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For the GOP, ‘one man, one vote’ becomes ‘one billionaire, one ballot’

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The Republican presidential candidates are set to crucify each other on crosses of gold.

GOP leaders exulted a few years ago when the Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling and other decisions invited the rich to pour unlimited sums into political campaigns — and they are, by the billions of dollars.

But the Law of Unintended Consequences frequently rules the practice of politics, and it has once again. Republican candidates are hauling in so much money that the flood of cash has washed away the Darwinian system of natural selection that previously allowed parties to pick their nominees.

In the past, there was a money primary: If candidates polled poorly, their fundraising would dry up and they’d have to drop out of the race. But such market principles no longer apply, because a large number of inviable candidates are artificially subsidized — kept in the race by a beneficent billionaire, or even a friendly multimillionaire or two. With no easy way to push weak candidates from the race, Republicans are being hoist by their own gilded petard.

My Post colleagues Matea Gold and Ed O’Keefe reported Monday that no fewer than 15 White House hopefuls are being assisted by outside groups typically formed as “super PACs” and run by the candidate’s allies. For the first time in the modern political era, political operatives say it’s possible the eventual nominee need not win in either Iowa or New Hampshire.

Still-undeclared candidate Jeb Bush, who is on course to haul in $100 million by the end of next month, boasted to donors Sunday night that his fundraising has been historic (so good that his too-successful super PAC temporarily limited contributions to $1 million). But Bush’s take, Gold and O’Keefe noted, hasn’t stopped groups from raising, in short order, $20 million or $30 million apiece for Ted Cruz, Scott Walker and Marco Rubio. With that kind of money available, you’re unlikely to quit even if you’re an asterisk in the polls.

The outright acquisition of the primary process by the wealthy is the latest instance of the 1 percent taking over the American political system – although in this case it’s more likely the top 1 percent of the top 1 percent. As the Center for Responsive Politics notes, the top 1 percent of donors to super PACS (about 100 people and their spouses) contributed 67 percent of super-PAC funds in 2012.

Fred Wertheimer, a campaign-finance reformer who runs the group Democracy 21, predicts that, for the first time, spending by super PACs will exceed spending by candidates and parties combined in the 2016 presidential campaign, which is expected to cost some $5 billion.

In the 2012 primary, billionaire Sheldon Adelson’s money kept Newt Gingrich in the race long after he was a viable candidate (if he ever was). But if billionaires reached the moon in 2012, “this election will take us to Mars,” Wertheimer says. “We have a political system that is pre-Watergate and allows relatively few people to keep candidates in the race for extended periods of time. It’s going to create artificial candidates. . . . It’s going to open the door for influence-buying and corruption, and we have the Supreme Court to thank for that.”

Technically, candidates can’t coordinate with their super PACs, but the restriction is all but ignored. Bush is reportedly planning to use his super PAC to conduct operations that had traditionally been handled by candidate campaigns.

The Wild West nature of campaign finance would undoubtedly have a similar effect on the Democratic side if Hillary Clinton were facing a serious challenge. As it is, the anything-goes fundraising of Clinton and her husband has become a problem for the Democratic front-runner.

In recent days, her campaign has been dogged by reports that the Clinton Foundation took money from foreign governments and entities that stood to benefit from decisions made by Hillary Clinton’s State Department. The foundation admits it didn’t account for the contributions properly in tax filings. And, as The Post’s Rosalind Helderman reported, many donors to the foundation also paid Bill Clinton to give speeches — enriching the Clintons personally.

But Republicans, before they can exploit Hillary Clinton’s financial vulnerabilities in the general election, have to resolve a predicament in their primaries that once would have seemed enviable: Is it possible to raise too much money? As the likes of the Kochs and Adelsons sponsor candidates the way Medicis patronized Renaissance artists, there’s a real chance voters, particularly in early primary states, will lose their traditional ability to shape the field.

Thanks to the Roberts court, the sacred concept of one man, one vote has been replaced by a new reality: one billionaire, one ballot.


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If you had titled your thread honestly it would include Democrats. Big money from big donors go to both liberal and conservative PACs. Unabashed bias is your strong suit.

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gatorfan wrote:If you had titled your thread honestly it would include Democrats. Big money from big donors go to both liberal and conservative PACs. Unabashed bias is your strong suit.


Democrats and republicans aren't even in the same time zone with respect to super PAC and dark money funding. Further, who is it that is calling for a reversal of Citizens United? Who is it that is calling for an end to unlimited money in politics? It's the democrats. And who is opposing all of that? Republicans.

You do acknowledge that republican super PAC and dark money dwarfs that of democrats, right?

You do acknowledge that it is the democrats who are calling for an end to this, right?

