ObamaCare's cuts to hospitals will cost seniors their lives

Markle wrote:

Slicef18 wrote:

Government providing healthcare for it's citizens is simply a matter of the people speaking their POLITICAL WILL. Do the American people want their money spent on healthcare for it's people here, or bombs to drop on people of other nations. When politicians hear they will loose their political office if they don't support Americans healthcare. Bombs no longer get funded.

No more bombs, sadly, no more U.S.A..

To believe anything else is ludicrous.

But you already knew that.

"No more bombs, sadly, no more U.S.A."

There's a big difference between $Zero defense budget
and a $17 Billion bomb budget

But you already knew that.

Dreamsglore wrote:

VectorMan wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Stay healthy my friend......my bubble lasted for almost 55 years of great health, but when your bubble bursts you will find out that people are drawing lines everyday......they are called the insurance company.....you know the for profit folks who draw the line after a hurricane. I have dealt with FEMA and the SBA after a disaster, and I have dealt with insurance companies after a disaster.....they both draw lines.......they both can help and they both can restrict, but to think that the government is inherently the source of line drawing is naive.....stay healthy my friend.....wisdom needs to be earned.....and right now I wish I had your ignorance of how the health system really works.

I know how it works. I've had to live through the terrible ordeal of losing a couple of people that were very close to me. I know how health insurance works. I know how Hospice works. Letting government run the whole deal is a major mistake that will cost future generations freedom and choice. Trying to GIVE everything to everybody just won't work.

It works in other countries.

No it doesnt.

we have over 300 million people in this country.

We do a good job of tending to the many many people that we do now, but we have reached a point to where this butter wont spread any further without making the bread smaller.

If you or anyone else dont get the analogy. oh well.

utopia doesnt excist. No matter how much we wish for it.

Slicef18 wrote:

Markle wrote:

Slicef18 wrote:

Government providing healthcare for it's citizens is simply a matter of the people speaking their POLITICAL WILL. Do the American people want their money spent on healthcare for it's people here, or bombs to drop on people of other nations. When politicians hear they will loose their political office if they don't support Americans healthcare. Bombs no longer get funded.

No more bombs, sadly, no more U.S.A..

To believe anything else is ludicrous.

But you already knew that.

"No more bombs, sadly, no more U.S.A."

There's a big difference between $Zero defense budget
and a $17 Billion bomb budget

But you already knew that.

its a dangerous world.

a country that doesnt show its strength will be run over, pretty much like us now. We are a super power because of our military might. This has given us the capability to live a certain life style. One I am particulay fond of.

I dont want my children and grandchildren growing up in a worse enviroment than I did. Call me selfish. I dont care.

You all can call me selfish. I will call me blessed.

I live in a country that is mighty, a country where the people used to beleive in thier country. Not one that ran away and appologized for being the way we are. I am not apologetic. because we are a hard working group of civilized people. and I am for one proud of that.

There is NO country that anyone can point to that shows where socialism has worked. NONE. Take a look at the world and all the bailouts. Because if anyone with half a brain cell took a look, they would know its the USA that is bailing out all these bussinesses, banks, countries, etc etc etc

our debt with china is a false lie to make you think we are in trouble. its a created crisis to get more from us americans. some of the hardest working intelligent people on the planet. What all this fake debt is really just a story to sell us on a world gov, to spread the wealth.

the goal of messing with healthcare is nothing mor ethan one of the last steps to take this country to a socialized 2nd world nation to try and equalize what those at the top see as a unfair privilaged society as we are in this country.

we are privilaged in this country. and there is a reason. and my option for those who hate it is to emulate this country instead of trying to destroy us.

Im rather chatty today. so in short. Dont piss of the up and coming middle america. We wont take it lightly.

Markle wrote:

Slicef18 wrote:

Government providing healthcare for it's citizens is simply a matter of the people speaking their POLITICAL WILL. Do the American people want their money spent on healthcare for it's people here, or bombs to drop on people of other nations. When politicians hear they will loose their political office if they don't support Americans healthcare. Bombs no longer get funded.

