Anyone who underestimates Bernie Sander's Appeal is Stupid!

My socialism and that of Bernie Sanders are identical. We're fascist corporatisms worst nightmare. We believe America should be a true, representative government, not one owned by the ultra rich.

Check out Mr. Sander's beliefs and the amount of money he's already raised from WE THE PEOPLE!


http://www.alternet.org/dont-underestimate-me-after-shocking-fundraising-totals-bernie-sanders-defends-european-style

Wordslinger wrote:Anyone who underestimates Bernie Sander's Appeal is Stupid!  

Well the stupid want to ask you two questions.

1.  Why would the same electorate which just put republicans in control of both houses of Congress want to do a 180 and vote a socialist in as President?  

2.  Just for the sake of discussion,  let's assume the electorate does want a republican congress and a socialist president at the same time and that's what we get.
The question then becomes,  how does a republican congress and a socialist president ever work together to accomplish anything?

REALITY!! lol

Bernie Sanders could win. He is a very likeable guy. I have listened to him for about five years with a special on the Thom Hartman radio show called lunch with Bernie. I do not always agree with his positions and like Ed Shultz they both have a skewed view on how profit is made in this country, but both men care about average americans. That quality about Bernie is exceptional, and although I would never vote for Bernie, I would be proud to see him as the President of the United States.

To answer Bob's question about how could Bernie win.....the same way President Obama won......the demographics favor a democrat in a national election. The Senate will go back to the democrats in 2016 because of the structural advantage of swing state elections where Republican will lose seats, and depending on the success of Bernie's populism in the primary they actually could gain seats in the house. Bernie Sanders could win.

The Democrat won in 2008 because the electorate had gotten tired of Bush.
Same reason they voted republican in the midterms. They're now tired of Obama. And they aren't about to replace him with someone who is even further to the left.

Bob wrote:The Democrat won in 2008 because the electorate had gotten tired of Bush.
Same reason they voted republican in the midterms.  They're now tired of Obama.  And they aren't about to replace him with someone who is even further to the left.

I nominate "...tired of Bush..." as the understatement of the month.

Floridatexan wrote:

I nominate "...tired of Bush..." as the understatement of the month.  

But if you want to know if the overall population is now tired of Obama, there's a pretty foolproof way to do that.

Once the campaign for democrat nominee gets going, listen to what Clinton starts saying.
Is she running on the wonderful record of Obama? Or is she trying to distance herself from him?
She'll spend millions of dollars on polling to determine exactly how she handles that. And whatever you see her say will reflect what she thinks the voters are wanting her to say.
And there you'll have your answer about whether the overall electorate is now tired of Obama too.

Wordslinger wrote:My socialism and that of Bernie Sanders are identical.  We're fascist corporatisms worst nightmare.  We believe America should be a true, representative government, not one owned by the ultra rich.

Check out Mr. Sander's beliefs and the amount of money he's already raised from WE THE PEOPLE!

http://www.alternet.org/dont-underestimate-me-after-shocking-fundraising-totals-bernie-sanders-defends-european-style

Who could make this up?

A Socialist/Communist, supporting a Socialist/Communist website...who is supporting a Socialist Communist.

You're a great foil!

I agree with many issues that Bernie is championing and it starts with returning tax rates to 1980 levels and taking 30 years to pay down our debt and invest in our infrastructure. He also is a strong believer in defense budget cuts. I think some of his views on trade are protectionist, but there has been such an abandonment of the American worker with economic dislocation caused by trade that some of his points are valid. He wants Wall Street and Banksters to pay their own way and get them off the subsidies. He can win. There are few politicians in America who are more honest and likeable. Obama was not elected merely because Americans tired of President Bush. The demographics of national elections have NEVER been more difficult for Republicans, and splinter radical individuals who dominate the primaries destroy traditional Republican messages of governmental efficiency and support for business.

2seaoat wrote:I agree with many issues that Bernie is championing and it starts with returning tax rates to 1980 levels and taking 30 years to pay down our debt and invest in our infrastructure.  He also is a strong believer in defense budget cuts.  I think some of his views on trade are protectionist, but there has been such an abandonment of the American worker with economic dislocation caused by trade that some of his points are valid.  He wants Wall Street and Banksters to pay their own way and get them off the subsidies.   He can win.  There are few politicians in America who are more honest and likeable.  Obama was not elected merely because Americans tired of President Bush.  The demographics of national elections have NEVER been more difficult for Republicans, and  splinter radical individuals who dominate the primaries destroy traditional Republican messages of governmental efficiency and support for business.

