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The truth about Iran . . .

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1The truth about Iran . . .  Empty The truth about Iran . . . 9/7/2015, 6:09 am

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

"A brief history of U.S.-Iranian relations reveals everything about who should be distrustful of whom.

In 1953, the CIA overthrew Iran’s democratically elected government and installed the Shah, a brutal dictator who proceeded to establish one of the worst human rights records of the era. Following the Iranian Revolution in 1979, which deposed the Shah, Washington turned its favor to another brutal dictator in the region: Saddam Hussein, who received U.S. aid throughout the Iran-Iraq War. Ever since the revolution, the U.S. has imposed various sanctions on Iran. And most recently, we launched major military operations in two of Iran’s neighboring states, further destabilizing the region and threatening Iran’s own safety.

But in the eyes of U.S. commentary, Iran remains the supreme evil. It’s instructive, for instance, that without any irony or self-awareness we charge Iran with interfering in the Iraq War – a war we instigated from the other side of the world, against massive international protest, on Iran’s doorstep. Actually, Iran’s involvement in the Iraq conflict has necessarily increased with the growing threat of ISIS, a group that only exists because of the immense power vacuum and destabilization caused by the U.S. invasion.

With all the trouble Washington causes in and around Iranian borders, it’s a wonder Tehran has as much restraint as it does. Iran has launched zero invasions in modern history. Its alleged support for terrorism mostly concerns the aid it provides to secure its regional interests and to Hamas and Hezbollah, groups that emerged as resistance against Israeli aggression in Lebanon and the West Bank.

Even more fuss is made in Western commentary over Ayatollah Khomeini and former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s alleged threats to “wipe Israel off the face of the map.” As historian and prominent Middle Eastern commentator Juan Cole clarifies, such a literal threat was never made. “The actual quote,” Cole writes, “does not imply military action, or killing anyone at all … [Ahmadinejad] quoted Khomeini that ‘the occupation regime over Jerusalem should vanish from the page of time.’ It is in fact probably a reference to some phrase in a medieval Persian poem. It is not about tanks.”

It would be nothing short of suicidal for Iran to make such a threat. But Israeli/Iranian tensions are real, and nuclear weapons are part of the problem. Three states within three or fewer borders of Iran possess nuclear weapons: Israel, Pakistan and India. Unlike Iran, none of them have signed the nuclear nonproliferation treaty. Also unlike Iran, all three are U.S. allies.

Not only has Israel not signed the NPT, it doesn’t even admit it has nuclear weapons – though its arsenal is one of the world’s worst-kept secrets. Meanwhile, even U.S. intelligence indicates Iran has not tried to develop a nuclear weapon. Our fear of terrorists getting hold of a nuclear bomb via Iran is borderline hysterical, but the far more realistic possibility that they might acquire one through our ally Pakistan is hardly ever brought up.

Whether or not support for terrorism is justified also depends on who’s doing it. The U.S. gives tremendous support to Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, two of the leading sponsors of terror in the region. What it all boils down to is very simple: Washington-approved clients are allowed to possess nuclear weapons and support terror; others may not.

Iran is not without its blemishes. It restricts the freedoms of its people in myriad ways and exercises capital punishment liberally. Nothing it does is any worse – and probably a great deal less extreme – than U.S. allies like Saudi Arabia, but it’s far from perfect. Nor is the nuclear deal perfect: For one thing, it frees Iran to ramp up its oil production at a time when the burning of fossil fuels is known to have put the world’s ecology on the brink of collapse.

But it’s hard to deny that curtailing nuclear weapons proliferation and opening up a dialogue are bad things. At the very least, it’s a step in the right direction – if, that is, peace and stability are the direction we want to go. For American warmongers, it apparently isn’t. The idea that Republicans would invade Iran over, of all things, being amenable and making a deal – a deal that forces them to make a great deal of concessions that regional U.S. allies like Israel would never make – is unconscionable, particularly in light of our own crimes and unethical sponsorships in the region."