No more bombs, sadly, no more U.S.A..

To believe anything else is ludicrous.

But you already knew that.

Frickin Neocon...

VectorMan wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:I believe that's the same lady who made up the death panel rumors.

Death panels or treatment approval boards? Call them whatever you like. The same thing is going to happen. Your health care will be rationed and the decision to say no treatment will be rationalized.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help! LOL

"Your health care will be rationed and the decision to say no treatment will be rationalized."

It has already been done for decades by the insurance companies. This is not new. The question is, do you want the decision to pay for a test or procedure by some insurance clerk who knows her boss and her bonus for cost savings is based money saved. Or do you want some government clerk who is paid the same no matter what decision is made, making the decision.
There's one thing I have observed, government employees and bureaucrats do not like people asking questions about their decisions. They are like parents. Silence is better than fairness.

Rogue wrote:

Slicef18 wrote:

Markle wrote:

Slicef18 wrote:

Government providing healthcare for it's citizens is simply a matter of the people speaking their POLITICAL WILL. Do the American people want their money spent on healthcare for it's people here, or bombs to drop on people of other nations. When politicians hear they will loose their political office if they don't support Americans healthcare. Bombs no longer get funded.

No more bombs, sadly, no more U.S.A..

To believe anything else is ludicrous.

But you already knew that.

"No more bombs, sadly, no more U.S.A."

There's a big difference between $Zero defense budget
and a $17 Billion bomb budget

But you already knew that.

its a dangerous world.

a country that doesnt show its strength will be run over, pretty much like us now. We are a super power because of our military might. This has given us the capability to live a certain life style. One I am particulay fond of.

I dont want my children and grandchildren growing up in a worse enviroment than I did. Call me selfish. I dont care.

You all can call me selfish. I will call me blessed.

I live in a country that is mighty, a country where the people used to beleive in thier country. Not one that ran away and appologized for being the way we are. I am not apologetic. because we are a hard working group of civilized people. and I am for one proud of that.

There is NO country that anyone can point to that shows where socialism has worked. NONE. Take a look at the world and all the bailouts. Because if anyone with half a brain cell took a look, they would know its the USA that is bailing out all these bussinesses, banks, countries, etc etc etc

our debt with china is a false lie to make you think we are in trouble. its a created crisis to get more from us americans. some of the hardest working intelligent people on the planet. What all this fake debt is really just a story to sell us on a world gov, to spread the wealth.

the goal of messing with healthcare is nothing mor ethan one of the last steps to take this country to a socialized 2nd world nation to try and equalize what those at the top see as a unfair privilaged society as we are in this country.

we are privilaged in this country. and there is a reason. and my option for those who hate it is to emulate this country instead of trying to destroy us.

Im rather chatty today. so in short. Dont piss of the up and coming middle america. We wont take it lightly.

You are one ignorant individual. We are a sad and greedy country that doesn't take care of it's people and worship the rich. Other countries a light years ahead of us and have much better economies because they don't have your mindset. We need to learn from other countries rather than sitting on our pompous asses and trying to tell the world how they should live.We might be successful again.

Dreamsglore wrote:

VectorMan wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Stay healthy my friend......my bubble lasted for almost 55 years of great health, but when your bubble bursts you will find out that people are drawing lines everyday......they are called the insurance company.....you know the for profit folks who draw the line after a hurricane. I have dealt with FEMA and the SBA after a disaster, and I have dealt with insurance companies after a disaster.....they both draw lines.......they both can help and they both can restrict, but to think that the government is inherently the source of line drawing is naive.....stay healthy my friend.....wisdom needs to be earned.....and right now I wish I had your ignorance of how the health system really works.

I know how it works. I've had to live through the terrible ordeal of losing a couple of people that were very close to me. I know how health insurance works. I know how Hospice works. Letting government run the whole deal is a major mistake that will cost future generations freedom and choice. Trying to GIVE everything to everybody just won't work.

