I think I have a system to beat the Casino

I have never been one to play table games in a Casino with any expectation of winning over a long period of time. The odds are certain that you will lose. Now experts have elaborate odds for each table game with craps and blackjack being the least risky to a patron of a casino. The other games are true carnival games which sucker people with terrible odds.

I have been playing Mississippi stud while waiting to get in the poker room the last three years. When I first played it, I was killed. I read the books and practiced on the simulators on line and have a solid book game. However, a solid book game only guarantees the Casino will ALWAYS win over a period of a thousand hands.

I have found a casino where the pit bosses and dealers do not object to chatty players. My rules are as follows: never sit at a Mississippi Stud table with less than three players. Most will seat five or six. Make sure you are very loose with protecting your cards so that adjacent players can see your cards and the sophisticated tables players are very sloppy with protecting their cards. Sitting in the middle position allows the maximum amount of information on adjacent cards. Next always announce what card you want the dealer to flip. The dealer has three down cards. You are dealt two which if you are sloppy people adjacent to you know if there are duplication with your cards. When players are announcing what cards they want you now have additional information. So a person with an ace/king would normally make all three bets because they have two winning cards. However, if two other players who are adjacent to you are calling out for an ace or king, or you have seen an ace or king, you now have the factor which changes the odds. You fold a good hand, and if you are betting ten dollar bets, this means a savings of twenty dollars on a hand you would normally make two additional bets.

This brings the odds of this game down to blackjack odds, but in black jack you normally can only double your bet, with an occasional tripling when say you split eights and get hit with an additional eight. In Mississippi you can triple your bet and when you make this decision unlike blackjack you do not triple unless there is virtually no chance of loss with the exception of fifth street bets.

I have been consistently winning for the last three years as have the sophisticated players who sit down at the table. The fish come and do not talk. They cover their cards. They chase cards and make huge profits for the casino. I have made about 12k over the last three years playing this game waiting to get in the poker room. I have been consistently losing in poker which has created a net loss in 2013 and 2014, but I am having a great 2015 year, and I have not made one final table. This may be the game that a chatty public can beat the house.

Bob, this is your queue to compare this activity to bringing Gobstoppers to the movie theater.

The difference is that each casino has different rules in regard to chatter and not guarding your cards.   Some are very restrictive.  One casino in California deals all cards face up, as their rules count on the fish chasing good cards and not understanding probabilities.   This casino is known for trying to get players because of new competition.   So they have instructed their dealers and pit bosses to allow loose cards and chatter.   They even have modified the iron clad rule about lending money from the table when a player has a winning hand and rather then going into their wallet another player lets them use their  chips.  This is unheard of in most Mississippi Stud games because they want a player to be out of money and unable to triple fourth and fifth street.   A movie theater that allows patrons to bring in their own food would be the comparison to this casino.  I am winning consistently.   Just gave my wife $1,200 to upgrade the railing system on the deck and handicap ramp from wood to white aluminum.  I am doing very well in this game because of my book knowledge, the loose casino rules, and sophisticated players I am playing at the same time at the table.

boards of FL wrote:Bob, this is your queue to compare this activity to bringing Gobstoppers to the movie theater.  

hahahahahahaha.  roflmao.  Best line you've ever written!!

It's like this,  seaoat.  I'm watching Wrastlemania right now (the kid's table one).  I'll have to concentrate to understand what your system is and I can't do that right now.  Sure will later though.

But I will say this.  Even if you have come up with a system that works,  and other than counting cards at blackjack,  I've never heard of any other system that works;  but even if it does work the casino industry will eventually prohibit it same as card counting.  So get as much loot as you can before they catch on to it.  lol
And if I read it and it makes sense,  we'll join forces and I'll work Biloxi while you keep doing the midwest.  But we have to work quick.  Once they catch on,  the whole industry will know about it the next day.
And I don't want to end up with a broken kneecap that has sledgehammer marks on it.  lol

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Here's one of the Commandments in the casino business.

The suckers are never allowed to use skill to gain an advantage when playing against the House.  And ESPECIALLY not if that advantage let's them "beat" the house (in other words,  get more than a 100% return on investment).

