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Paul Ryan puts on a mask that doesn't fit

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othershoe1030
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Floridatexan

Floridatexan


http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/paul-ryan-puts-mask-doesnt-fit?CID=sm_fb_maddow

"After a few decades of failed economic predictions, the Republican message machine has run into some trouble. GOP officials were absolutely certain the combination of the Affordable Care Act, higher taxes on the wealthy, and federal regulations would stifle the economy, and when the exact opposite happened, Republicans were left, well, stuck.

Left with limited options, the right has decided it now cares deeply about economic inequality. Up until very recently, the GOP condemned even factual acknowledgements of the phenomenon – to even notice the problem was “class warfare” – but Republicans at every level have nevertheless decided that the concentration of wealth at the top deserves their attention.

Indeed, it’s the go-to rejoinder to economic optimism from the White House. “Sure,” the GOP says, “unemployment is down and growth is up, but it doesn’t really count if only ‘job creators’ are enjoying the real prosperity.”

To be sure, the underlying problem is real. But as a political matter, Republicans are the absolute last group of people who should be casting blame in a debate about economic inequalities. They are, after all, the ones who (a) helped create this mess; (b) denied its existence; and (c) refuse to consider any measures that might improve the conditions they’re now complaining about. Watching Republicans push their new talking point is like watching someone put on a mask that doesn’t fit...

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Ryan doesn’t remember taking credit for the sequestration policy he later condemned.

Ryan doesn’t remember learning about Democratic alternatives to the sequester.

Ryan doesn’t remember what happened with the 2011 “super committee.”

Ryan doesn’t remember Bill Clinton’s tax increases.

Ryan doesn’t remember the times he condemned social-insurance programs as “taker” programs.

Ryan doesn’t remember all of the times he appealed to the Obama administration for stimulus funds for his congressional district.

Ryan doesn’t remember his marathon times.

Ryan doesn’t remember how much he was inspired by Ayn Rand.

Ryan doesn’t remember his own speeches.

Ryan doesn’t remember spending cuts that he helped author.

Ryan doesn’t remember who killed immigration reform in the last Congress.

And now he can’t even recall what ”trickle-down economics” means? As we’ve discussed, everyone can be forgetful once in a while, but the Republican Budget Committee chairman seems to forget rather important details and developments so often, it’s unsettling.

Unless, of course, his memory is fine and Ryan is simply prefers near-constant efforts to mislead the public. That couldn’t be, could it?"

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

The GOP taking up the income-inequality cause is akin to a vegetarian becoming a food critic of America’s best steakhouses. You can certainly do it – but it’s not necessarily your strong suit. Plus, it’s QUITE the transition.


After decades of being the champions of those who already have it all I still feel as if there is something wrong with the audio on my TV when I hear R's claiming to be worried about the income/wealth gap which they helped to create through tax policies that tilted heavily toward benefiting the well to do.

Are they suffering from an identity crises? Have they forsaken former positions? Have they seen the light (just kidding on that one)? Do they think their base will go for this?

Guest


Guest

othershoe1030 wrote:The GOP taking up the income-inequality cause is akin to a vegetarian becoming a food critic of America’s best steakhouses. You can certainly do it – but it’s not necessarily your strong suit. Plus, it’s QUITE the transition.


After decades of being the champions of those who already have it all I still feel as if there is something wrong with the audio on my TV when I hear R's claiming to be worried about the income/wealth gap which they helped to create through tax policies that tilted heavily toward benefiting the well to do.

Are they suffering from an identity crises? Have they forsaken former positions? Have they seen the light (just kidding on that one)? Do they think their base will go for this?

Paul Ryan puts on a mask that doesn't fit Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTLk3Iue-NBwN3ZoutVKbmLVP_8kul6E-PtinNhzTL8DosTTegL

How much of that $4 trillion budget that your blood soaked Nobel Champion Of Peace wants is going to line the pockets of the extremely rich?

At $100-$200 million a shot for CEO bonuses it doesn't take long to add up to billions of dollars.

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gatorfan



othershoe1030 wrote:I hear R's claiming to be worried about the income/wealth gap which they helped to create through tax policies that tilted heavily toward benefiting the well to do.

That's too funny. Both the D's and R's hands are dirty. What has the Democratic party done to reform the broken tax code and place more of a burden on the "rich". Nothing.

Sure, now after over 6 years Obama is making noises about the wealth gap but what has he done before? Nothing. His concern for the middle class comes a little late and smells like posturing to make an impression on low information voters prior to 2016.

Hillary Clinton is more closely tied to Wall Street and big banking interests than you Dem's want to admit. Because you would be admitting the truth - there is no difference between politicians of either party.

All politicians are tied to big money and that will never change until someone grows some spine and pushes through real campaign finance reform.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


The two parties are not equivalent.

KarlRove

KarlRove

Sure they are.... Both represent the rich

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

gatorfan wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:I hear R's claiming to be worried about the income/wealth gap which they helped to create through tax policies that tilted heavily toward benefiting the well to do.