It works in other countries.

watch what happens when the credit dries up... there's a limit to how high taxes can be raised.

once those euro countries start defaulting... hunger is the best way to drive revolt... always has been.

healthcare will be the least of their problems... and ours eventually. i can already hear the cries for world govt.

Rogue wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

VectorMan wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Stay healthy my friend......my bubble lasted for almost 55 years of great health, but when your bubble bursts you will find out that people are drawing lines everyday......they are called the insurance company.....you know the for profit folks who draw the line after a hurricane. I have dealt with FEMA and the SBA after a disaster, and I have dealt with insurance companies after a disaster.....they both draw lines.......they both can help and they both can restrict, but to think that the government is inherently the source of line drawing is naive.....stay healthy my friend.....wisdom needs to be earned.....and right now I wish I had your ignorance of how the health system really works.

I know how it works. I've had to live through the terrible ordeal of losing a couple of people that were very close to me. I know how health insurance works. I know how Hospice works. Letting government run the whole deal is a major mistake that will cost future generations freedom and choice. Trying to GIVE everything to everybody just won't work.

It works in other countries.

No it doesnt.

we have over 300 million people in this country.

We do a good job of tending to the many many people that we do now, but we have reached a point to where this butter wont spread any further without making the bread smaller.

If you or anyone else dont get the analogy. oh well.

utopia doesnt excist. No matter how much we wish for it.

"we have reached a point to where this butter wont spread any further without making the bread smaller."

The point of Obamacare isn't to save money. The point it to get everyone covered with insurance of some kind. Right now we're spending millions treat runny noses in the E.R which is the most expensive treatment centers in America.

Slicef18 wrote:

Rogue wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

VectorMan wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Stay healthy my friend......my bubble lasted for almost 55 years of great health, but when your bubble bursts you will find out that people are drawing lines everyday......they are called the insurance company.....you know the for profit folks who draw the line after a hurricane. I have dealt with FEMA and the SBA after a disaster, and I have dealt with insurance companies after a disaster.....they both draw lines.......they both can help and they both can restrict, but to think that the government is inherently the source of line drawing is naive.....stay healthy my friend.....wisdom needs to be earned.....and right now I wish I had your ignorance of how the health system really works.

I know how it works. I've had to live through the terrible ordeal of losing a couple of people that were very close to me. I know how health insurance works. I know how Hospice works. Letting government run the whole deal is a major mistake that will cost future generations freedom and choice. Trying to GIVE everything to everybody just won't work.

It works in other countries.

No it doesnt.

we have over 300 million people in this country.

We do a good job of tending to the many many people that we do now, but we have reached a point to where this butter wont spread any further without making the bread smaller.

If you or anyone else dont get the analogy. oh well.

utopia doesnt excist. No matter how much we wish for it.

"we have reached a point to where this butter wont spread any further without making the bread smaller."

The point of Obamacare isn't to save money. The point it to get everyone covered with insurance of some kind. Right now we're spending millions treat runny noses in the E.R which is the most expensive treatment centers in America.

Thank you. She fails to acknowledge the fraud our glorious system now allows which is bankrupting us also. The butter has been stolen too much due to our greed.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Slicef18 wrote:

Rogue wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

VectorMan wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Stay healthy my friend......my bubble lasted for almost 55 years of great health, but when your bubble bursts you will find out that people are drawing lines everyday......they are called the insurance company.....you know the for profit folks who draw the line after a hurricane. I have dealt with FEMA and the SBA after a disaster, and I have dealt with insurance companies after a disaster.....they both draw lines.......they both can help and they both can restrict, but to think that the government is inherently the source of line drawing is naive.....stay healthy my friend.....wisdom needs to be earned.....and right now I wish I had your ignorance of how the health system really works.

