Anyone who underestimates Bernie Sander's Appeal is Stupid!

Markle wrote:

2seaoat wrote:I agree with many issues that Bernie is championing and it starts with returning tax rates to 1980 levels and taking 30 years to pay down our debt and invest in our infrastructure.  He also is a strong believer in defense budget cuts.  I think some of his views on trade are protectionist, but there has been such an abandonment of the American worker with economic dislocation caused by trade that some of his points are valid.  He wants Wall Street and Banksters to pay their own way and get them off the subsidies.   He can win.  There are few politicians in America who are more honest and likeable.  Obama was not elected merely because Americans tired of President Bush.  The demographics of national elections have NEVER been more difficult for Republicans, and  splinter radical individuals who dominate the primaries destroy traditional Republican messages of governmental efficiency and support for business.

This is a hoot isn't it?

Progressives are always screaming (that's the only way Wordslinger can talk now)  that Republicans are always angry, old white men.  So what is Socialist Bernie Sanders?  An angry, old white man.

Yes, we should follow the examples of Greece and we all know how well that's working.

We know too how well the astronomical tax France tried too.

2seaoat wrote:  What is funny is that Bob calls him a European Socialists which is absurd, and in fact he sounds more like a traditional Republican who ALWAYS wanted infrastructure improvements which improved American productivity.  Yet, in the last six years we have seen those calling themselves Republicans voting against Highway funds being increased and investment in infrastructure.  It is this mind numbing oversimplification by the media which I think Gator alludes, and Bob is always our canary in the mine.......he sucks in the media explanation, and falls over in his burglar barred cage.....while the rest of us go.....no Bob....investment in American infrastructure is not European socialism.....wake up....snap out of it.

2seaoat wrote: Bob calls him a European Socialists which is absurd, and in fact he sounds more like a traditional Republican...
Bob is always our canary in the mine.......he sucks in the media explanation, and falls over in his burglar barred cage.....while the rest of us go.....no Bob....investment in American infrastructure is not European socialism.....wake up....snap out of it.

2seaoat wrote:the democrats will take back the congress, then I guess anything could happen. lol


Congress Bob is two chambers.  One is called the house.  One is called the senate.  I have said the Democrats will win back the Senate in 2016 on the same structural election cycle which favored the Republicans in 2014.  In regard to the House I said they would gain seats back but I never said they would take back the House......our new Mr. Markle.....the master of deception.

why America should be trying to emulate Northern European countries rather than belittle them.

Bob, you do understand that the process of emulation does not magically convert an individual into that which they seek to emulate.  Bernie Sanders is NOT a European Socialist.  He is an American socialist.  You attempt to emulate Dirty Harry.  You are not Dirty Harry.  A child emulates Magic Johnson but that does not make him magic johnson.   Democratic socialism has certain tenets, but there is no monolithic party to which Senator Sanders belongs......He is NOT a European socialist.  He believes that some of those tenets are the best policy for America.  I agree in part and disagree in part and hope he can advance those tenets which will be beneficial to America.  Specifically, Medicare for all.  Is this Republican now a European Socialist because I want the burden of health care taken off the private sector business community and placed where it belongs?

Bob wrote:What's "well stated" about it?

Firstly,  Senator Sanders in one of his first interviews after he announced his candidacy said very clearly that he is a proponent of northern european socialism.  And when questioned about it then said "what's wrong with that"?

Sanders went on to defend democratic socialism and explain, in detail, why America should be trying to emulate Northern European countries rather than belittle them. The ABC host and former Bill Clinton advisor tried to pin the Vermont senator down, musing aloud, “I can hear the Republican attack ad now: [Sanders] wants America to look like Scandinavia,” to which Sanders deadpanned in response, “That’s right. And what’s wrong with that?”


Now I'm totally confused! Not about my enthusiasm for Sanders as a presidential candidate ... but about the shifts in this debate. Sanders did indeed say he liked "Northern European Socialism." And he's an independent running on the democratic ticket.

Seaoat doesn't mean Sanders is a republican, but that Sanders is advocating things that moderate republicans also advocate ... I think.

I'm going to go pick-up my riding mower from the shop.

As for myself, I'm delighted to have a candidate to root for whom I believe in and trust in every way. Go Bernie!!

http://www.alternet.org/dont-underestimate-me-after-shocking-fundraising-totals-bernie-sanders-defends-european-style

Seaoat,  on the other hand,  characterizes Sanders as being more like a "traditional republican".