You do acknowledge that it is the republicans who not only brought us here by way of the Citizens United decision, but who wish to keep us here, right?

Saying "both sides do it" in the discussion of unlimited campaign finance is flat out idiotic. And that is putting it nicely.


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boards of FL wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/for-the-gop-one-man-one-vote-becomes-one-billionaire-one-ballot/2015/04/27/d6a35aa4-ed0d-11e4-8abc-d6aa3bad79dd_story.html?tid=rssfeed


The Republican presidential candidates are set to crucify each other on crosses of gold.

GOP leaders exulted a few years ago when the Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling and other decisions invited the rich to pour unlimited sums into political campaigns — and they are, by the billions of dollars.

But the Law of Unintended Consequences frequently rules the practice of politics, and it has once again. Republican candidates are hauling in so much money that the flood of cash has washed away the Darwinian system of natural selection that previously allowed parties to pick their nominees.

In the past, there was a money primary: If candidates polled poorly, their fundraising would dry up and they’d have to drop out of the race. But such market principles no longer apply, because a large number of inviable candidates are artificially subsidized — kept in the race by a beneficent billionaire, or even a friendly multimillionaire or two. With no easy way to push weak candidates from the race, Republicans are being hoist by their own gilded petard.

My Post colleagues Matea Gold and Ed O’Keefe reported Monday that no fewer than 15 White House hopefuls are being assisted by outside groups typically formed as “super PACs” and run by the candidate’s allies. For the first time in the modern political era, political operatives say it’s possible the eventual nominee need not win in either Iowa or New Hampshire.

Still-undeclared candidate Jeb Bush, who is on course to haul in $100 million by the end of next month, boasted to donors Sunday night that his fundraising has been historic (so good that his too-successful super PAC temporarily limited contributions to $1 million). But Bush’s take, Gold and O’Keefe noted, hasn’t stopped groups from raising, in short order, $20 million or $30 million apiece for Ted Cruz, Scott Walker and Marco Rubio. With that kind of money available, you’re unlikely to quit even if you’re an asterisk in the polls.

The outright acquisition of the primary process by the wealthy is the latest instance of the 1 percent taking over the American political system – although in this case it’s more likely the top 1 percent of the top 1 percent. As the Center for Responsive Politics notes, the top 1 percent of donors to super PACS (about 100 people and their spouses) contributed 67 percent of super-PAC funds in 2012.

Fred Wertheimer, a campaign-finance reformer who runs the group Democracy 21, predicts that, for the first time, spending by super PACs will exceed spending by candidates and parties combined in the 2016 presidential campaign, which is expected to cost some $5 billion.

In the 2012 primary, billionaire Sheldon Adelson’s money kept Newt Gingrich in the race long after he was a viable candidate (if he ever was). But if billionaires reached the moon in 2012, “this election will take us to Mars,” Wertheimer says. “We have a political system that is pre-Watergate and allows relatively few people to keep candidates in the race for extended periods of time. It’s going to create artificial candidates. . . . It’s going to open the door for influence-buying and corruption, and we have the Supreme Court to thank for that.”

Technically, candidates can’t coordinate with their super PACs, but the restriction is all but ignored. Bush is reportedly planning to use his super PAC to conduct operations that had traditionally been handled by candidate campaigns.

The Wild West nature of campaign finance would undoubtedly have a similar effect on the Democratic side if Hillary Clinton were facing a serious challenge. As it is, the anything-goes fundraising of Clinton and her husband has become a problem for the Democratic front-runner.

In recent days, her campaign has been dogged by reports that the Clinton Foundation took money from foreign governments and entities that stood to benefit from decisions made by Hillary Clinton’s State Department. The foundation admits it didn’t account for the contributions properly in tax filings. And, as The Post’s Rosalind Helderman reported, many donors to the foundation also paid Bill Clinton to give speeches — enriching the Clintons personally.

But Republicans, before they can exploit Hillary Clinton’s financial vulnerabilities in the general election, have to resolve a predicament in their primaries that once would have seemed enviable: Is it possible to raise too much money? As the likes of the Kochs and Adelsons sponsor candidates the way Medicis patronized Renaissance artists, there’s a real chance voters, particularly in early primary states, will lose their traditional ability to shape the field.

Thanks to the Roberts court, the sacred concept of one man, one vote has been replaced by a new reality: one billionaire, one ballot.

Seems like HIllary teams with Soros and Co does that very same thing hypocrite.

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boards of FL wrote:
gatorfan wrote:If you had titled your thread honestly it would include Democrats. Big money from big donors go to both liberal and conservative PACs. Unabashed bias is your strong suit.