I know how it works. I've had to live through the terrible ordeal of losing a couple of people that were very close to me. I know how health insurance works. I know how Hospice works. Letting government run the whole deal is a major mistake that will cost future generations freedom and choice. Trying to GIVE everything to everybody just won't work.

It works in other countries.

No it doesnt.

we have over 300 million people in this country.

We do a good job of tending to the many many people that we do now, but we have reached a point to where this butter wont spread any further without making the bread smaller.

If you or anyone else dont get the analogy. oh well.

utopia doesnt excist. No matter how much we wish for it.

"we have reached a point to where this butter wont spread any further without making the bread smaller."

The point of Obamacare isn't to save money. The point it to get everyone covered with insurance of some kind. Right now we're spending millions treat runny noses in the E.R which is the most expensive treatment centers in America.

Thank you. She fails to acknowledge the fraud our glorious system now allows which is bankrupting us also. The butter has been stolen too much due to our greed.

You mean all the fruad that is done with all of our GOV RUN programs?

That must be what you mean.

Slicef18 wrote:

Rogue wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

VectorMan wrote:

2seaoat wrote:Stay healthy my friend......my bubble lasted for almost 55 years of great health, but when your bubble bursts you will find out that people are drawing lines everyday......they are called the insurance company.....you know the for profit folks who draw the line after a hurricane. I have dealt with FEMA and the SBA after a disaster, and I have dealt with insurance companies after a disaster.....they both draw lines.......they both can help and they both can restrict, but to think that the government is inherently the source of line drawing is naive.....stay healthy my friend.....wisdom needs to be earned.....and right now I wish I had your ignorance of how the health system really works.

I know how it works. I've had to live through the terrible ordeal of losing a couple of people that were very close to me. I know how health insurance works. I know how Hospice works. Letting government run the whole deal is a major mistake that will cost future generations freedom and choice. Trying to GIVE everything to everybody just won't work.

It works in other countries.

No it doesnt.

we have over 300 million people in this country.

We do a good job of tending to the many many people that we do now, but we have reached a point to where this butter wont spread any further without making the bread smaller.

If you or anyone else dont get the analogy. oh well.

utopia doesnt excist. No matter how much we wish for it.

"we have reached a point to where this butter wont spread any further without making the bread smaller."

The point of Obamacare isn't to save money. The point it to get everyone covered with insurance of some kind. Right now we're spending millions treat runny noses in the E.R which is the most expensive treatment centers in America.

The point of obamacare is to spread it out so thin as to run all other avenues for coverage out of the market. and the only way to lower the price since operations cost is not regualted is to cut services, staff and qualifications.

All of the above is ALREADY occuring due to obamacare. ALL OF IT.

You got yours. You worked in healthcare and are now retired. so good golly for you to be all feeling good and fuzzy to wish for it to be all spread out, not thinking once or at all what it will do. It JUST SOUNDS good and fuzzy sir. It really isnt.

Rogue wrote:
You mean all the fruad that is done with all of our GOV RUN programs?

That must be what you mean.

What makes you think that it is fraud just in the government run programs. I personally know some doctors right here in Pensacola that are committing fraud to the insurance companies of their patients. So you are wrong if you believe that it is government run programs. BTW, one of these doctors does not accept Medicare or Medicaid so no government run programs there.

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Rogue wrote:
You mean all the fruad that is done with all of our GOV RUN programs?

That must be what you mean.

What makes you think that it is fraud just in the government run programs. I personally know some doctors right here in Pensacola that are committing fraud to the insurance companies of their patients. So you are wrong if you believe that it is government run programs. BTW, one of these doctors does not accept Medicare or Medicaid so no government run programs there.

That's what I'm talking about. The fraud coming from the healthcare system is one of the reasons we are bankrupt.there is fraud every damn where.

Dreamsglore wrote:

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Rogue wrote:
You mean all the fruad that is done with all of our GOV RUN programs?

That must be what you mean.

What makes you think that it is fraud just in the government run programs. I personally know some doctors right here in Pensacola that are committing fraud to the insurance companies of their patients. So you are wrong if you believe that it is government run programs. BTW, one of these doctors does not accept Medicare or Medicaid so no government run programs there.