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/32250-scott-walker-meet-noam-chomsky-heres-the-real-iran-history-republicans-need-to-learn


The facts are, when we invaded Iraq, civilians living adjacent to suspected Iraqi military sites were targeted for bombing attacks by fighter-jets. The planners of these attacks knew that innocent non-combatants -- old men, women and children -- would be killed or maimed. This knowledge, that civilians would be killed, qualifies as a Crime against humanity. It is estimated that between 250,000 and 1,000,000 Iraqis have been killed by American arms since 2003.

Prior to the removal of Saddam and his Baathist government, the area was relatively stable -- the catastrophes of Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Libya etc. were a result of what the American invasion and occupation of Iraq created.

Reality.



Guest


Guest

Reality- Obama was handed off a stable Iraq. If you think killing your own people like Saddam did into the hundreds of thousands is stable, it's only because it never affected you personally.

Guest


Guest

Obamasucks wrote:Reality- Obama was handed off a stable Iraq. If you think killing your own people like Saddam did into the hundreds of thousands is stable, it's only because it never affected you personally.  


I find the "stable Iraq" quite laughable.  Yep, those Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds were singing and holding hands 'round the campfire thanking allah for the US bringing them peace.



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TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

SheWrites wrote:
Obamasucks wrote:Reality- Obama was handed off a stable Iraq. If you think killing your own people like Saddam did into the hundreds of thousands is stable, it's only because it never affected you personally.  


I find the "stable Iraq" quite laughable.  Yep, those Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds were singing and hold hands 'round the campfire thanking allah for the US bringing them peace.




Well of course they are only now they are doing it in Europe....I think they can all unite under the goal of accosting  women that don't hide under a portable tent....


http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/346059

Muslim gang-rapes across Europe under-reported in press

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Guest

SheWrites wrote:
Obamasucks wrote:Reality- Obama was handed off a stable Iraq. If you think killing your own people like Saddam did into the hundreds of thousands is stable, it's only because it never affected you personally.  


I find the "stable Iraq" quite laughable.  Yep, those Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds were singing and holding hands 'round the campfire thanking allah for the US bringing them peace.

Saddam, when they did not get along,  rounded them up, shot them, and then buried them in mass graves during his time. I guess that's ok huh?

Here, evidence that the Iraqi people were happy....

http://bismarcktribune.com/news/opinion/mailbag/iraqi-people-thankful-to-the-u-s/article_2c2a3751-951b-5b4e-ac70-1775dfb05be4.html

https://www.questia.com/newspaper/1G1-57524242/we-need-saddam-gone-iraqis-want-u-s-to-know-their

http://lubbockonline.com/stories/071303/war_071303078.shtml#.Ve2WMcJRGP9

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/10-years-after-the-fall-of-saddam-how-do-iraqis-look-back-on-the-war/277362/

From this link ^

"Iraq, today, 10 years on from the war, from the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, is not what the Iraqi people hoped for and expected. We hoped for an inclusive democracy, an Iraq that is at peace with itself and at peace with its neighbors," Salih said. "To be blunt, we are far from that."

"But," he added, "it's important to understand where we started from. ... Literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were sent to mass graves. Ten years on from the demise of Saddam Hussein, we're still discovering mass graves across Iraq. And Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein -- the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein."

"for those of us who lived under the tyranny of Saddam Hussein and understand what tyranny means, ... the difficulties of today, the pains of today, and the disappointments of today -- and they are very profound, because Iraqis deserve better -- these pale in comparison to what we had to endure. ... Then, people had the certainty of the knock on the door late at night, and could possibly end up in a mass grave. Two weeks ago, in Erbil, the capital of Iraqi Kurdistan, a new mass grave in which there were some five-six people who were shot. Their families never heard from them since 1988. They were found and they could only be identified by the pajamas they were wearing as they were taken from home. These are the type of stories that my people, my community, had to endure."

Facts are hard things to ignore...

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Obamasucks wrote:
SheWrites wrote:
Obamasucks wrote:Reality- Obama was handed off a stable Iraq. If you think killing your own people like Saddam did into the hundreds of thousands is stable, it's only because it never affected you personally.  