That's too funny. Both the D's and R's hands are dirty. What has the Democratic party done to reform the broken tax code and place more of a burden on the "rich". Nothing.

Sure, now after over 6 years Obama is making noises about the wealth gap but what has he done before? Nothing. His concern for the middle class comes a little late and smells like posturing to make an impression on low information voters prior to 2016.

Hillary Clinton is more closely tied to Wall Street and big banking interests than you Dem's want to admit. Because you would be admitting the truth - there is no difference between politicians of either party.

All politicians are tied to big money and that will never change until someone grows some spine and pushes through real campaign finance reform.

The passage of the Dodd-Frank Bill comes to mind. While it could have been stronger it was a step in the right direction. The ACA also helped many people who for one reason or another were not covered by health insurance.

No one is saying the dems are perfect but their overall record on sticking up for the best interests of the middle class and working class people I believe is head and shoulders above the record of the R's. To say they have done nothing is quite an exaggeration. Maybe you could post a list of all the bills the R's have passed that have or will benefit the middle class working people? 

Sal

Sal

Floridatexan wrote:
Republicans at every level have nevertheless decided that the concentration of wealth at the top deserves their attention.

This is a testament to the effectiveness of Elizabeth Warren and the strength of her message.

She has changed the conversation.

She needs to stay in Congress and continue her good work.

2seaoat



If every American Politician was working to improve the median income of ALL Americans, we would have a starting point.

gatorfan



2seaoat wrote:If every American Politician was working to improve the median income of ALL Americans, we would have a starting point.

The problem is neither side wants work with the other and President "I'm going to veto that" isn't helping either.

Floridatexan

Floridatexan

gatorfan wrote:
2seaoat wrote:If every American Politician was working to improve the median income of ALL Americans, we would have a starting point.

The problem is neither side wants work with the other and President "I'm going to veto that" isn't helping either.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/17/us/politics/17mcconnell.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Senate G.O.P. Leader Finds Weapon in Unity

By CARL HULSE and ADAM NAGOURNEY
Published: March 16, 2010


WASHINGTON — Before the health care fight, before the economic stimulus package, before President Obama even took office, Senator Mitch McConnell, the Republican minority leader, had a strategy for his party: use his extensive knowledge of Senate procedure to slow things down, take advantage of the difficulties Democrats would have in governing and deny Democrats any Republican support on big legislation.[

Sal

Sal

President Obama has vetoed two bills in six years.

Yeah, he's the obstructionist.

Rolling Eyes

2seaoat



President Obama has vetoed two bills in six years.

Yeah, he's the obstructionist.


It is like Orwellian doublethink. He has historic low vetoes, yet it is argued that the President has obstructed. The truth is that he is closer to a moderate Republican, and that his own Democratic Party has parted with him on many issues because he has always been too willing to compromise on issues his fellow Democrats believe should be in a lockbox. The propoganda and lies have just been so massive that people have been lulled into a sleep state, and begin parroting.....Obama is obstructing......it is insane how effective Orwellian techniques have worked.

Guest


Guest

Pubs have been able to advance a bill to the presidents desk for twenty days... lol.

Guest


Guest

othershoe1030 wrote:
gatorfan wrote:
othershoe1030 wrote:I hear R's claiming to be worried about the income/wealth gap which they helped to create through tax policies that tilted heavily toward benefiting the well to do.

That's too funny. Both the D's and R's hands are dirty. What has the Democratic party done to reform the broken tax code and place more of a burden on the "rich". Nothing.

Sure, now after over 6 years Obama is making noises about the wealth gap but what has he done before? Nothing. His concern for the middle class comes a little late and smells like posturing to make an impression on low information voters prior to 2016.

Hillary Clinton is more closely tied to Wall Street and big banking interests than you Dem's want to admit. Because you would be admitting the truth - there is no difference between politicians of either party.

All politicians are tied to big money and that will never change until someone grows some spine and pushes through real campaign finance reform.

The passage of the Dodd-Frank Bill comes to mind. While it could have been stronger it was a step in the right direction. The ACA also helped many people who for one reason or another were not covered by health insurance.[/color]


Yes it has helped a lot of the people at the top of the health care industry.

I'm sure they're laughing all the way to the bank as they cash those multi-million dollar bonus checks as their profits go up due to the government mandates requiring people to purchase health care from a private company... All thanks to the Democratic Congress and Democratic president that got it done so they could read what they passed after they signed the legislation.


othershoe1030 wrote:No one is saying the dems are perfect but their overall record on sticking up for the best interests of the middle class and working class people I believe is head and shoulders above the record of the R's.


(See above response)


othershoe1030 wrote:To say they have done nothing is quite an exaggeration. Maybe you could post a list of all the bills the R's have passed that have or will benefit the middle class working people? 


Paul Ryan puts on a mask that doesn't fit Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT3eJE-KHzXQwTt1XpH25OqOLj2AX4bMAAX82AD3Bu9A8oV0KDA

You were saying something about the Democrats having passed something to help the middle class... What was it again?

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