So which is more well-stated?  Sanders' own words?  Or Seaoat's interpretation of that being "traditional republican"?  lol

Besides,  it was me who presented the argument that some of these northern european countries are better places to live than the U.S. and have better fiscal policies than the U.S.  So maybe Sanders is correct about this.Sanders aint no "traditional republican" and seaoat aint stating stuff very well.  lol

Wordslinger wrote:

Seaoat doesn't mean Sanders is a republican, but that Sanders is advocating things that moderate republicans also advocate ... I think.

Floridatexan wrote:
"Many years ago I pitched a magazine editor on a story about Bernie Sanders, then a congressman from Vermont, who'd agreed to something extraordinary – he agreed to let me, a reporter, stick next to him without restrictions over the course of a month in congress.

"People need to know how this place works. It's absurd," he'd said. (Bernie often uses the word absurd, his Brooklyn roots coming through in his pronunciation – ob-zert.)

Bernie wasn't quite so famous at the time and the editor scratched his head. "Bernie Sanders," he said. "That's the one who cares, right?"

"Right, that's the guy," I said.

I got the go-ahead and the resulting story was a wild journey through the tortuous bureaucratic maze of our national legislature. I didn't write this at the time, but I was struck every day by what a strange and interesting figure Sanders was.

Many of the battles he brought me along to witness, he lost. And no normal politician would be comfortable with the optics of bringing a Rolling Stone reporter to a Rules Committee hearing.

But Sanders genuinely, sincerely, does not care about optics. He is the rarest of Washington animals, a completely honest person. If he's motivated by anything other than a desire to use his influence to protect people who can't protect themselves, I've never seen it. Bernie Sanders is the kind of person who goes to bed at night thinking about how to increase the heating-oil aid program for the poor..."

Bob wrote:Speaking of a comparison between the united states and northern europe.

Which do you think is better?

1.  A presidential election which goes on forever and has fat cats from both political parties contributing billions of dollars to the campaigns trying to buy the election?  

or

2.  This...

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-05-14/opinion/ct-oped-0514-british-20100514_1_campaign-spending-candidates-election-day

Floridatexan wrote:

Bob wrote:Speaking of a comparison between the united states and northern europe.

Which do you think is better?

1.  A presidential election which goes on forever and has fat cats from both political parties contributing billions of dollars to the campaigns trying to buy the election?  

or

2.  This...

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-05-14/opinion/ct-oped-0514-british-20100514_1_campaign-spending-candidates-election-day

We need a constitutional amendment to overturn the SCOTUS decisions.

ppaca wrote:

Markle wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:My socialism and that of Bernie Sanders are identical.  We're fascist corporatisms worst nightmare.  We believe America should be a true, representative government, not one owned by the ultra rich.

Check out Mr. Sander's beliefs and the amount of money he's already raised from WE THE PEOPLE!

http://www.alternet.org/dont-underestimate-me-after-shocking-fundraising-totals-bernie-sanders-defends-european-style

Who could make this up?

A Socialist/Communist, supporting a Socialist/Communist website...who is supporting a Socialist Communist.

You're a great foil!

Just exactly when did you realize the butter slipped of your noodle and the elevator doesn't go all the way to the top? I suggest you compare the difference's between socialism and communism.

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism

Bob wrote:Speaking of a comparison between the united states and northern europe.

Which do you think is better?

1.  A presidential election which goes on forever and has fat cats from both political parties contributing billions of dollars to the campaigns trying to buy the election?  

or

2.  This...

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-05-14/opinion/ct-oped-0514-british-20100514_1_campaign-spending-candidates-election-day

Markle wrote:

Bob wrote:Speaking of a comparison between the united states and northern europe.

Which do you think is better?

1.  A presidential election which goes on forever and has fat cats from both political parties contributing billions of dollars to the campaigns trying to buy the election?  

or

2.  This...

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-05-14/opinion/ct-oped-0514-british-20100514_1_campaign-spending-candidates-election-day

It is called Freedom and Liberty.

Markle wrote:

Bob wrote:Speaking of a comparison between the united states and northern europe.

Which do you think is better?

1.  A presidential election which goes on forever and has fat cats from both political parties contributing billions of dollars to the campaigns trying to buy the election?  

or

2.  This...

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-05-14/opinion/ct-oped-0514-british-20100514_1_campaign-spending-candidates-election-day

It is called Freedom and Liberty.