That's what I'm talking about. The fraud coming from the healthcare system is one of the reasons we are bankrupt.there is fraud every damn where.

True, but some believe that it is only the government run programs that are susceptible to fraud and that privately run healthcare is exempt.

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Rogue wrote:
You mean all the fruad that is done with all of our GOV RUN programs?

That must be what you mean.

What makes you think that it is fraud just in the government run programs. I personally know some doctors right here in Pensacola that are committing fraud to the insurance companies of their patients. So you are wrong if you believe that it is government run programs. BTW, one of these doctors does not accept Medicare or Medicaid so no government run programs there.

That's what I'm talking about. The fraud coming from the healthcare system is one of the reasons we are bankrupt.there is fraud every damn where.

True, but some believe that it is only the government run programs that are susceptible to fraud and that privately run healthcare is exempt.

who would that be?

at least with a private ins fraud, I dont have to carry the burden of paying it.

but you refuse to see how the Gov sucks at running healthcare now, and just want more of it....

because gov run anything is soooooooooooooooooooooo efficient

A system as good as its design and execution. Our current system has a faulty design and terrible execution. A new system could be worse. A new system could be better. To start with the assumption that all government programs are bad......well, it is very difficult to have an intelligent conversation. If miners were in a collapsed mine.......would we be debating whether mining is good or bad....or would we be rescuing the miners..........I have little patience for ignorance....please just get out of the way and let the grown ups take this country back......and yes the horror of it.....it may involve the government actually doing an efficient job of utilizing American resources.

Rogue wrote:who would that be?

at least with a private ins fraud, I dont have to carry the burden of paying it.

but you refuse to see how the Gov sucks at running healthcare now, and just want more of it....

because gov run anything is soooooooooooooooooooooo efficient

You are out of your mind if you think I am about to name names.

As for a private insurance company, your employers healthcare is in all probability a private company. If you think that fraud against them does not come out of your pocket, then you have been living in a cave for a while. Every time fraud is committed against a private company, they pass that along to every other person that is insured through them. It's like shoplifting, it affects all of us in higher consumer costs.

2seaoat wrote:A system as good as its design and execution. Our current system has a faulty design and terrible execution. A new system could be worse. A new system could be better. To start with the assumption that all government programs are bad......well, it is very difficult to have an intelligent conversation. If miners were in a collapsed mine.......would we be debating whether mining is good or bad....or would we be rescuing the miners..........I have little patience for ignorance....please just get out of the way and let the grown ups take this country back......and yes the horror of it.....it may involve the government actually doing an efficient job of utilizing American resources.

and I have as little of patience for ignorance as you. more even so I am sure.

Frankly I am sick to death of your "lets let the grownups take the country back" slogan.

perhaps it was your idea of what a grown up is that got this country in such a mess to begin with.

so perhaps your outdated and the one who is ignorant of the situation.

Youve begun the final steps in your life and are following your heart, and I get that. But following your heart is not always the best policy for managment of a complex problem.

There are 300 million people plus in this country. and 80% or more already have healthcare. Its a god damn lie that children do not have care because we have many plans already avalible for them. same with the elderly, or disabled.

almost 50% of our society are reciveing some sort of welfare, which means if they can get that, they qualify for medicaid.

Who is it that you think really needs this gov run healthcare system?

I'll tell you because im that way. Its the GOV. along with a few minority slip through the cracks people. and most of them arnt even legal to be here.

I know, you seen someone crying because they didnt plan well and instead bought nice shoes and cars all thier life and when they got sick, you felt sorry for them.

But let me ask you. How much have YOU given to charity. and not recently. ALL YOUR LIFE. have you contributed to man kind from YOUR OWN pocket?

or do you just require that those of us who are still trying to provide our families with a decent life contribute.

