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Obama Flips on Afghanistan Flop

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http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/561f7bebe4b0c5a1ce6217e2

WASHINGTON (AP) —President Barack Obama will keep 5,500 U.S. troops in Afghanistan when he leaves office in 2017,according to senior administration officials,casting aside his promise to end the war on his watch and instead ensuring he hands the conflict off to his successor.

Obama had originally planned to pull out all but a small,embassy-based U.S. military presence by the end of next year,a timeline coinciding with the final weeks of his presidency. But military leaders argued for months that the Afghans needed additional assistance and support from the U.S. to beat back a resurgent Taliban and hold onto gains made over the last 14 years of American bloodshed and billions of dollars in aid.

The president was to announce the changes Thursday morning from the White House. Officials said he would outline plans to maintain the current force of 9,800 troops in Afghanistan through most of next year,then draw down to 5,500 troops in 2017,at a pace still to be determined by commanders.

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I think he should just pull them all out. It's obvious that he isn't trying to accomplish anything... and there really isn't anything that will sustain itself after we leave anyway. It's likely that he is just going to sacrifice the remaining americans due to his ideologic and strategic ineptitude... just like he and hillary did in benghazi.

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He is kicking the can down the road....

Markle

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Obamasucks wrote:He is kicking the can down the road....

He desperately wants to get out of office before Afghanistan explodes as did Iraq and there was peace and a Democracy in that country.

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Thanks to Dubya, we're still practicing Rumsfeld's idiotic strategy of fighting (and losing) wars with minimal boots on the ground.

The truth is, if you want to absolutely control a Mideastern country, like Iraq, Syria or Afghanistan, you need a million troops in-country, and you need a commitment to leave them there for no less than ten years.

It's politics and money.  With our economy in shambles, thanks to the bloodsucking corporate oligarchs who have managed to buy congress, we can't afford a million troops or the costs of ten years' engagement.

So, our Neocon-led government is stuck trying to do way too much, with way too little ... and we keep losing.

Obama's latest decision indicates we are going to continue our suicidal death spiral.

Russia gets it right:  Both Russia and Iran share the same threat -- ISIS and Al Qaeda.  By propping up Assad, they get to fight and destroy their enemies outside their own borders.  They will commit whatever amount of forces will do the job.  And they will win.

Smart beats stupid.



Joanimaroni

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Political correctness doesn't win a war.

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PkrBum wrote: It's likely that he is just going to sacrifice the remaining americans due to his ideologic and strategic ineptitude... just like he and hillary did in benghazi.



But the text that you quoted says the exact opposite.  Can you really not comprehend what you read?  Watch.


Obama had originally planned to pull out all but a small,embassy-based U.S. military presence by the end of next year,a timeline coinciding with the final weeks of his presidency. But military leaders argued for months that the Afghans needed additional assistance and support from the U.S. to beat back a resurgent Taliban and hold onto gains made over the last 14 years of American bloodshed and billions of dollars in aid.


His "ideologic [sic] and strategic ineptitude" calls for pulling the troops out.  It is due to the fact that "military leaders argued for months that the Afghans needed additional assistance" that is driving him to leave the level of troops that he is now planning to leave.  Let me dumb that down for you.  Obama had his own vision for how the presence in Afghanistan would wind down, though upon hearing a chorus of protests from military leaders who recommend a slower, more gradual draw down, he has now agreed with them and will take their advice.  

And what makes your post even more idiotic is you're equating that with Clinton and Benghazi.  Keep in mind that your Clinton narrative - which has been investigated more than anything else in US history and yielded absolutely no wrongdoing - is that Clinton ignored the advice of military advisers and caused the deaths of four people.  Now we have Obama heeding the advice of military advisers and leaving behind a greater troop presence than was originally planned...and you're saying the two are exactly the same.

It's posts like this one, PkrBum, that confirm the fact that you are a dumbass.  I can forgive your incompetence with respect to not being able to correctly analyze the situation at hand - not everyone is born smart - but the lacking reading comprehension for an adult is inexcusable.


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You should stick to govt math... you obviously have no idea what's going on over there. 10k and certainly 5k troops are woefully outnumbered and then put upon them are ridiculous progressive roe and restrictions. All while isis is coming in too.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/world/asia/afghan-isis-branch-makes-inroads-in-battle-against-taliban.htm

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PkrBum wrote:You should stick to govt math... you obviously have no idea what's going on over there. 10k and certainly 5k troops are woefully outnumbered and then put upon them are ridiculous progressive roe and restrictions. All while isis is coming in too.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/world/asia/afghan-isis-branch-makes-inroads-in-battle-against-taliban.htm


Let's take this point by point.

You believe that Clinton disregarded the advice of military advisers and then that resulted in the deaths of four Americans, correct?  Isn't it your belief that people were telling Clinton that more staff was needed, she disregarded that, the embassy was overran, and then four people died?  Isn't that correct?