Democrats and republicans aren't even in the same time zone with respect to super PAC and dark money funding.  Further, who is it that is calling for a reversal of Citizens United?  Who is it that is calling for an end to unlimited money in politics?  It's the democrats.  And who is opposing all of that?  Republicans.

You do acknowledge that republican super PAC and dark money dwarfs that of democrats, right?

You do acknowledge that it is the democrats who are calling for an end to this, right?

You do acknowledge that it is the republicans who not only brought us here by way of the Citizens United decision, but who wish to keep us here, right?

Saying "both sides do it" in the discussion of unlimited campaign finance is flat out idiotic.   And that is putting it nicely.

Putting it nicely, it's idiotic to explain away "they did it more" when, for example, in the 2014 cycle Republican groups spent $1.75B - vs - $1.64B for Democrats. Sure the Dems spent a "few" million less but then the wild card in 2014 is the Republican side had more seats to chase/protect.

I agree the R's are blocking whatever they can to prevent overturning Citizens and the last effort I recall was a majority of Dems voted to amend it.

Good, I congratulate the Dems and condemn the R's.

Unlike you I have no party bias and call it like I see it.

Both groups take whatever money they can get regardless of what the politicians are saying publicly.

Do you deny that?

boards of FL

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gatorfan wrote:Putting it nicely, it's idiotic to explain away "they did it more" when, for example, in the 2014 cycle Republican groups spent $1.75B - vs - $1.64B for Democrats


Where are you getting these numbers?


gatorfan wrote:I agree the R's are blocking whatever they can to prevent overturning Citizens and the last effort I recall was a majority of Dems voted to amend it.


So how do you rationalize the "Both sides do it!" argument when you do appear to concede the fact that democrats are pushing to resolve this issue whereas it is republicans who 1) created the issue and 2) are protecting it.

The very reason that we have this issue is because of republicans, and yet you're somehow able to spread that blame in your mind. How?


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boards of FL wrote:
gatorfan wrote:Putting it nicely, it's idiotic to explain away "they did it more" when, for example, in the 2014 cycle Republican groups spent $1.75B - vs - $1.64B for Democrats


Where are you getting these numbers?

You really need to do some research BEFORE you post.

How much money has your hero, Hillary Clinton, promised to spend to buy the Oval Office in 2016?

If you cannot answer off the top of your head, you are sadly misinformed, as usual.

What President first stated that they would circumvent financial election laws so they could collect and spend as much as they could?

Step up BoardsofFL, here's your big chance!

boards of FL

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Markle wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
gatorfan wrote:Putting it nicely, it's idiotic to explain away "they did it more" when, for example, in the 2014 cycle Republican groups spent $1.75B - vs - $1.64B for Democrats


Where are you getting these numbers?

You really need to do some research BEFORE you post.

How much money has your hero, Hillary Clinton, promised to spend to buy the Oval Office in 2016?


I have no idea.  And even if I did, that would be irrelevant seeing as how this thread is about outside super PAC spending, not money raised and spent by the candidates.


Markle wrote:Step up BoardsofFL, here's your big chance!


Big chance for what?  One more chance to point out the fact that you can't seem to respond directly to anything ever?

One has to wonder about your reading comprehension.

(Markle reads an article about outside super PAC spending)

(Markle sees discussion about outside super PAC spending)

(Markle decides to respond)

Ah ha! Now I've got ya! How much money is Hilary Clinton going to internally raise and spend! Boyah!!


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Now who is avoiding the question?

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boards of FL wrote:
gatorfan wrote:Putting it nicely, it's idiotic to explain away "they did it more" when, for example, in the 2014 cycle Republican groups spent $1.75B - vs - $1.64B for Democrats


Where are you getting these numbers?


gatorfan wrote:I agree the R's are blocking whatever they can to prevent overturning Citizens and the last effort I recall was a majority of Dems voted to amend it.


So how do you rationalize the "Both sides do it!" argument when you do appear to concede the fact that democrats are pushing to resolve this issue whereas it is republicans who 1) created the issue and 2) are protecting it.

The very reason that we have this issue is because of republicans, and yet you're somehow able to spread that blame in your mind.  How?

Try to keep up and on the subject. It was obvious in my response I was referring to PACs - not the politicians. The PACs are different entities, remember?

I’ll even repeat it for you:

“Both groups take whatever money they can get regardless of what the politicians are saying publicly.”

The original figures came from Politifact.

Do you deny that liberal leaning PACs take in "dark" money too?

Markle

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boards of FL wrote:
Markle wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
gatorfan wrote:Putting it nicely, it's idiotic to explain away "they did it more" when, for example, in the 2014 cycle Republican groups spent $1.75B - vs - $1.64B for Democrats


Where are you getting these numbers?

