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MIT says solar power fields with trillions of watts of capacity are on the way

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http://www.computerworld.com/article/2919134/sustainable-it/mit-says-solar-power-fields-with-trillions-of-watts-of-capacity-are-on-the-way.html




A massive study on solar power by researchers at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology came to two main conclusions: Solar energy holds the best potential for meeting the planet's long-term energy needs while reducing greenhouse gases and federal and state governments must do more to promote its development.

The main goal of U.S. solar policy should be to build the foundation for a massive scale-up of solar generation over the next few decades, the study said.

"What the study shows is that our focus needs to shift toward new technologies and policies that have the potential to make solar a compelling economic option," said Richard Schmalensee, a Professor Emeritus of Economics and Management at the MIT Sloan School of Management.

Federal and state subsidy programs designed to encourage investment in solar systems should be reviewed with an eye on increasing their cost-effectiveness and with a greater emphasis on rewarding production of solar energy, the study said.

For example, the federal government's solar investment tax credit (ITC), passed in 2008, is set to expire next year. It offered a 30% tax credit for residential and business installations for solar energy. When it expires in 2016, the tax credit will drop to a more permanent 10%.

The MIT Energy Initiative (MITEI) released results of the study in a 356-page report, The Future of Solar Energy, on Monday. The study found that even with today's crystalline silicon photovoltaic (PV) technologies, the industry could achieve terawatt-scale deployment of solar power by 2050 without major technological advances.

A terawatt is a trillion watts of electricity.

The study focused on three challenges to achieving that goal: developing new solar technologies, integrating solar generation at large scale into existing electric systems, and designing efficient policies to support solar tech deployment.

The researchers undertook the study and published their findings because of the "enormous potential of solar energy as a tool to reduce global CO2 emissions and the great importance of effecting those reductions."

Solar electricity generation is one of "very few low-carbon energy technologies" with the potential to grow to very large scale, the study said. "As a consequence, massive expansion of global solar-generating capacity to multi-terawatt scale is a very likely and essential component of a workable strategy to mitigate climate change risk."

The research strongly recommends that a large fraction of federal resources available for solar R&D focus on environmentally benign, emerging thin-film technologies that are based on Earth-abundant materials.

"The recent shift of federal dollars for solar R&D away from fundamental research of this sort to focus on near-term cost reductions in c-Si technology should be reversed," the researchers said.

Crystalline silicon dominates today's PV landscape and will continue to be the leading deployed PV technology for at least the next decade, according to MIT. Crystalline silicon (c-Si) solar cells are divided into two categories: single-crystalline (sc-Si) and ulticrystalline (mc-Si). The higher crystal quality in sc-Si cells improves charge extraction and power conversion, but requires wafers that are 20% to 30% more expensive.

Some new thin-film technologies, made by depositing one or more thin layers, or thin films of photovoltaic material on a substrate, such as glass, plastic or metal, could save money on installation and PV module costs.

"Massive expansion of solar generation worldwide by mid-century is likely a necessary component of any serious strategy to mitigate climate change," the study concluded. "Fortunately, the solar resource dwarfs current and projected future electricity demand. In recent years, solar costs have fallen substantially and installed capacity has grown very rapidly."


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Solar power panels are not green when sitting in landfill

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KarlRove wrote:Solar power panels are not green when sitting in landfill


Question for you, Karl: What do you think is the best energy source?


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I read where installation for a home in Florida costs ~ $20,000  Then you get back ~ $10,000 from Gulf Power.  On your federal income taxes there is a rebate of $5,000.

Amazing to me Gulf Power has the money for a rebate like that when they just had an increase in power consumption rates???

Fill me in...

And I think solar power and wind power are great.

KarlRove

KarlRove

Solar power is far from green

KarlRove

KarlRove

Especially when it is not in use and thrown in a landfill

boards of FL

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KarlRove wrote:Especially when it is not in use and thrown in a landfill


You just repeated yourself. What do you feel is the most optimal energy source?


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KarlRove wrote:Solar power is far from green

Especially when it is not in use and thrown in a landfill

Solar power is an obama commie plot.  

