Torture Report Released ....

KarlRove wrote:You would be surprised what a ride on a C130 at low altitude can do to one of the dirka dirkas.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

gatorfan wrote:I believe you have just proven that you are in fact the same person as BoF.

And you just confirmed that you're an idiot.

Naw I think Sal and BOF were joined at the head at birth and after the operation only one of them got the brain.....

gatorfan wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

gatorfan wrote:I believe you have just proven that you are in fact the same person as BoF.

And you just confirmed that you're an idiot.

And you just confirmed you are the King Idiot on this increasingly boring forum. I have yet to see any difference between you and Sal. Then again maybe D/E was right in another thread and you are just butt buddies.

As if it matters since one would never see a meaningful post by someone named "Sal" or BoF".

boards of FL wrote:

gatorfan wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

gatorfan wrote:I believe you have just proven that you are in fact the same person as BoF.

And you just confirmed that you're an idiot.

And you just confirmed you are the King Idiot on this increasingly boring forum. I have yet to see any difference between you and Sal. Then again maybe D/E was right in another thread and you are just butt buddies.

As if it matters since one would never see a meaningful post by someone named "Sal" or BoF".

What would I have to be butthurt about?  The fact that people like Markle and PkrBum are regularly at a loss for words in political discussion is no cause for me to be butthurt.  In fact, it is quite the contrary.  It's hilarious!

2seaoat wrote:So you are for killing kids of terrorists who are American citizens without one ounce of due process?

Al- Alwaki nuf said 17 years old

I think the first thing I would do with a Republican Senate is hold that hearing.  Which is exactly what the President wants.   You do understand the difference between a game of chess and checkers.  The trojan horse awaits entry into the kingdom of the entrenched MIC.........and you think this release of information is not inviting that the disclosures continue in all areas of policy........good things will happen when our leaders are accountable to the American people for their conduct and the conduct of those who serve them.   We however must be very careful not to make the mistakes of the Church committee so many years ago, and to make the CIA accountable is quite a different animal from understanding that they have a very difficult mission which is very necessary for our survival as a nation state.

Wordslinger wrote:

KarlRove wrote:You would be surprised what a ride on a C130 at low altitude can do to one of the dirka dirkas.

How very Christian of you.  I know Jesus approved of you brave, valiant, freedom loving soldier boys torturing captives.

Right?

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

KarlRove wrote:I'd say more but I won't.  Lol. Imagine a former goatherder getting cuffed and stuffed for his RTB trip after getting rolled up.

Be sure to mention that one to your liberal hippy friend jesus when you're having your nightly auditory hallucination conversation in which you ask him for stuff.  I'm sure he would get a kick out of that.  Well, based on what I have read about him, at least.

Again... is killing the person the moral high ground?

Because that's the obama policy... and would make interesting hearings... particularly the american citizens.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, however heinous the current policy may be, it is still the lesser of the two evils.  The republican policy is worse.  Much much worse.  I'd rather vote for the electable candidate and deal with a lesser of two evils than throw away my vote and deal with the worst.

KarlRove wrote:

Wordslinger wrote:

KarlRove wrote:You would be surprised what a ride on a C130 at low altitude can do to one of the dirka dirkas.

How very Christian of you.  I know Jesus approved of you brave, valiant, freedom loving soldier boys torturing captives.

Right?

Guess I will find out one day. Until then, it is what it is.....even King David was forgiven for what he did as a soldier.

PkrBum wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

KarlRove wrote:I'd say more but I won't.  Lol. Imagine a former goatherder getting cuffed and stuffed for his RTB trip after getting rolled up.

Be sure to mention that one to your liberal hippy friend jesus when you're having your nightly auditory hallucination conversation in which you ask him for stuff.  I'm sure he would get a kick out of that.  Well, based on what I have read about him, at least.

Again... is killing the person the moral high ground?

Because that's the obama policy... and would make interesting hearings... particularly the american citizens.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, however heinous the current policy may be, it is still the lesser of the two evils.  The republican policy is worse.  Much much worse.  I'd rather vote for the electable candidate and deal with a lesser of two evils than throw away my vote and deal with the worst.