You owned a bussiness, have a nice house, good insurance. What sacrafice have you made? Are you willing to give up your luxeries to provide these things that most of them should have planned for as you have?

You could sell your house and pay for a few surgeries Im sure.

But I understand. You got yours. and now its about your fuzzzy feelings.

it doesnt matter that when its spread out that the services will be less, because everybody will get something see. and those who have dedicated thier lives to giving it will also have to get less, because thats the way it works. and it dont effect you.

but it effects me and my family.

and I wont stop saying how I feel about it, even though there is nothing I can keep doing but to kill myself working more hours, with less materials to do the same job.

and before your high and mighty voice comes at me again. just know. I have 3 members of my emdiate family who are not insured. It cost me alot.

and I have many family members who are poorer than dirt

so Im not saying remove or kill the whole damn thing, but whats coming around the corner for us all, is not what you think.

and frankly im getting sick and tired of trying to explain that, and at this point I am starting to pray to god it hurries up and comes so yu can feel it too. But you wont. because you got yours.

Rogue wrote:
so perhaps your outdated and the one who is ignorant of the situation.

I really don't know what you have been paying attention too, but Seaoat is one of the more intelligent posters on this forum. I do not agree with everything that he posts, but I will say that his posts are well thought out. You can certainly disagree with him, but one thing you absolutely cannot do is to discount him and call him ignorant.

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Rogue wrote:
so perhaps your outdated and the one who is ignorant of the situation.

I really don't know what you have been paying attention too, but Seaoat is one of the more intelligent posters on this forum. I do not agree with everything that he posts, but I will say that his posts are well thought out. You can certainly disagree with him, but one thing you absolutely cannot do is to discount him and call him ignorant.

do you understand what "ignorant " means?

You must not.

go look it up

Rogue wrote:

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Rogue wrote:
so perhaps your outdated and the one who is ignorant of the situation.

I really don't know what you have been paying attention too, but Seaoat is one of the more intelligent posters on this forum. I do not agree with everything that he posts, but I will say that his posts are well thought out. You can certainly disagree with him, but one thing you absolutely cannot do is to discount him and call him ignorant.

do you understand what "ignorant " means?

You must not.

go look it up

Yeah I did look it up and a synonym of ignorant is Chrissy.

Rogue wrote:

2seaoat wrote:A system as good as its design and execution. Our current system has a faulty design and terrible execution. A new system could be worse. A new system could be better. To start with the assumption that all government programs are bad......well, it is very difficult to have an intelligent conversation. If miners were in a collapsed mine.......would we be debating whether mining is good or bad....or would we be rescuing the miners..........I have little patience for ignorance....please just get out of the way and let the grown ups take this country back......and yes the horror of it.....it may involve the government actually doing an efficient job of utilizing American resources.

and I have as little of patience for ignorance as you. more even so I am sure.

Frankly I am sick to death of your "lets let the grownups take the country back" slogan.

perhaps it was your idea of what a grown up is that got this country in such a mess to begin with.

so perhaps your outdated and the one who is ignorant of the situation.

Youve begun the final steps in your life and are following your heart, and I get that. But following your heart is not always the best policy for managment of a complex problem.

There are 300 million people plus in this country. and 80% or more already have healthcare. Its a god damn lie that children do not have care because we have many plans already avalible for them. same with the elderly, or disabled.

almost 50% of our society are reciveing some sort of welfare, which means if they can get that, they qualify for medicaid.

Who is it that you think really needs this gov run healthcare system?

I'll tell you because im that way. Its the GOV. along with a few minority slip through the cracks people. and most of them arnt even legal to be here.

I know, you seen someone crying because they didnt plan well and instead bought nice shoes and cars all thier life and when they got sick, you felt sorry for them.

But let me ask you. How much have YOU given to charity. and not recently. ALL YOUR LIFE. have you contributed to man kind from YOUR OWN pocket?

or do you just require that those of us who are still trying to provide our families with a decent life contribute.

