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Socialism Crumbles In Venezuela, But our Socialist/Communist good friend Wordslinger Think's It’s a Great Idea

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Markle

Markle

August 6, 2015 — John Hinderaker

Socialism Crumbles In Venezuela, But Democrats Think It’s a Great Idea

Socialism must be the number one folly in the history of the human race. People keep trying it, and it keeps collapsing ignominiously. Yet leftists never give up. It is as though a guy stood in his yard throwing a ball into the air over and over, hoping that next time it won’t come back down.

In Venezuela, socialism is in its inevitable death spiral. Food shortages are causing Venezuelans to attack grocery stores:

Venezuelan supermarkets are increasingly being targeted by looters as swollen lines and prolonged food shortages spark frustration in the OPEC nation struggling with an economic crisis.

Shoppers routinely spend hours in lines to buy consumer staples ranging from corn flour to laundry soap, turning lines into venues for shoving matches and now more frequent attempts to plunder shops.

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Can people really be this dumb? Yes, they can. Yes, and how many times must socialism fail, before it forever is banned? I don’t know. The answer is blowing in the wind, or something.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2015/08/socialism-crumbles-in-venezuela-but-democrats-think-its-a-great-idea.php

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Semi-demented poster Markle is picking on Wordslinger again.

What did Socrates say about slandering another individual? Of course, Markle will likely make an excuse for his hypocrisy....

hyp·o·crite

/ˈhipəˌkrit/
noun
noun: hypocrite; plural noun: hypocrites
a person who indulges in hypocrisy.
synonyms: pretender, dissembler, deceiver, liar, pietist, sanctimonious person, plaster saint

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Markle

Markle

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:Semi-demented poster Markle is picking on Wordslinger again.

What did Socrates say about slandering another individual? Of course, Markle will likely make an excuse for his hypocrisy....

hyp·o·crite

/ˈhipəˌkrit/
noun
noun: hypocrite; plural noun: hypocrites
a person who indulges in hypocrisy.
synonyms: pretender, dissembler, deceiver, liar, pietist, sanctimonious person, plaster saint

How, exactly, am I a hypocrite and how am I slandering my Socialist/Communist good friend Wordslinger?

On another thread, on this very forum, a poster asked for you good people to list countries better off after adopting Socialism than before. Here is Wordslinger's response, in his own words.

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3 Re: Here's a question liberals. Yesterday at 10:03 am

Wordslinger

Posts: 4275
Join date: 2012-06-23
Location: Pace

Netherlands. Denmark. Sweden. Norway. Switzerland. Venezuela. Cuba.

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See, while I'm sure Wordslinger appreciates your desperate gesture, he does still seem to handle his affairs.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan




Venezuela’s crackdown
A slow-motion coup

The authoritarian regime is becoming a naked dictatorship. The region must react
Feb 28th 2015 | From the print edition


VENEZUELA’S “Bolivarian” regime is lurching from authoritarianism to dictatorship. On February 19th it arrested the elected mayor of metropolitan Caracas, Antonio Ledezma. Then it moved to expel Julio Borges, a moderate opposition leader, from the National Assembly—a fate already suffered by his colleague, María Corina Machado, ejected last year. Leopoldo López, another opposition leader, has been in jail for a year and is now on trial. Almost half the opposition’s mayors now face legal action. The regime’s favourite charge to level at hostile politicians is plotting to overthrow the government, often in conspiracy with the United States. But it is the president, Nicolás Maduro, who is staging a coup against the last vestiges of democracy. Venezuelans call it an autogolpe, or “self-coup”.

Hugo Chávez, who created and presided over the Bolivarian state-socialist system until his death in 2013, was repeatedly elected by Venezuelans, thanks to windfall oil revenues and his rapport with the poor. He took his majority as a mandate to squeeze the life out of Venezuelan democracy, seizing control of the courts and the electoral authority, and suppressing opposition media. Latin America’s governments acquiesced partly because they acknowledged his popular support.

