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Our CIA didn't dig up Bin Ladin's hideaway, the Pakistanis gave him to us!

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2seaoat
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Sal

Sal

Well, one thing is fershur.

If Hersh is correct, then torture definitely didn't work.

Kinda puts the wingnutz in a bit of a box, don't it?

lmao

2seaoat



I have been working, but the attack on the school where government and military families had their children attend resulted in I believe almost 150 children being killed or wounded.  The brutality of this attack has caused a backlash in Pakistan, but the street rumors have always been that the government cooperated in the killing of Bin Laden......the school was seen as payback.....but again innuendo does not make facts, and the suspicions are very real in Pakistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Peshawar_school_massacre

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

2seaoat wrote:I have been working, but the attack on the school where government and military families had their children attend resulted in I believe almost 150 children being killed or wounded.  The brutality of this attack has caused a backlash in Pakistan, but the street rumors have always been that the government cooperated in the killing of Bin Laden......the school was seen as payback.....but again innuendo does not make facts, and the suspicions are very real in Pakistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Peshawar_school_massacre
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Thanks for the update and input.

Hersh is now strongly defending his original story. The hardcore Administration rejection, followed by numerous claims by major media that Hersh's story is an absurd lie, tighten my suspicion that Hersh may be right.

Q: Do you believe anything the CIA releases to the media on this subject?

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

How do we know who's telling the truth about anything anymore.  
At the same time the amount of information available to us has grown exponentially,  the presence of any impartiality in it seems to have dropped at about the same rate.
And that applies equally to the corporate media, the alternative media, social media, and whatever else.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:It appears the whole story as released by the Obama administration and the SEALS is total bullshit.

The Pakistani government knew about the raid and promised not to interfere as long as Bin Ladin was killed.

The heroic SEAL raid story is total bullshit.  They knew there would be no interference from the Pakistanis.  They didn't go there to capture Bin Ladin, they went there to murder him.

When are we supposed to believe anything released by the media in cooperation with our deceitful, loose-cannon CIA?

We need to disband the CIA which no longer protects us from foreign threats but has become a political tool of the presidency.

Check out reality here:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden?ncid=newsltushpmg00000003

Totally, 100% FALSE. Not at all surprising.

The Seals did not go there to murder Osama bin Laden, they went there to KILL him.

2seaoat



Do you believe anything the CIA releases to the media on this subject?

It is none of those things which matter. It is the underlying logic of the attack. First, there has already been an unauthorized release by seal team members of strategies of the assault. If they were getting the wink wink do not worry about the Paki air response, that would be public knowledge. Additionally, there are assets with input on Bin Laden which may not ever be disclosed because of their security, and it is quite possible that those assets contributed to his location, but we will NEVER know because they protect their sources.

So, logically with the attack on the school, this rumor has been alive and well for a few years. However, to say that we were going to trust the security in Pakistan to stand down, when the military is already infiltrated with militants is not a chess move the CIA or military would make......would not be done. President Obama made it clear and contrary to John that he would go into Pakistan to get terrorists without permission on the campaign trail.....this issue was debated in the light of day.

I would put the probabilities at 95% certain that Hersh has a believable fantasy which rumors have been rampant in Pakistan. I do not think the military chain of command would trust the Pakistani line command, unless Chuck Yeager was alive and brokered the deal himself......this is obviously some wishful thinking and poor journalism.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

The issue, it would seem, remains in dispute:

http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/30124-the-bin-laden-raid-the-truth-is-out-there

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:It appears the whole story as released by the Obama administration and the SEALS is total bullshit.

The Pakistani government knew about the raid and promised not to interfere as long as Bin Ladin was killed.

The heroic SEAL raid story is total bullshit.  They knew there would be no interference from the Pakistanis.  They didn't go there to capture Bin Ladin, they went there to murder him.

When are we supposed to believe anything released by the media in cooperation with our deceitful, loose-cannon CIA?

We need to disband the CIA which no longer protects us from foreign threats but has become a political tool of the presidency.