Using skill to gain an advantage is allowed in games when you aren't playing against the House (poker).  But not when you're playing against the House.

When you're playing against the House,  the only thing that is allowed to determine your return is the law of probabilities.  And that law ALWAYS favors the House.

So if the excitement and the entertainment and the flashing lights and the free drinks is worth the amount you invest in the gambling,  then go for it.
Otherwise stay out of the casino. Or buy casino stock and become part owner.

Like poker, Mississippi Stud success is a combination of having the skill and discipline of knowing when to fold when the probabilities dictate the same, and wisely managing your doubling and tripling of your bet based on the information you can gather. In a game of blackjack, a player will still lose, but can narrow the odds by counting cards, but in a seven deck black jack shoe it would take the discipline of the MIT team at the Elgin Casino which I have played to succeed. Their method also required getting extra information to improve the odds which required complicity which was done with stealth in mind. They got caught because they broke the rules.

Here it is the narrowing of the odds and getting information within the rules of individual casinos. Mississippi Stud has about a 3.5% house advantage compared to blackjack having an approximated 1.5% advantage. So a Mississippi Stud table is a high revenue producer which has a $25 limit on the bet. A blackjack table has a 2k limit which once the MIT group found a shoe which was statistically favorable they would signal and bring in the whale to bet the table max and kill the table. Casinos would lose on these tables.

Where a casino has a high profit table because of folks who think it is luck and do not have a skill set, those possessing the skills within an individual casinos loose rules will profit. Where consistently the social banter and lose shielding of cards makes the table game fun for new players, the casino hedges their bet that those who are mastering the odds help bring the fish to the table and will chase cards to fifth street. This is simply an economic decision each casino makes within the gaming commissions guidelines in each state. I have outlined a vulnerability and odds reduction which can consistently allow good poker players who understand the probabilities of poker to further the odds to the range of blackjack, but where blackjack limits the favorable cards to a simple double, the Mississippi stud will allow tripling. I feel like in a thousand hands in this casino with other sophisticated players I can and have made money......not the kind of money you retire on, but the kind of money which allows a person to have fun at a casino and NOT lose money.

I don't understand it. But if I can learn how to do it I'll invest a few bucks at the Beau Rivage to see what happens. Can you teach me?
If you do, I'll show you how to trip the payout slides from outside the cabinet on an antique slot machine.

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PkrBum wrote:http://www.pokernews.com/news/2014/04/details-emerge-in-borgata-s-lawsuit-against-phil-ivey-18040.htm

hahaha I love the ingenuity of some of these characters. lol

Where a person has the full book knowledge of the odds, they still should NEVER sit down at a table in ANY casino which offers Mississippi Stud by themselves because it now becomes pure luck and instead of gathering information on 12 to 15 cards the player gets information from only five cards......no matter how good the skill set of the player, they can only marginally reduce the house advantage of 3.5%. Again full table.....loose cards.......chatter. Now a player has information on 15 cards vs 5 cards. This advantage following the discipline of a booked player means you win.

Now will the casino clamp down on the social and talkative Mississippi stud tables, not until donkeys understand the game, and understand the chatter. They do not, and they continue to lose incredible amounts compared to a blackjack table.

Again the top bet on a Mississippi Stud table is $25. This is not a matter of cheating but following the rules which each casino allows and improving the odds.

2seaoat wrote:Again the top bet on a Mississippi Stud table is $25.  This is not a matter of cheating but following the rules which each casino allows and improving the odds.

Don't misunderstand my earlier comments.  I've always been of the opinion that anyone should be able to use his personal skills to get an advantage on a goddamn casino.  For casinos to get away with calling that cheating makes me see red.   It's nothing but an admission on the part of the casinos that they're too cowardly to actually do any gambling themselves.  For them there's no gambling to it.  They will get a set percentage of your money and that's it.  
They're not in the gambling business.  They're in the fleecing business.  
And because of that,  I won't even go in one and if I do it's only to get the free drinks by playing a few coins in the slot machines.
But I will go in if I can use a system that works if I can get away with it before they put a stop to it.  

