People who are willing to be bought off for a few crumbs will vote for obama. see, I said it again too.

no matter what thier age is.

Your old and youve already said you will vote for whoever makes sure you get healthcare.

why is this so hard to understand?

we have two very different directions to choose from.

one where the gov takes care of your every need, and the other that expects you to do something for yourself( we used to call that "freedom" in this country). This later does not mean that seniors or people in need such as disabled etc are going to be left out in the cold. Thats rediculus to think that.

but I can tell you one thing. The plans, rules, laws that obama has in place is NOT in favor of poor people as you might think. Because they are not. obama's plans are against every american citizen. His plans are basically against America and American ideas all togther. He is a totaltarian dictator.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

What Romney said is comparable to Obama getting caught saying this in 2008...

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

What it reveals is both are guided by stereotypes.





2seaoat



He is a totaltarian dictator.

Which is it.........you cannot have it both ways......I thought he was buying the democracy and votes with government benefits?

knothead

knothead

ghandi wrote:He's not talking about retirees. He's talking about the welfare/foodstamp/section 8 housing people. You know, the lazy and stupid people. Not the people who earned their retirement.


Then you must be clairvoyant to know what's inside this man's mind, if so, you are the only one who does.

Guest


Guest

Bob wrote:What Romney said is comparable to Obama getting caught saying this in 2008...

And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.

What it reveals is both are guided by stereotypes.






everyone has some sort of stereotypical mindset.

Not that I agree with all of it, just being truthful.

The point of 2 very different directions for this country stand though.

I'm not crazy about romney. But obama's direction repulses me. We are going broke and he has more radical plans for money we dont have. He doenst care anything about a budget. Its just all air money to him. Thats the true sign of someone out of touch. Its like my children have no problem spending my money. Thats how obama behaves.

Nekochan

Nekochan

knothead wrote:
ghandi wrote:He's not talking about retirees. He's talking about the welfare/foodstamp/section 8 housing people. You know, the lazy and stupid people. Not the people who earned their retirement.


Then you must be clairvoyant to know what's inside this man's mind, if so, you are the only one who does.

Well, like I said, my mother, who got by on $950 a month, without housing aid or food stamps, never filed taxes after my father retired.

The 47% are people who filed but paid no taxes.

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