Check out reality here:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden?ncid=newsltushpmg00000003

Totally, 100% FALSE.  Not at all surprising.

The Seals did not go there to murder Osama bin Laden, they went there to KILL him.

In other words, you trust President Obama's word on this affair? Glad to hear you're an Obama supporter. Welcome aboard!

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Read this article on the Bin Laden raid, it makes a powerful statement that supports Hersh's claims:
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/11/seymour_hersh_vs_judy_miller_the_truth_about_bin_ladens_death_and_the_anonymous_government_sources_the_new_york_times_is_delighted_to_print_as_truth/?source=newsletter

KarlRove

KarlRove

Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:It appears the whole story as released by the Obama administration and the SEALS is total bullshit.

The Pakistani government knew about the raid and promised not to interfere as long as Bin Ladin was killed.

The heroic SEAL raid story is total bullshit.  They knew there would be no interference from the Pakistanis.  They didn't go there to capture Bin Ladin, they went there to murder him.

When are we supposed to believe anything released by the media in cooperation with our deceitful, loose-cannon CIA?

We need to disband the CIA which no longer protects us from foreign threats but has become a political tool of the presidency.

Check out reality here:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden?ncid=newsltushpmg00000003

Totally, 100% FALSE. Not at all surprising.

The Seals did not go there to murder Osama bin Laden, they went there to KILL him.

Murder is what the liberals call it when a POTUS orders someone killed who isn't even American, yet when a citizen like Alawaki's kid is killed, it's all good. lol The hypocrisy of the left runs deeper than the Marianna's Trench.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

KarlRove wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:It appears the whole story as released by the Obama administration and the SEALS is total bullshit.

The Pakistani government knew about the raid and promised not to interfere as long as Bin Ladin was killed.

The heroic SEAL raid story is total bullshit.  They knew there would be no interference from the Pakistanis.  They didn't go there to capture Bin Ladin, they went there to murder him.

When are we supposed to believe anything released by the media in cooperation with our deceitful, loose-cannon CIA?

We need to disband the CIA which no longer protects us from foreign threats but has become a political tool of the presidency.

Check out reality here:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden?ncid=newsltushpmg00000003

Totally, 100% FALSE.  Not at all surprising.

The Seals did not go there to Osama bin Laden, they went there to KILL him.

Murder is what the liberals call it when a POTUS orders someone killed who isn't even American, yet when a citizen like Alawaki's kid is killed, it's all good. lol The hypocrisy of the left runs deeper than the Marianna's Trench.

Once again you are unable to stay focused; the issue is whether the story we were told about the Bin Ladin death raid was true, or not. It has nothing whatever to do with either of the two dysfunctional political parties. If you want to whine about Alawaki's kid's murder by the CIA, be my guest. In that situation, I agree it was a tragic mistake -- one of thousands conducted by our rogue security agencies ... Reality.

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
Markle wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:It appears the whole story as released by the Obama administration and the SEALS is total bullshit.

The Pakistani government knew about the raid and promised not to interfere as long as Bin Ladin was killed.

The heroic SEAL raid story is total bullshit.  They knew there would be no interference from the Pakistanis.  They didn't go there to capture Bin Ladin, they went there to murder him.

When are we supposed to believe anything released by the media in cooperation with our deceitful, loose-cannon CIA?

We need to disband the CIA which no longer protects us from foreign threats but has become a political tool of the presidency.

Check out reality here:

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden?ncid=newsltushpmg00000003

Totally, 100% FALSE.  Not at all surprising.

The Seals did not go there to murder Osama bin Laden, they went there to KILL him.

In other words, you trust President Obama's word on this affair?  Glad to hear you're an Obama supporter.  Welcome aboard!

You continue to be confusing. I thought you opposed semi-retired President Obama.

No, I take President Obama's word for nothing. He, like you, is a proven liar. I do take the word of those who were on the mission.

Information as to Osama bin Laden's location was passed to us by a doctor working for us as an informer. Typical of President Obama, the doctor was thrown under the bus and is now in a Pakistani prison. President Obama had no intention or plan to extract the doctor and his family.

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