You owned a bussiness, have a nice house, good insurance. What sacrafice have you made? Are you willing to give up your luxeries to provide these things that most of them should have planned for as you have?

You could sell your house and pay for a few surgeries Im sure.

But I understand. You got yours. and now its about your fuzzzy feelings.

it doesnt matter that when its spread out that the services will be less, because everybody will get something see. and those who have dedicated thier lives to giving it will also have to get less, because thats the way it works. and it dont effect you.

but it effects me and my family.

and I wont stop saying how I feel about it, even though there is nothing I can keep doing but to kill myself working more hours, with less materials to do the same job.

and before your high and mighty voice comes at me again. just know. I have 3 members of my emdiate family who are not insured. It cost me alot.

and I have many family members who are poorer than dirt

so Im not saying remove or kill the whole damn thing, but whats coming around the corner for us all, is not what you think.

and frankly im getting sick and tired of trying to explain that, and at this point I am starting to pray to god it hurries up and comes so yu can feel it too. But you wont. because you got yours.

"There are 300 million people plus in this country. and 80% or more already have healthcare. Its a god damn lie that children do not have care because we have many plans already avalible for them. same with the elderly, or disabled.

"almost 50% of our society are reciveing some sort of welfare, which means if they can get that, they qualify for medicaid."


No maam- you are way off the map! If you get welfare you do not automatically qualify for medicaid in Fl. The children qualify but the parents usually do not unless they have an extremely low income and I mean low. They get a cost share which means you must pay a share which is usually way out of their league and only after they have accumulated so much in a month in medical expenses.People who are disabled do not qualify for medicare until two years after being on disability.You do not receive medicare when you're elderly until you're 65.If you collect at 62, you do not get medicare. You have no clue of what you're talking about.

Dreamsglore wrote:
No maam- you are way off the map! If you get welfare you do not automatically qualify for medicaid in Fl. The children qualify but the parents usually do not unless they have an extremely low income and I mean low. They get a cost share which means you must pay a share which is usually way out of their league and only after they have accumulated so much in a month in medical expenses.People who are disabled do not qualify for medicare until two years after being on disability.You do not receive medicare when you're elderly until you're 65.If you collect at 62, you do not get medicare. You have no clue of what you're talking about.

You are absolutely correct. I have a friend that is receiving Medicare and he is 63 but he has been on disability since 2007. His wife is 62 and she is not yet eligible for Medicare. After he had been on disability for 24 months he was automatically enrolled in Medicare. He did not have to do a thing except start using his Medicare benefits.

Ghost_Rider1 wrote:

Dreamsglore wrote:
No maam- you are way off the map! If you get welfare you do not automatically qualify for medicaid in Fl. The children qualify but the parents usually do not unless they have an extremely low income and I mean low. They get a cost share which means you must pay a share which is usually way out of their league and only after they have accumulated so much in a month in medical expenses.People who are disabled do not qualify for medicare until two years after being on disability.You do not receive medicare when you're elderly until you're 65.If you collect at 62, you do not get medicare. You have no clue of what you're talking about.

You are absolutely correct. I have a friend that is receiving Medicare and he is 63 but he has been on disability since 2007. His wife is 62 and she is not yet eligible for Medicare. After he had been on disability for 24 months he was automatically enrolled in Medicare. He did not have to do a thing except start using his Medicare benefits.

It's part of my job to know these things.Chrissy is a bonifide idiot but you knew that.

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Rogue wrote:

2seaoat wrote:A system as good as its design and execution. Our current system has a faulty design and terrible execution. A new system could be worse. A new system could be better. To start with the assumption that all government programs are bad......well, it is very difficult to have an intelligent conversation. If miners were in a collapsed mine.......would we be debating whether mining is good or bad....or would we be rescuing the miners..........I have little patience for ignorance....please just get out of the way and let the grown ups take this country back......and yes the horror of it.....it may involve the government actually doing an efficient job of utilizing American resources.

and I have as little of patience for ignorance as you. more even so I am sure.