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Look I have been talking to a fox news expert named Wayne Simmons and he has 23 years experience in the CIA and he said simply ignore facts, blame Muslims, and trumpet U.S. propaganda.

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boards of FL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:You should stick to govt math... you obviously have no idea what's going on over there. 10k and certainly 5k troops are woefully outnumbered and then put upon them are ridiculous progressive roe and restrictions. All while isis is coming in too.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/world/asia/afghan-isis-branch-makes-inroads-in-battle-against-taliban.htm


Let's take this point by point.

You believe that Clinton disregarded the advice of military advisers and then that resulted in the deaths of four Americans, correct?  Isn't it your belief that people were telling Clinton that more staff was needed, she disregarded that, the embassy was overran, and then four people died?  Isn't that correct?



Uh oh...it's happening again.


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Wordslinger wrote:


Russia gets it right:  Both Russia and Iran share the same threat -- ISIS and Al Qaeda.  By propping up Assad, they get to fight and destroy their enemies outside their own borders.  They will commit whatever amount of forces will do the job.  And they will win.

Smart beats stupid.




They sure didn't get it right in Afghanistan in the 1980s and they surely lost.

TEOTWAWKI

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Obamasucks wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:


Russia gets it right:  Both Russia and Iran share the same threat -- ISIS and Al Qaeda.  By propping up Assad, they get to fight and destroy their enemies outside their own borders.  They will commit whatever amount of forces will do the job.  And they will win.

Smart beats stupid.






They sure didn't get it right in Afghanistan in the 1980s and they surely lost.

Well in the eighties we were not bashful about supplying arms to Al Qaeda. It's gotten a little more complex...Our army is a Gay, transsexual, female infantry with PC tendencies....Our newest hardware is questionable and the Russkies have perfected a lot of theirs.

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TEOTWAWKI wrote:
Obamasucks wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:


Russia gets it right:  Both Russia and Iran share the same threat -- ISIS and Al Qaeda.  By propping up Assad, they get to fight and destroy their enemies outside their own borders.  They will commit whatever amount of forces will do the job.  And they will win.

Smart beats stupid.






They sure didn't get it right in Afghanistan in the 1980s and they surely lost.

Well in the eighties we were not bashful about supplying arms to Al Qaeda. It's gotten a little more complex...Our army is a Gay, transsexual, female infantry with PC tendencies....Our newest hardware is questionable and the Russkies have perfected a lot of theirs.


Russia's economy is tanking.  Their currency is tanking.  So much money is fleeing the country that they can't use interest rates as a means of combating their shitty economy, so they're experiencing double digit interest rates, which hinders growth and investment.  The value of their chief export and driver of their economy - oil - has plummeted and has a very bleak future.  Their GDP per capita is very close to our poverty line in the US, and there is every reason to believe that, as time moves forward, their GDP per capita will actually fall below our poverty line.

But if you ask a dumbass, them Russians are cleaning our clocks!  They're the cutting edge economy and super power!


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Wordslinger wrote:Thanks to Dubya, we're still practicing Rumsfeld's idiotic strategy of fighting (and losing) wars with minimal boots on the ground.

The truth is, if you want to absolutely control a Mideastern country, like Iraq, Syria or Afghanistan, you need a million troops in-country, and you need a commitment to leave them there for no less than ten years.

It's politics and money.  With our economy in shambles, thanks to the bloodsucking corporate oligarchs who have managed to buy congress, we can't afford a million troops or the costs of ten years' engagement.

So, our Neocon-led government is stuck trying to do way too much, with way too little ... and we keep losing.

Obama's latest decision indicates we are going to continue our suicidal death spiral.

Russia gets it right:  Both Russia and Iran share the same threat -- ISIS and Al Qaeda.  By propping up Assad, they get to fight and destroy their enemies outside their own borders.  They will commit whatever amount of forces will do the job.  And they will win.

Smart beats stupid.

It is good to know who is stupid as well. As you recall, it is Progressives who were identified as being stupid, numerous times, by their own architect of Obamacare, Jonathan Gruber. Truer words were never spoken!

Yes indeed, especially since semi-retired President Obama has been ignoring his military advisers for nearly SEVEN YEARS.

With President Obama, he has NEVER been in it to win it.

Iraq was one of the great successes of President Obama administration.  He, and all the Progressives here were told that if we left Iraq with a vacuum, someone else would fill the vacuum and it would be worse.

President Obama has turned the Middle East into a Hell of Biblical proportions because he has said he is not a leader and has proven to be a massive failure.

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Markle wrote:...has proven to be a massive failure.

Actually the massive failure has been semi-demented poster Markle's sophomoric attempts to be relevant on this forum and the PNJ forum of old during the last 9 years. Really, who has he ever convinced with the cheap propaganda that he recycles continually by cutting and pasting the same old slop repeatedly?

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