So I want to learn this system.  And I'll go ahead and do my part and show you how to cheat an antique slot machine.  And this applies to any Mills or Jennings slot machine (the ones mostly in use) made prior to the early 50's.

You can still find these in operation.  But this is just like that $25 game you're playing.  The take each time is only 20 quarters (five bucks).
If you can find a row of them,  you can increase the take in a given slot machine location by the number of machines you cheat.  
And it's also like your game because two people are needed.

Here's how it's done.   You'll need a little drill similiar to this with a 1/8" bit in it.  Buy a good titanium bit because you want to do the drilling quickly.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-Micro-Small-Electric-Aluminum-Hand-Drill-PCB-80-Twist-Drill-Bits-0-8-1-5mm-/381008422307

While your accomplice is standing beside you on your right and shielding others from seeing what you're doing,  you palm the drill and drill a hole where the red spot is that I've added to this photograph...



The exact spot is not critical but get pretty close to it.
After you've drilled the hole,  stick a piece of old time coat hanger wire into it.  That will need to be about 6" long so you can get your hand on it to move it.
You will cycle a quarter into the machine.  After you do that,  push on the wire until you feel it hit metal.  Keep pushing and let the machine finish cycling.  The wire you're pushing has released all six coin slides and when the cycle ends, the 20 coins will be payed out regardless of what symbols are showing on the reels.

DISCLAIMER:  Do this at your own risk.  I don't do this because I have an aversion to being inside a jail cell (been there, done that and it's not to my liking).  I imagine if caught,  you will at least be charged with destruction of private property and you may even end up in the hospital depending on who owns the slot machines.

I didn't make one thing clear. You can keep cycling the same machine several times until the coin tube has emptied.
If I remember right, the coin tube holds about four rolls of quarters.
That's $40. So you can get about $40 out of each machine before you move to the next one.

That is cheating. I am talking about exploiting the very rules which allow a chatty table and sloppy viewing of a players cards. Some casinos do not allow a chatty table or sloppy viewing of cards. A pit boss or dealer will ask a player to shield their cards, or tell a player who is calling out for a card to not share his cards with the table. They certainly will not allow borrowing between players in an active hand. They have online training tools for learning the odds in Mississippi Stud, a person should spend about thirty days learning the odds before visiting any casino. Each casino has different rules. Learn those rules and get as much information with 15 cards and never play when the information available is only five cards......you can not beat the odds. I am not suggesting getting accomplices to fill a table because that would be an intent to cheat the casino by signalling the cards, rather I am saying a skilled player must find the right casino and local rules which allows as much of the 15 cards to become known. Fold every single hand which does not follow the book odds. You cannot end by chasing cards. This requires incredible discipline, but the rewards are not the hundreds of thousands or even millions that an MIT group won, rather ten thousand a year is very obtainable with playing only a couple times a week. This is more about entertainment and the challenge of beating the system.

If your system works I like it so keep doing it. I was kidding about me wanting to do it because my other interests don't leave time for it. Mainly partying and goofing off in retirement. lol
But anytime I hear about somebody getting the best of a gambling casino it makes me happy.

I golfed for the first time in a year three weeks ago. I shot a 41 on the front and had five putts for birdies which I normally would nail if I was regularly playing, I missed all those putts, and then on the ninth hole I just was completely worn out. I played the final nine but it was a struggle and I shot a 48 and barely finished. All I really have left to compete is poker and a once and awhile table game at the casino. The doctors did not want me to quit working because with endocrine cancer they have found that those who work and stay active live the longest. Steve Jobs attended a board meeting one week before he passed. I am having more fun with life than I ever had when I was playing 125 rounds of golf and was shooting in the 70s on Tiger Point when I belonged there, but as Hallmark can tell you.......tired and I mean really tired is the sad reality for people with cancerous tumors on their liver. So when I say I have found an advantage with one casino in one game, it really allows me to play like a child with no real down side. My wife is cool with me staying out to 3am, and I have never cheated on her in forty years of marriage which we celebrate next June. So whether you are fooling around with grandchildren, having fun playing in your backyard, or just competing until your last breath, life is good and I will have to show some photos of our deck and handicap ramp after we finish the stone work.....I just get so little done now and have to have a chair outside when I am working.