I find the "stable Iraq" quite laughable.  Yep, those Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds were singing and holding hands 'round the campfire thanking allah for the US bringing them peace.

Saddam, when they did not get along,  rounded them up, shot them, and then buried them in mass graves during his time. I guess that's ok huh?

Got their attention and kept them out of Europe.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Obamasucks,

We're all for you going over there and killing ragheads so you can be a hero and make Iraq great again.
There's nothing stopping you. So go on over there and get to killing, son. We'll all back you 100%. And besides, if you go it on your own you won't be saddled with those pesky rules of engagement. You can make any rules you want. You won't have to cowtow to a muslim commie like obama.

TEOTWAWKI

TEOTWAWKI

Hey I heard they pay mercenaries 6 figure salaries so they don't have to report their body count when they get killed....think of what you could do with all that money and no rules of engagement...Obamasucks could be bloody rich.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Hey I heard they pay mercenaries 6 figure salaries so they don't have to report their body count when they get killed....think of what you could do with all that money and no rules of engagement...Obamasucks could be bloody rich.

Maybe Mr. Sucks should place an ad in Soldier of Fortune magazine...... "Available."

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Guest

It'll be funny watching the leftists trying to pretend that they don't own this deal... and we all know they will... lol.

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Guest

Bob wrote:Obamasucks,

We're all for you going over there and killing ragheads so you can be a hero and make Iraq great again.
There's nothing stopping you.  So go on over there and get to killing,  son.  We'll all back you 100%.  And besides,  if you go it on your own you won't be saddled with those pesky rules of engagement.  You can make any rules you want.  You won't have to cowtow to a muslim commie like obama.

You don't even get the point of the thread and that's not the point. It's someone else's turn now. In my current capacity in the military it doesn't require me to cross the pond to put warheads on foreheads. I can help do that right across the desk from multiple PC screens while drinking diet coke and eating a bag of nacho chips.

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Guest

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:
TEOTWAWKI wrote:Hey I heard they pay mercenaries 6 figure salaries so they don't have to report their body count when they get killed....think of what you could do with all that money and no rules of engagement...Obamasucks could be bloody rich.

Maybe Mr. Sucks should place an ad in Soldier of Fortune magazine...... "Available."


Mr.Sucks has probably as much time deployed as you do in the service period. Read above, I can get mine from right here and not even have to break a sweat except to run PT between shifts. Given that I have a contract to fulfill, I will.

Markle

Markle

SheWrites wrote:
Obamasucks wrote:Reality- Obama was handed off a stable Iraq. If you think killing your own people like Saddam did into the hundreds of thousands is stable, it's only because it never affected you personally.  


I find the "stable Iraq" quite laughable.  Yep, those Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds were singing and holding hands 'round the campfire thanking allah for the US bringing them peace.

It is FACT and what was said by semi-retired President Obama along with his VP, Joe Biden.  Guess you'd LOVE to ignore those years.  Duly noted!

ONCE AGAIN...for your edification.  Perhaps you could print this and tape it onto your monitor so you don't forget...again.

Clinton also said Bush should not be faulted if banned weapons of mass destruction aren't found.

"I don't think you can criticize the President for trying to act on the belief that they have a substantial amount of chemical and biological stock. . . . That is what I was always told," Clinton said.
-  Former President Clinton Wednesday, April 16, 2003

"Could Be One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" The vice president said he’d been to Iraq 17 times and visits the country every three months or so. "I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society" he said. "It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences."
- Vice President Joe Biden (D) Feb. 10, 2010

How has the war President Barack Hussein Obama said we SHOULD have been fighting going?  How is the Middle East going now that President Obama is President?  Oh, Afghanistan just crossed 2,330 American fatalities.  Seventy percent of whom died since President Obama took office.



And now the Obama administration wants to TAKE CREDIT for the Iraq war…whew….