Mr Maduro, though, lacks Chávez’s charisma and political skills—and his luck with the oil price. Crackpot economic policies have brought food shortages, soaring inflation and rising poverty. Popular support for the president and government has collapsed to around 20%. In a fair contest, the opposition would be likely to win parliamentary elections due this year. It could then hold a referendum in 2016 to recall Mr Maduro.

Time to speak up
In one respect—repressing his opposition—Mr Maduro exceeds his former boss. Chávez let rivals challenge him in a free-ish vote. Mr Maduro locks them up. On February 24th a 14-year-old boy at a demonstration against the government was killed by a policeman’s rubber bullet. The policeman was arrested. But such incidents raise the likelihood that the confrontation between the regime and its critics will turn violent, providing an excuse for still more repression. To that end, the arrest of Mr Ledezma may have been intended to provoke a reprise of last year’s demonstrations against the government, in which 43 people on both sides of the conflict were killed. Those served only to strengthen Mr Maduro.

The prime responsibility for avoiding such violence lies with Mr Maduro. But both the opposition and Venezuela’s neighbours have a role in trying to keep the peace and rescuing democracy. Faced with the regime’s drift towards lawlessness, the opposition’s response should be to redouble its commitment to the rule of law. Mr Ledezma has called for non-violence. The opposition is pressing the electoral authority to set a date for the parliamentary vote.

The opposition deserves help. For too long Latin America has tolerated Venezuela’s abuse of democratic norms. The latest outrages have provoked expressions of concern from Brazil, the Organisation of American States and others. They must do more. They should demand the release of Mr Ledezma and Mr López and call for guarantees that the election will be fair. If they fail to get them, they should suspend Venezuela from regional groupings, such as the South American Union, which require their members to be democracies. The threat of becoming a pariah might just give Mr Maduro pause.


Read more at http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21645193-authoritarian-regime-becoming-naked-dictatorship-region-must-react-slow-motion#WJJSD8jEoIswEYoX.99

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Once again, Markle has no clue.

http://www.gregpalast.com/vaya-con-dios-hugo-chavez-mi-amigo/

"...So what made Chavez suddenly "a dangerous enemy"? Here's the answer you won't find in The New York Times:

Just after Bush's inauguration in 2001, Chavez' congress voted in a new "Law of Hydrocarbons." Henceforth, Exxon, British Petroleum, Shell Oil and Chevron would get to keep 70% of the sales revenues from the crude they sucked out of Venezuela. Not bad, considering the price of oil was rising toward $100 a barrel.

But to the oil companies, which had bitch-slapped Venezeula's prior government into giving them 84% of the sales price, a cut to 70% was "no bueno." Worse, Venezuela had been charging a joke of a royalty – just one percent – on "heavy" crude from the Orinoco Basin. Chavez told Exxon and friends they'd now have to pay 16.6%.

Clearly, Chavez had to be taught a lesson about the etiquette of dealings with Big Oil.

On April 11, 2002, President Chavez was kidnapped at gunpoint and flown to an island prison in the Caribbean Sea. On April 12, Pedro Carmona, a business partner of the US oil companies and president of the nation's Chamber of Commerce, declared himself President of Venezuela – giving a whole new meaning to the term, "corporate takeover."

U.S. Ambassador Charles Shapiro immediately rushed down from his hilltop embassy to have his picture taken grinning with the self-proclaimed "President" and the leaders of the coup d'état.

Bush's White House spokesman admitted that Chavez was, "democratically elected," but, he added, "Legitimacy is something that is conferred not by just the majority of voters." I see.

With an armed and angry citizenry marching on the Presidential Palace in Caracas ready to string up the coup plotters, Carmona, the Pretend President from Exxon returned his captive Chavez back to his desk within 48 hours. (How? Get The Assassination of Hugo Chavez, the film, expanding on my reports for BBC Television. You can download it for free for the next few days.)