Frankly I am sick to death of your "lets let the grownups take the country back" slogan.

perhaps it was your idea of what a grown up is that got this country in such a mess to begin with.

so perhaps your outdated and the one who is ignorant of the situation.

Youve begun the final steps in your life and are following your heart, and I get that. But following your heart is not always the best policy for managment of a complex problem.

There are 300 million people plus in this country. and 80% or more already have healthcare. Its a god damn lie that children do not have care because we have many plans already avalible for them. same with the elderly, or disabled.

almost 50% of our society are reciveing some sort of welfare, which means if they can get that, they qualify for medicaid.

Who is it that you think really needs this gov run healthcare system?

I'll tell you because im that way. Its the GOV. along with a few minority slip through the cracks people. and most of them arnt even legal to be here.

I know, you seen someone crying because they didnt plan well and instead bought nice shoes and cars all thier life and when they got sick, you felt sorry for them.

But let me ask you. How much have YOU given to charity. and not recently. ALL YOUR LIFE. have you contributed to man kind from YOUR OWN pocket?

or do you just require that those of us who are still trying to provide our families with a decent life contribute.

You owned a bussiness, have a nice house, good insurance. What sacrafice have you made? Are you willing to give up your luxeries to provide these things that most of them should have planned for as you have?

You could sell your house and pay for a few surgeries Im sure.

But I understand. You got yours. and now its about your fuzzzy feelings.

it doesnt matter that when its spread out that the services will be less, because everybody will get something see. and those who have dedicated thier lives to giving it will also have to get less, because thats the way it works. and it dont effect you.

but it effects me and my family.

and I wont stop saying how I feel about it, even though there is nothing I can keep doing but to kill myself working more hours, with less materials to do the same job.

and before your high and mighty voice comes at me again. just know. I have 3 members of my emdiate family who are not insured. It cost me alot.

and I have many family members who are poorer than dirt

so Im not saying remove or kill the whole damn thing, but whats coming around the corner for us all, is not what you think.

and frankly im getting sick and tired of trying to explain that, and at this point I am starting to pray to god it hurries up and comes so yu can feel it too. But you wont. because you got yours.

"There are 300 million people plus in this country. and 80% or more already have healthcare. Its a god damn lie that children do not have care because we have many plans already avalible for them. same with the elderly, or disabled.

"almost 50% of our society are reciveing some sort of welfare, which means if they can get that, they qualify for medicaid."


No maam- you are way off the map! If you get welfare you do not automatically qualify for medicaid in Fl. The children qualify but the parents usually do not unless they have an extremely low income and I mean low. They get a cost share which means you must pay a share which is usually way out of their league and only after they have accumulated so much in a month in medical expenses.People who are disabled do not qualify for medicare until two years after being on disability.You do not receive medicare when you're elderly until you're 65.If you collect at 62, you do not get medicare. You have no clue of what you're talking about.

its your job to make sure crooks can get our tax paying dollars. thats right, i havnt forgot.

and i didnt say a damn thing about medicare, and that goes for ghost post as well. i said nothing baout medicare. i said medicaid. and while dreams is a welfare pusher, you dont make up the stats.

there are not really that many unisured people. ive been giving that number about 20%, but it looks like its actaully 16%. so basically we should screw up a system that gives good care to 84% of the population so 100% of the population can share crumbs.
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Some 16.3% of Americans were uninsured in 2010, according to the bureau's report on Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States, statistically unchanged from 2009. ... The percentage of people who had health insurance through their employers fell to 55.3% in 2010, continuing a long, downward trend. In 2009, the percentage of people who had employer-provided coverage had fallen to 56.1%. ... With fewer Americans receiving health care coverage through their employers, government-funded programs like Medicare, Medicaid, military health care, the Children's Health Care Program (CHIPS) and coverage offered by various states have had to pick up the slack. In 2010, 31% of Americans relied on the government for health insurance, up from 30.6% in 2009" (Christie, 9/13