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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

"It depends on what the definition of is is"

-- Bill Clinton

case closed

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

See,  markle,  some of you retards worship one thing,  and the other of you worships the other.
But somebody who don't worship neither,  aint impressed by what either says.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Hey, merkel, do you know how many of the dozens of republican presidential candidates have come out and told us the Iraq war was a mistake? Including your hero's own brother. lol



Markle

Markle

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Hey I heard they pay mercenaries 6 figure salaries so they don't have to report their body count when they get killed....think of what you could do with all that money and no rules of engagement...Obamasucks could be bloody rich.

I've had a good friend for about 20 years.  He was Special Forces and when he was discharged he worked a number of years as a mercenary.  He had to be telling the truth, I never saw anyone with so many scars.  Huge scar on his left calf where he had been stabbed.  Bullet scares in on one shoulder and one in the middle of his stomach.  His right ear and eye were missing.  Typically he was a short guy.  LOL

He was also an accomplished gunsmith and I sometimes go target shooting with him.  He taught me a lot but mercy, if anyone was ever a threat to he or his family, they better have made their final arrangements.

Bottom line is, he does not live extravagantly but I know he didn't work.  He did dabble a little in real estate which is where I met him.   He makes guns for friends, has a nice house in a nice neighborhood, nice fishing boat and was a real fun guy.



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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
SheWrites wrote:
Obamasucks wrote:Reality- Obama was handed off a stable Iraq. If you think killing your own people like Saddam did into the hundreds of thousands is stable, it's only because it never affected you personally.  


I find the "stable Iraq" quite laughable.  Yep, those Sunnis, Shiites, and Kurds were singing and holding hands 'round the campfire thanking allah for the US bringing them peace.

It is FACT and what was said by semi-retired President Obama along with his VP, Joe Biden.  Guess you'd LOVE to ignore those years.  Duly noted!

ONCE AGAIN...for your edification.  Perhaps you could print this and tape it onto your monitor so you don't forget...again.

Clinton also said Bush should not be faulted if banned weapons of mass destruction aren't found.

"I don't think you can criticize the President for trying to act on the belief that they have a substantial amount of chemical and biological stock. . . . That is what I was always told," Clinton said.
-  Former President Clinton Wednesday, April 16, 2003

"Could Be One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" The vice president said he’d been to Iraq 17 times and visits the country every three months or so. "I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society" he said. "It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences."
- Vice President Joe Biden (D) Feb. 10, 2010

How has the war President Barack Hussein Obama said we SHOULD have been fighting going?  How is the Middle East going now that President Obama is President?  Oh, Afghanistan just crossed 2,330 American fatalities.  Seventy percent of whom died since President Obama took office.



And now the Obama administration wants to TAKE CREDIT for the Iraq war…whew….

No matter which American politician said about the political situation in Iraq, the reality is the Kurds have hated the Sunnis and Shiites for a long, long time. Ditto the Sunnis hating the Shiites and vice versa.

The truth is, Iraq was not a basketcase under Saddam, but it is due to our invasion.


Markle

Markle

Bob wrote:See,  markle,  some of you retards worship one thing,  and the other of you worships the other.
But somebody who don't worship neither,  aint impressed by what either says.

I bet you thought you had a point to make when you started that collage of letters.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Markle wrote:
Bob wrote:See,  markle,  some of you retards worship one thing,  and the other of you worships the other.
But somebody who don't worship neither,  aint impressed by what either says.

I bet you thought you had a point to make when you started that collage of letters.

Absolutely.  The point is that you tried to substantiate a position you took with the words of Bill Clinton.

The point of my post was that what Bill Clinton says about anything will never substantiate anything for me.   He's the same fake politician who said the China Trade Agreement he signed would "be a one-way street of trade FROM the U.S. TO China".
Why in the hell would I put any stock in his opinion about anything?
That was the point.

But the part I left out from that reply is,  it is quite extraordinary for you to use a democrat politician to back up something you want to believe.
That's like Jesus quoting Satan.  Or Hitler quoting Elie Wiesel. It reveals a pretty desperate situation. lol

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