Chavez had provoked the coup not just by clawing back some of the bloated royalties of the oil companies. It's what he did with that oil money that drove Venezuela's One Percent to violence.

In Caracas, I ran into the reporter for a TV station whose owner is generally credited with plotting the coup against the president. While doing a publicity photo shoot, leaning back against a tree, showing her wide-open legs nearly up to where they met, the reporter pointed down the hill to the "ranchos," the slums above Caracas, where shacks, once made of cardboard and tin, where quickly transforming into homes of cinder blocks and cement.

"He [Chavez] gives them bread and bricks, so they vote for him, of course." She was disgusted by "them," the 80% of Venezuelans who are negro e indio (Black and Indian)—and poor. Chavez, himself negro e indio, had, for the first time in Venezuela's history, shifted the oil wealth from the privileged class that called themselves "Spanish," to the dark-skinned masses.

While trolling around the poor housing blocks of Caracas, I ran into a local, Arturo Quiran, a merchant seaman and no big fan of Chavez. But over a beer at his kitchen table, he told me,

"Fifteen years ago under [then-President] Carlos Andrés Pérez, there was a lot of oil money in Venezuela. The ‘oil boom' we called it. Here in Venezuela there was a lot of money, but we didn't see it."

But then came Hugo Chavez, and now the poor in his neighborhood, he said, "get medical attention, free operations, x-rays, medicines; education also. People who never knew how to write now know how to sign their own papers."..."

2seaoat



What happen the last time oil prices dropped and Socialism was not part of Venezuela?

Previously an underdeveloped exporter of agricultural commodities such as coffee and cocoa, oil quickly came to dominate exports and government revenues. The 1980s oil glut led to an external debt crisis and a long-running economic crisis, in which inflation peaked at 100% in 1996 and poverty rates rose to 66% in 1995[9] as (by 1998) per capita GDP fell to the same level as 1963, down a third from its 1978 peak.



Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Before Hugo Chavez's leadership, Venezuela's poor -- the broad majority of the country's population, suffered terribly. Chavez brought in socialism and put a gun -- rightfully -- to the world's bloodsucking oil companies. Poverty diminished considerably, educational institutions benefited, and Chavez became the people's hero -- he was re-elected several times.

The issue of this thread asked for forum members to list countries whose populations benefited after socialism became a reality. Venezuela qualifies in every way. Even with all their current problems, the people of Venezuela are much MUCH better off now than they were before socialism.

As for the demented old fascist's proclamation that socialism always fails, he omits mentioning that the United States has ALWAYS had a blend of capitalism and socialism -- public schools, roads, infrastructure, etc.

And socialism is doing quite well, thank you, in all the Scandinavian countries.

It appears that Semi Sane "I know NOSSING!" Markle's claims about the flaws of socialism has all the veracity of his claims that Jamestown was the first foreign settlement in the New World.

Markle hates socialism because under such a system, bloodsucking, killer corporations lose their free pass to bleed workers until there is nothing left to steal.

Markle is, and always has been a fascist. And fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power -- as Benito Mussolini declared.

Markle thinks tyrants like the Koch Bros. should rule America.

Fuck Amerika Inc.!!

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:Before Hugo Chavez's leadership, Venezuela's poor -- the broad majority of the country's population, suffered terribly.  Chavez brought in socialism and put a gun -- rightfully -- to the world's bloodsucking oil companies.  Poverty diminished considerably, educational institutions benefited, and Chavez became the people's hero -- he was re-elected several times.  

The issue of this thread asked for forum members to list countries whose populations benefited after socialism became a reality.  Venezuela qualifies in every way.  Even with all their current problems, the people of Venezuela are much MUCH better off now than they were before socialism.

As for the demented old fascist's proclamation that socialism always fails, he omits mentioning that the United States has ALWAYS had a blend of capitalism and socialism -- public schools, roads, infrastructure, etc.  

And socialism is doing quite well, thank you, in all the Scandinavian countries.