Raghead oil is the conservative capitalist energy and always will be.  Just ask Jed Clampett.  He was a good christian man practicing his second amendment rights like all good christian men.  He fired his confederate rifle into the ground and the conservative texan tea bubbled up in a gusher.  He sold that black gold and bought him a mansion in Beverly Hills like all good christian conservatives.  
If Jed had bought obama's solar panels they'd all now be rotting in the Perdido Landfill along with all that other green bullshit.  And Jed and granny and jethro would all be on welfare.

Don't let obama and those commies fool you about that oil.  Oil is natural in the Gulf of Mexico like limbaugh says.  BP just put a little more in there to augment nature.  
If Obama had been allowed to dump solar panels in the Gulf it woulda ruined it.  Case closed.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Saul Alinsky,  the worst commie who ever lived (other than obama of course) said this in 1931...

“I’d put my money on the sun and solar energy. What a source of power! I hope we don’t have to wait until oil and coal run out before we tackle that. I wish I had more years left.”

It's a good thing the great conservative capitalists like Thomas Edison didn't think like that, elst we'd all be living in landfills in lean-tos made out of solar panels and worshipping Karl Marx.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Plus,  if this MIT thingamajig turns out to be true,  the electric grid will become obsolete and my Southern Company stock will become worthless and I'll be broke as a welfare recipient.  So I'm agin it.
I only hope Southern Company can buy up the patents on it and then bury it.

KarlRove

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by boards of FL Today at 1:09 pm
KarlRove wrote:

Especially when it is not in use and thrown in a landfill


You just repeated yourself. What do you feel is the most optimal energy source?
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It hasn't been discovered yet.

boards of FL

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KarlRove wrote:by boards of FL Today at 1:09 pm
KarlRove wrote:

Especially when it is not in use and thrown in a landfill


You just repeated yourself. What do you feel is the most optimal energy source?
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It hasn't been discovered yet.


I'll rephrase.  Among the energy sources currently available to us, which do you feel is the optimal energy source?


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Be patient,  bds.  Karl need some time to get Sarah Palin's and Rush Limbaugh's opinion on it.  When he has that he'll get back to you.

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Don't worry about posters like KarlRove or semi-demented poster Markle, for that matter. Had those two been born in the 19th century, they would have decried the coming transition from horse-buggies to automobiles.

I have been saying for the last couple of years that solar electricity will one day eclipse all other means of electrical generation. This transition will happen during the 21st Century; likely not fast enough for climate-change activists (of which I am not), but within 30-40 years, the transition will be obvious and unstoppable. It will happen just in time, too, because oil is going to become much harder to find and extract later in this century.

This is going to be exciting to follow! I would love to have Dow PowerHouse solar shingles on my roof and a Tesla Powerwall storage unit one day.

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ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

KarlRove wrote:It hasn't been discovered yet.

Are you waiting for someone to invent something akin to dilithium crystals?

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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Actually there's an alternative to oil,  wind,  or converting sunlight into electricity.  The concept was discovered long ago.  And if and when the technology becomes practical,  it could then supply a limitless supply of clean renewable energy without anything going into the Gulf or the landfill.

It's the method Jehova and Allah first came up with 6000 years ago when they created the Universe.  It's how stars work including our own Sun...

http://rt.com/usa/fusion-energy-power-ignition-806/

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boards of FL wrote:
KarlRove wrote:Especially when it is not in use and thrown in a landfill


You just repeated yourself.  What do you feel is the most optimal energy source?

Today, coal, oil and gas and nuclear for the next 100 years.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

Markle wrote:

Today, coal, oil and gas and nuclear for the next 100 years.

Markle, if you had been around in 1900, I feel certain you would have predicted horses and buggies would be the dominant means of transportation for the next 100 years.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Bob wrote:Actually there's an alternative to oil,  wind,  or converting sunlight into electricity.  The concept was discovered long ago.  And if and when the technology becomes practical,  it could then supply a limitless supply of clean renewable energy without anything going into the Gulf or the landfill.