You really need to do some research BEFORE you post.

How much money has your hero, Hillary Clinton, promised to spend to buy the Oval Office in 2016?


I have no idea.
 And even if I did, that would be irrelevant seeing as how this thread is about outside super PAC spending, not money raised and spent by the candidates.

Markle wrote:Step up BoardsofFL, here's your big chance!

Big chance for what?  One more chance to point out the fact that you can't seem to respond directly to anything ever?

One has to wonder about your reading comprehension.  

(Markle reads an article about outside super PAC spending)

(Markle sees discussion about outside super PAC spending)

(Markle decides to respond)

Ah ha!  Now I've got ya!  How much money is Hilary Clinton going to internally raise and spend!  Boyah!!

Please, now is your chance.  We see you have NOTHING!  I asked simple questions for simple answers.

Here, try again.  Or are you dodging the questions?  Afraid to answer.  Afraid to find out?  Just plain afraid of the FACTS?

You really need to do some research BEFORE you post.

How much money has your hero, Hillary Clinton, promised to spend to buy the Oval Office in 2016?

If you cannot answer off the top of your head, you are sadly misinformed, as usual.

What President first stated that they would circumvent financial election laws so they could collect and spend as much as they could?

Step up BoardsofFL, here's your big chance!

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Markle wrote:How much money has your hero, Hillary Clinton, promised to spend to buy the Oval Office in 2016?

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boards of FL

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Markle wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
Markle wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
gatorfan wrote:Putting it nicely, it's idiotic to explain away "they did it more" when, for example, in the 2014 cycle Republican groups spent $1.75B - vs - $1.64B for Democrats


Where are you getting these numbers?

You really need to do some research BEFORE you post.

How much money has your hero, Hillary Clinton, promised to spend to buy the Oval Office in 2016?


I have no idea.
 And even if I did, that would be irrelevant seeing as how this thread is about outside super PAC spending, not money raised and spent by the candidates.

Markle wrote:Step up BoardsofFL, here's your big chance!

Big chance for what?  One more chance to point out the fact that you can't seem to respond directly to anything ever?

One has to wonder about your reading comprehension.  

(Markle reads an article about outside super PAC spending)

(Markle sees discussion about outside super PAC spending)

(Markle decides to respond)

Ah ha!  Now I've got ya!  How much money is Hilary Clinton going to internally raise and spend!  Boyah!!

Please, now is your chance.  We see you have NOTHING!  I asked simple questions for simple answers.

Here, try again.  Or are you dodging the questions?  Afraid to answer.  Afraid to find out?  Just plain afraid of the FACTS?

You really need to do some research BEFORE you post.

How much money has your hero, Hillary Clinton, promised to spend to buy the Oval Office in 2016?

If you cannot answer off the top of your head, you are sadly misinformed, as usual.

What President first stated that they would circumvent financial election laws so they could collect and spend as much as they could?

Step up BoardsofFL, here's your big chance!


I just answered you.  I have no idea how much money Hilary Clinton previously pledged to spend.  That said, feel free to answer your own question for everyone.

That said, any amounts of money that Hilary plans to spend are irrelevant here as this thread is about outside super PAC spending.

I feel the need to restate that as you didn't pick up on this from 1) reading the article, 2) reading through this thread, or 3) me openly stating as much.

So, one more time for Markle:

1) I don't know how much money Clinton previously said she plans to spend in the upcoming election.

2) This thread isn't about direct campaign spending.  It is about outside super PAC spending.


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gatorfan wrote:
boards of FL wrote:
gatorfan wrote:Putting it nicely, it's idiotic to explain away "they did it more" when, for example, in the 2014 cycle Republican groups spent $1.75B - vs - $1.64B for Democrats


Where are you getting these numbers?


gatorfan wrote:I agree the R's are blocking whatever they can to prevent overturning Citizens and the last effort I recall was a majority of Dems voted to amend it.


So how do you rationalize the "Both sides do it!" argument when you do appear to concede the fact that democrats are pushing to resolve this issue whereas it is republicans who 1) created the issue and 2) are protecting it.

The very reason that we have this issue is because of republicans, and yet you're somehow able to spread that blame in your mind.  How?

Try to keep up and on the subject. It was obvious in my response I was referring to PACs - not the politicians. The PACs are different entities, remember?

I’ll even repeat it for you:

“Both groups take whatever money they can get regardless of what the politicians are saying publicly.”

The original figures came from Politifact.

Do you deny that liberal leaning PACs take in "dark" money too?


Of course we're talking about PAC spending, and I have no idea why you felt the need to reiterate that, but OK.

Do you have a link to the PolitiFact figures?  Generally when someone on the internet asks you for a source, they're asking you for a link to your source.


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