It appears that Semi Sane "I know NOSSING!" Markle's claims about the flaws of socialism has all the veracity of his claims that Jamestown was the first foreign settlement in the New World.

Markle hates socialism because under such a system, bloodsucking, killer corporations lose their free pass to bleed workers until there is nothing left to steal.  

Markle is, and always has been a fascist.   And fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power -- as Benito Mussolini declared.

Markle thinks tyrants like the Koch Bros. should rule America.

Fuck Amerika Inc.!!

Amusing is he not?

No one in Capitalist America go without food, in Socialist Venezuela people are standing in line for a loaf of bread.

Well over 200 years of Capitalism, success until these past few years when we have a leader who wants to lower our standards using Socialism.

Venezuela, reduced to Socialism only a few years ago and they are in collapse.

Sad to see what someone thinks is a grand idea for America. Reduce us to third world status.

Imagine, Wordslinger even believes CUBA is doing better too! Wow...those must be some really cool rose colored glasses. I visited Cuba a few times before Castro and a few times after no so legally. Night and day! Now, thousands of political prisoners, abject poverty is common. Wordslinger does love that it is SHARED MISERY. BUT, a few years back, ALL the Cuban households received a FREE RICE MAKER! Who could ask for more?

2seaoat



Well over 200 years of Capitalism, success until these past few years when we have a leader who wants to lower our standards using Socialism.

No.....if returning tax rates to when they worked, and decreasing subsidies for the MIC and Oligarchy is socialism.....I think most would say not allowing unfettered greed and corruption under the guise of a free market system destroy  America is a good thing.  You understand that what you propose would turn America into a Latin American Oligarchy which controls puppet politicians and like Greece the wealthy simply do not pay taxes.....you represent evil, and yes unfettered socialism is equally as bad, but nobody is proposing the same in the mainstream political spectrum.

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:Well over 200 years of Capitalism, success until these past few years when we have a leader who wants to lower our standards using Socialism.

No.....if returning tax rates to when they worked, and decreasing subsidies for the MIC and Oligarchy is socialism.....I think most would say not allowing unfettered greed and corruption under the guise of a free market system destroy  America is a good thing.  You understand that what you propose would turn America into a Latin American Oligarchy which controls puppet politicians and like Greece the wealthy simply do not pay taxes.....you represent evil, and yes unfettered socialism is equally as bad, but nobody is proposing the same in the mainstream political spectrum.

If tax rates were returned to when they "worked". I have to presume you would agree to cut spending to the same rates and eliminate all agencies NOT in existence at that time? You realize, we also have to cut Social Security and Medicare payments from 15+% down to 3% which is paid only by the employee.

I take it you also realize that people making little or no money will also pay a percentage of that for income tax too.

That all work for you?

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Well over 200 years of Capitalism, success until these past few years when we have a leader who wants to lower our standards using Socialism.

No.....if returning tax rates to when they worked, and decreasing subsidies for the MIC and Oligarchy is socialism.....I think most would say not allowing unfettered greed and corruption under the guise of a free market system destroy  America is a good thing.  You understand that what you propose would turn America into a Latin American Oligarchy which controls puppet politicians and like Greece the wealthy simply do not pay taxes.....you represent evil, and yes unfettered socialism is equally as bad, but nobody is proposing the same in the mainstream political spectrum.

If tax rates were returned to when they "worked".  I have to presume you would agree to cut spending to the same rates and eliminate all agencies NOT in existence at that time?  You realize, we also have to cut Social Security and Medicare payments from 15+% down to 3% which is paid only by the employee.

I take it you also realize that people making little or no money will also pay a percentage of that for income tax too.

That all work for you?

Semi Sane Markle would prefer we cut taxes completely for the ultra rich, and raise them for the middle and lower classes.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:Before Hugo Chavez's leadership, Venezuela's poor -- the broad majority of the country's population, suffered terribly.  Chavez brought in socialism and put a gun -- rightfully -- to the world's bloodsucking oil companies.  Poverty diminished considerably, educational institutions benefited, and Chavez became the people's hero -- he was re-elected several times.  