I have a feeling the biggest obstacle to Bernie is going be the same one that Ron Paul always had, no media support. If your message isn't getting out to the masses you lose.

gatorfan wrote:
I have a feeling the biggest obstacle to Bernie is going be the same one that Ron Paul always had, no media support. If your message isn't getting out to the masses you lose.

Question. Do you believe a candidate who is championing European style socialism can win the upcoming election?
Why would you believe that?

Bob wrote:

gatorfan wrote:
I have a feeling the biggest obstacle to Bernie is going be the same one that Ron Paul always had, no media support. If your message isn't getting out to the masses you lose.

Question.  Do you believe a candidate who is championing European style socialism can win the upcoming election?
Why would you believe that?

I don't think he has a chance, just stating the obstacle. I even said in another thread that he can't win. A FEW of his ideas are good though, he seems to be the only one concerned about infrastructure so maybe that will bleed off onto some of the other hopefuls.

gatorfan wrote:

2seaoat wrote:I agree with many issues that Bernie is championing and it starts with returning tax rates to 1980 levels and taking 30 years to pay down our debt and invest in our infrastructure.  He also is a strong believer in defense budget cuts.  I think some of his views on trade are protectionist, but there has been such an abandonment of the American worker with economic dislocation caused by trade that some of his points are valid.  He wants Wall Street and Banksters to pay their own way and get them off the subsidies.   He can win.  There are few politicians in America who are more honest and likeable.  Obama was not elected merely because Americans tired of President Bush.  The demographics of national elections have NEVER been more difficult for Republicans, and  splinter radical individuals who dominate the primaries destroy traditional Republican messages of governmental efficiency and support for business.

I have a feeling the biggest obstacle to Bernie is going be the same one that Ron Paul always had, no media support. If your message isn't getting out to the masses you lose.

I've been an admirer of Bernie Sanders for years. He is on point. He is a fierce defender of individual rights and harsh critic of Wall Street. He could pull this off, but the fact that he's in the race means the dialogue has to change. His words: "Don't underestimate me."

Oh, and I read this book:

Markle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:My socialism and that of Bernie Sanders are identical.  We're fascist corporatisms worst nightmare.  We believe America should be a true, representative government, not one owned by the ultra rich.

Check out Mr. Sander's beliefs and the amount of money he's already raised from WE THE PEOPLE!

http://www.alternet.org/dont-underestimate-me-after-shocking-fundraising-totals-bernie-sanders-defends-european-style

Who could make this up?

A Socialist/Communist, supporting a Socialist/Communist website...who is supporting a Socialist Communist.

You're a great foil!

Just exactly when did you realize the butter slipped of your noodle and the elevator doesn't go all the way to the top? I suggest you compare the difference's between socialism and communism.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism

Bob wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

I nominate "...tired of Bush..." as the understatement of the month.  

But if you want to know if the overall population is now tired of Obama,  there's a pretty foolproof way to do that.

Once the campaign for democrat nominee gets going,  listen to what Clinton starts saying.  
Is she running on the wonderful record of Obama?  Or is she trying to distance herself from him?
She'll spend millions of dollars on polling to determine exactly how she handles that.  And whatever you see her say will reflect what she thinks the voters are wanting her to say.  
And there you'll have your answer about whether the overall electorate is now tired of Obama too.

Here's a prediction for you. Barack Obama WILL be invited to the Democratic National Convention.

Floridatexan wrote:

Here's a prediction for you.  Barack Obama WILL be invited to the Democratic National Convention.  

Didn't you just say the people were tired of Bush when he left office? In fact if I remember right, you said that was "an understatement".
Well Bush was invited to the 2008 Republican convention too. lol

Look, it's obvious how much some of you like Bernie Sanders. And that's fine.
But if wanting someone to be President is all it takes for him to be President,
then I badly wanted Brian Schweitzer to be President in 2008. But you'll notice that never happened either. lol

2seaoat wrote:I agree with many issues that Bernie is championing and it starts with returning tax rates to 1980 levels and taking 30 years to pay down our debt and invest in our infrastructure.  He also is a strong believer in defense budget cuts.  I think some of his views on trade are protectionist, but there has been such an abandonment of the American worker with economic dislocation caused by trade that some of his points are valid.  He wants Wall Street and Banksters to pay their own way and get them off the subsidies.   He can win.  There are few politicians in America who are more honest and likeable.  Obama was not elected merely because Americans tired of President Bush.  The demographics of national elections have NEVER been more difficult for Republicans, and  splinter radical individuals who dominate the primaries destroy traditional Republican messages of governmental efficiency and support for business.