That means you're morally and ethically biased. I wouldn't trust you to call a coin flip.

No it doesn't. You're just stupid.

The people who brought down one of the flights on 9/11 weren't morally and ethically biased. Sure, they killed everyone on their flight, but they also saved whoever would have been killed had the terrorists been able to complete their mission. Lesser of two evils. Neither outcome is optimal, but lesser of two evils.

If a train is speeding out of control down the tracks and I have the option to divert it towards a school bus with 10 kids on board or else it will instead crash into a building killing hundreds, I'll suck it up and divert it towards the school bus. Here again, lesser of two evils. Neither outcome is optimal, but lesser of two evils.

I live in the real world where "results matter", as you like to say. I don't subscribe to ideologies that are hundreds of years old and yet have never actually been employed in a working societal model. Libertarians are overwhelmingly male, overwhelmingly white, overwhelmingly very young, and overwhelmingly undereducated.  I suspect you meet all of those criteria, save for the young part.  Most grow out of that with age, though some experience a failure to launch. Those are the true idiots. They continue towing the line into middle age and find themselves unable to ever back up their ideology with real-world, empirical results. They sometimes try and stage forum mutinies as an outlet for that frustration. Or, they claim moral and ethical superiority over everyone due to their inability to grasp real world stakes.

What would you have done on 9/11 if you were on the plane? What would you do with the runaway train? In PkrBum land, if anyone dies that would be a forfeiture of moral and ethical standing.  Opting for the lesser of two evils is not acceptable.  So what does that leave?  Pray that superman will swoop down and save everyone?  Well, it's highly unlikely that that will actually happen in the real world, but, hey, at least you get to keep your ethics and morals!

Those same rationalizations are what enabled the enhanced interrogation techniques. The country was in an uproar from 9/11 and were clammering to be protected and those responsible to be brought to justice and killed. Congratulations.

To protect innocent lives... bad guys are treated badly. You just find the torture more palatable than killing.

Weak sauce.

PkrBum wrote:The butthurt seems centered over not being to control certain people with which he disagrees to dictate their actions.

The sticky spam is proof.

PkrBum wrote:You do mean the process that you agreed to... correct? Was there anything in that which you feel was unfair?

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:Would you agree to an election for moderation of this forum?

No.

PkrBum wrote:Oh... the one manchild inside joke. Lame... you probably expected some show of respect from your comrades.

Get used to that result.

Floridatexan wrote:
This is not about Sherman and not about Vietnam; it's about our much more recent history...about a President who left office in disgrace but not in handcuffs...and who has openly admitted to illegal and immoral practices after the fact, with apparent impunity.  And now the B****** has the gall to run around stumping for his brother's candidacy.  The whole thing is Orwellian, from the 2000 election to the crash of the economy.  There's a pattern of lawlessness that runs through Bush's entire tenure...which is one of the reasons I believe that he and his cronies were participants in those events.  Everyone who wants to lay blame on Nancy Pelosi needs to remember...lies were told to Congress and to the public...anthrax was mailed to various members of the opposition and the press, including Democratic members of Congress.  Everyone was being spied upon as early as February, 2001.  Where there's smoke...

Floridatexan wrote:
This is not about Sherman and not about Vietnam; it's about our much more recent history...about a President who left office in disgrace but not in handcuffs...and who has openly admitted to illegal and immoral practices after the fact, with apparent impunity.  And now the B****** has the gall to run around stumping for his brother's candidacy.  The whole thing is Orwellian, from the 2000 election to the crash of the economy.  There's a pattern of lawlessness that runs through Bush's entire tenure...which is one of the reasons I believe that he and his cronies were participants in those events.  Everyone who wants to lay blame on Nancy Pelosi needs to remember...lies were told to Congress and to the public...anthrax was mailed to various members of the opposition and the press, including Democratic members of Congress.  Everyone was being spied upon as early as February, 2001.  Where there's smoke...