The issue of this thread asked for forum members to list countries whose populations benefited after socialism became a reality.  Venezuela qualifies in every way.  Even with all their current problems, the people of Venezuela are much MUCH better off now than they were before socialism.

As for the demented old fascist's proclamation that socialism always fails, he omits mentioning that the United States has ALWAYS had a blend of capitalism and socialism -- public schools, roads, infrastructure, etc.  

And socialism is doing quite well, thank you, in all the Scandinavian countries.

It appears that Semi Sane "I know NOSSING!" Markle's claims about the flaws of socialism has all the veracity of his claims that Jamestown was the first foreign settlement in the New World.

Markle hates socialism because under such a system, bloodsucking, killer corporations lose their free pass to bleed workers until there is nothing left to steal.  

Markle is, and always has been a fascist.   And fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power -- as Benito Mussolini declared.

Markle thinks tyrants like the Koch Bros. should rule America.

Fuck Amerika Inc.!!

Amusing is he not?

No one in Capitalist America go without food, in Socialist Venezuela people are standing in line for a loaf of bread.

Well over 200 years of Capitalism, success until these past few years when we have a leader who wants to lower our standards using Socialism.

Venezuela, reduced to Socialism only a few years ago and they are in collapse.

Sad to see what someone thinks is a grand idea for America.  Reduce us to third world status.

Imagine, Wordslinger even believes CUBA is doing better too!  Wow...those must be some really cool rose colored glasses.  I visited Cuba a few times before Castro and a few times after no so legally.  Night and day!  Now, thousands of political prisoners, abject poverty is common.  Wordslinger does love that it is SHARED MISERY.  BUT, a few years back, ALL the Cuban households received a FREE RICE MAKER!  Who could ask for more?


What utter bullshit Markle tries to fling. The reason the Cuban people backed Castro and joined the revolution was they knew they were getting a raw deal from the American puppet presidents, the last one of which was Fulgencia Batista. Under American business domination, big American companies -- like United Fruit (owned by the Kennedys) -- exploited Cuban workers by paying them the lowest possible wages. The exploitation was managed by a few wealthy Cuban families -- most of which were shot when Castro took over, and many of whom escaped to Miami. Under Castro, Cuba has one of the highest literacy ratings, universal free healthcare, free schooling including universities, and other benefits denied the Cuban people under the former U.S. business and government domination. Yes the Cuban economy has been stifled by America's trade embargo, and yes the Cuban people are poor. --
But they're much better off than they were before Castro, and most of them still respect and honor him. Reality.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
2seaoat wrote:Well over 200 years of Capitalism, success until these past few years when we have a leader who wants to lower our standards using Socialism.

No.....if returning tax rates to when they worked, and decreasing subsidies for the MIC and Oligarchy is socialism.....I think most would say not allowing unfettered greed and corruption under the guise of a free market system destroy  America is a good thing.  You understand that what you propose would turn America into a Latin American Oligarchy which controls puppet politicians and like Greece the wealthy simply do not pay taxes.....you represent evil, and yes unfettered socialism is equally as bad, but nobody is proposing the same in the mainstream political spectrum.

If tax rates were returned to when they "worked".  I have to presume you would agree to cut spending to the same rates and eliminate all agencies NOT in existence at that time?  You realize, we also have to cut Social Security and Medicare payments from 15+% down to 3% which is paid only by the employee.

I take it you also realize that people making little or no money will also pay a percentage of that for income tax too.

That all work for you?

Semi Sane Markle would prefer we cut taxes completely for the ultra rich, and raise them for the middle and lower classes.  

Try answering the question. I realize concentration is not your strong point.

Markle

Markle

THIS is what my Socialist/Communist good friend Wordslinger sees as paradise for the United States.



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