It's the method Jehova and Allah first came up with 6000 years ago when they created the Universe.  It's how stars work including our own Sun...

http://rt.com/usa/fusion-energy-power-ignition-806/

Lockheed Martin is actually working on fusion. Lockheed is proceeding full-bore on this in its renowned 'Skunk Works.' The 'Skunk Works' is known for having produced disruptive technologies in aviation, and now they are going to do it in energy. I believe they will succeed, and will have a compact fusion reactor in production by 2030. The applications will be vast, from aerospace to powering homes. It will make all other forms of energy obsolete when this happens.

If Lockheed can make this happen, they can drop out from the MIC if they want, because their profits will not be dependent on weapons buys authorized by Congress any more.


http://www.lockheedmartin.com/us/products/compact-fusion.html

http://aviationweek.com/technology/skunk-works-reveals-compact-fusion-reactor-details

http://sploid.gizmodo.com/lockheed-martins-new-fusion-reactor-might-change-humani-1646578094

This will not put oil or coal companies out of business, because there are so many uses for those resources besides burning them for fuel.

The invention of the fusion reactor will be as disruptive as the invention of the airplane was in 1903. I will be watching this with great excitement.

http://www.best-electric-barbecue-grills.com

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

Bob wrote:
Markle wrote:

Today, coal, oil and gas and nuclear for the next 100 years.

Markle,  if you had been around in 1900,  I feel certain you would have predicted horses and buggies would be the dominant means of transportation for the next 100 years.  

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2seaoat



We will need it all. however, the market must recapture the negative sources of energy and all their societal costs....but we will need it all.

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Markle wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
KarlRove wrote:Especially when it is not in use and thrown in a landfill


You just repeated yourself.  What do you feel is the most optimal energy source?

Today, coal, oil and gas and nuclear for the next 100 years.


So it appears that in addition to not being able to name any policy that he supports, KarlRove also cannot come up with an answer to something as straighforward and subjective as "Which energy source do you feel is most optimal", so I guess I'll respond to you instead.

Markle, outside of nuclear, each of the energy sources that you mentioned are ultimately solar energy. You realize that, right? Your answer could essentially be read as "Today, solar, solar and solar and nuclear."


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SheWrites wrote:I read where installation for a home in Florida costs ~ $20,000  Then you get back ~ $10,000 from Gulf Power.  On your federal income taxes there is a rebate of $5,000.

Amazing to me Gulf Power has the money for a rebate like that when they just had an increase in power consumption rates???

Fill me in...

And I think solar power and wind power are great.

Anyone have a plausible answer to this? I'd prefer something that doesn't blame Obama, Hillary, or Bush. Razz

ZVUGKTUBM

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SheWrites wrote:
SheWrites wrote:I read where installation for a home in Florida costs ~ $20,000  Then you get back ~ $10,000 from Gulf Power.  On your federal income taxes there is a rebate of $5,000.

Amazing to me Gulf Power has the money for a rebate like that when they just had an increase in power consumption rates???

Fill me in...

And I think solar power and wind power are great.

Anyone have a plausible answer to this?  I'd prefer something that doesn't blame Obama, Hillary, or Bush.  Razz

I wish I could answer your question, SheWrites...... I will be excited to see someone install the first Dow PowerHouse solar rooftop in Pensacola, however.


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2seaoat



Anyone have a plausible answer to this? I'd prefer something that doesn't blame Obama, Hillary, or Bush. Razz


The answer is pretty simple. Gulf Power is spending hundreds of millions on scrubbers on their old coal plants. I had a tenant in a house who was a contractor over on the Charlie Christ Plant and they were throwing a lot of money on those scrubbers......the mercury in escambia bay and the potential liability like Duke Power is paying in the Carolinas has all utilities trying to not turn on their coal generation. The Peaker plants with low natural gas prices are growing by the day, but solar offers huge gains in capacity during the day during PEAK useage. The key cost savings is getting as much Peak without throwing capital into an inefficient plant where excess capacity after peak hours is wasted.....solar and wind fit the bill.....the utilities are not doing it go be green.....there are real dollar savings.

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