This is a hoot isn't it?

Progressives are always screaming (that's the only way Wordslinger can talk now) that Republicans are always angry, old white men. So what is Socialist Bernie Sanders? An angry, old white man.

Yes, we should follow the examples of Greece and we all know how well that's working.

We know too how well the astronomical tax France tried too.

Wordslinger wrote:Greece represents Greece.  Ask a Scandinavian how they like high taxes, when combined with early retirement, free education, free healthcare, very little unemployment and living in a country that avoids unnecessary wars.

Like Bernie says, the socialist-democratic western European nations contain the most satisfied citizens on earth.

http://www.presscave.com/top-best-countries-to-live-in-the-world/

Bob wrote:

Floridatexan wrote:

Here's a prediction for you.  Barack Obama WILL be invited to the Democratic National Convention.  

Didn't you just say the people were tired of Bush when he left office?  In fact if I remember right,  you said that was "an understatement".
Well Bush was invited to the 2008 Republican convention too.  lol

It's possible, though improbable, that he was invited, but he didn't attend, although he did give a televised speech. My guess is he was told to stay home...no "coattails"...to say the least.

Markle wrote:

2seaoat wrote:I agree with many issues that Bernie is championing and it starts with returning tax rates to 1980 levels and taking 30 years to pay down our debt and invest in our infrastructure.  He also is a strong believer in defense budget cuts.  I think some of his views on trade are protectionist, but there has been such an abandonment of the American worker with economic dislocation caused by trade that some of his points are valid.  He wants Wall Street and Banksters to pay their own way and get them off the subsidies.   He can win.  There are few politicians in America who are more honest and likeable.  Obama was not elected merely because Americans tired of President Bush.  The demographics of national elections have NEVER been more difficult for Republicans, and  splinter radical individuals who dominate the primaries destroy traditional Republican messages of governmental efficiency and support for business.

This is a hoot isn't it?

Progressives are always screaming (that's the only way Wordslinger can talk now)  that Republicans are always angry, old white men.  So what is Socialist Bernie Sanders?  An angry, old white man.

Yes, we should follow the examples of Greece and we all know how well that's working.

We know too how well the astronomical tax France tried too.

You're a "hoot." The GOP is full of con-men, hucksters, thieves and blackhearted vulture capitalists. They're all courting billionaires. Somewhere in there, the law of diminishing returns has to kick in. Good luck in 2016...you'll need it.

2seaoat wrote:I agree with many issues that Bernie is championing and it starts with returning tax rates to 1980 levels and taking 30 years to pay down our debt and invest in our infrastructure.  He also is a strong believer in defense budget cuts.  I think some of his views on trade are protectionist, but there has been such an abandonment of the American worker with economic dislocation caused by trade that some of his points are valid.  He wants Wall Street and Banksters to pay their own way and get them off the subsidies.   He can win.  There are few politicians in America who are more honest and likeable.  Obama was not elected merely because Americans tired of President Bush.  The demographics of national elections have NEVER been more difficult for Republicans, and  splinter radical individuals who dominate the primaries destroy traditional Republican messages of governmental efficiency and support for business.

This is a hoot isn't it?

Progressives are always screaming (that's the only way Wordslinger can talk now) that Republicans are always angry, old white men. So what is Socialist Bernie Sanders? An angry, old white man.

Yes, we should follow the examples of Greece and we all know how well that's working.

We know too how well the astronomical tax France tried too.

Wordslinger wrote:Greece represents Greece.  Ask a Scandinavian how they like high taxes, when combined with early retirement, free education, free healthcare, very little unemployment and living in a country that avoids unnecessary wars.

Like Bernie says, the socialist-democratic western European nations contain the most satisfied citizens on earth.

So were all the people of Greece...until they ran out money.

People on welfare, food stamp, subsidized housing, free cell phones, free cable and high speed internet are satisfied too.

Well I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
When a "lifelong republican" like seaoat is predicting a socialist could win the presidency and the democrats will take back the congress, then I guess anything could happen. lol

Markle wrote:

So were all the people of Greece...until they ran out money.
 

That list I linked of the top ten best countries in the world to live in had six of the top ten being the countries you see below.

Here's a comparison of those countries by debt to GDP ratio...

Denmark  45.3%
Norway    30.3%
Netherlands  68.7%
Sweden   38.6%
Switzerland  52.4%
Finland    53.5%

and now compare that to the United States

United States  72.5%