Torture Report Released ....

Sal wrote:You're correct.

I really don't care that the NVA tortured.

I'd like to think we are better than our enemies.

And, it's irrelevant if you believe torture is morally wrong and ineffectual to boot.

Your communications skills are simply pathetic.

KarlRove wrote:

Sal wrote:You're correct.

I really don't care that the NVA tortured.

I'd like to think we are better than our enemies.

And, it's irrelevant if you believe torture is morally wrong and ineffectual to boot.

Your communications skills are simply pathetic.

I know you wouldn't care that the NVA tortured people. It's too bad you were not involved and included in the festivities.

Sal wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Save your dixie cups the south will rise again....

Ahhh, the glory days ....

.... when the traitors rose up and killed 300,000 loyal American soldiers in defense of the most vile social system since Sparta.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:

Sal wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Save your dixie cups the south will rise again....

Ahhh, the glory days ....

.... when the traitors rose up and killed 300,000 loyal American soldiers in defense of the most vile social system since Sparta.

Yeah the victors write history ..I'll give you that.. Less than 2% of southerners owned slaves. Actually the war was all about states rights....which simply meant the states had a right to self determination.  Guys like you Sal think that the Central government has always been large and in charge. Lincoln made that happen and it really sucks....but yankees love it ... Slavery was on it's way out with industrial farming taking it's place but like all lying governments they needed a moral cause for their immoral behavior...."for the children" is usually it...I think that was it at WACO where the central government burned the children to death for the children's sake....oh well you got your history lessons I got mine.

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Boards has finally gone...

boards of FL wrote:

TEOTWAWKI wrote:Boards has finally gone...

Quite the contrary.  You see, I can speak openly and publicly about things such as my political beliefs, my understanding of history, social issues and the like without coming off as if I'm bat-shit crazy.  I suspect you don't have that luxury.

Call that what you want.

KarlRove wrote:I'd say more but I won't.  Lol. Imagine a former goatherder getting cuffed and stuffed for his RTB trip after getting rolled up.

boards of FL wrote:

KarlRove wrote:I'd say more but I won't.  Lol. Imagine a former goatherder getting cuffed and stuffed for his RTB trip after getting rolled up.

Be sure to mention that one to your liberal hippy friend jesus when you're having your nightly auditory hallucination conversation in which you ask him for stuff.  I'm sure he would get a kick out of that.  Well, based on what I have read about him, at least.

PkrBum wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

KarlRove wrote:I'd say more but I won't.  Lol. Imagine a former goatherder getting cuffed and stuffed for his RTB trip after getting rolled up.

Be sure to mention that one to your liberal hippy friend jesus when you're having your nightly auditory hallucination conversation in which you ask him for stuff.  I'm sure he would get a kick out of that.  Well, based on what I have read about him, at least.

Again... is killing the person the moral high ground?

Because that's the obama policy... and would make interesting hearings... particularly the american citizens.

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

KarlRove wrote:I'd say more but I won't.  Lol. Imagine a former goatherder getting cuffed and stuffed for his RTB trip after getting rolled up.

Be sure to mention that one to your liberal hippy friend jesus when you're having your nightly auditory hallucination conversation in which you ask him for stuff.  I'm sure he would get a kick out of that.  Well, based on what I have read about him, at least.

Again... is killing the person the moral high ground?

Because that's the obama policy... and would make interesting hearings... particularly the american citizens.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, however heinous the current policy may be, it is still the lesser of the two evils. The republican policy is worse. Much much worse. I'd rather vote for the electable candidate and deal with a lesser of two evils than throw away my vote and deal with the worst.

boards of FL wrote:I'd rather vote for the electable candidate and deal with a lesser of two evils than throw away my vote and deal with the worst.

PkrBum wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

KarlRove wrote:I'd say more but I won't.  Lol. Imagine a former goatherder getting cuffed and stuffed for his RTB trip after getting rolled up.

Be sure to mention that one to your liberal hippy friend jesus when you're having your nightly auditory hallucination conversation in which you ask him for stuff.  I'm sure he would get a kick out of that.  Well, based on what I have read about him, at least.

Again... is killing the person the moral high ground?

Because that's the obama policy... and would make interesting hearings... particularly the american citizens.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, however heinous the current policy may be, it is still the lesser of the two evils.  The republican policy is worse.  Much much worse.  I'd rather vote for the electable candidate and deal with a lesser of two evils than throw away my vote and deal with the worst.

That means you're morally and ethically biased. I wouldn't trust you to call a coin flip.

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

KarlRove wrote:I'd say more but I won't.  Lol. Imagine a former goatherder getting cuffed and stuffed for his RTB trip after getting rolled up.

Be sure to mention that one to your liberal hippy friend jesus when you're having your nightly auditory hallucination conversation in which you ask him for stuff.  I'm sure he would get a kick out of that.  Well, based on what I have read about him, at least.

Again... is killing the person the moral high ground?

Because that's the obama policy... and would make interesting hearings... particularly the american citizens.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, however heinous the current policy may be, it is still the lesser of the two evils.  The republican policy is worse.  Much much worse.  I'd rather vote for the electable candidate and deal with a lesser of two evils than throw away my vote and deal with the worst.

That means you're morally and ethically biased. I wouldn't trust you to call a coin flip.

No it doesn't. You're just stupid.

The people who brought down one of the flights on 9/11 weren't morally and ethically biased. Sure, they killed everyone on their flight, but they also saved whoever would have been killed had the terrorists been able to complete their mission. Lesser of two evils. Neither outcome is optimal, but lesser of two evils.

If a train is speeding out of control down the tracks and I have the option to divert it towards a school bus with 10 kids on board or else it will instead crash into a building killing hundreds, I'll suck it up and divert it towards the school bus. Here again, lesser of two evils. Neither outcome is optimal, but lesser of two evils.

I live in the real world where "results matter", as you like to say. I don't subscribe to ideologies that are hundreds of years old and yet have never actually been employed in a working societal model. Libertarians are overwhelmingly male, overwhelmingly white, overwhelmingly very young, and overwhelmingly undereducated.  I suspect you meet all of those criteria, save for the young part.  Most grow out of that with age, though some experience a failure to launch. Those are the true idiots. They continue towing the line into middle age and find themselves unable to ever back up their ideology with real-world, empirical results. They sometimes try and stage forum mutinies as an outlet for that frustration. Or, they claim moral and ethical superiority over everyone due to their inability to grasp real world stakes.

What would you have done on 9/11 if you were on the plane? What would you do with the runaway train? In PkrBum land, if anyone dies that would be a forfeiture of moral and ethical standing.  Opting for the lesser of two evils is not acceptable.  So what does that leave?  Pray that superman will swoop down and save everyone?  Well, it's highly unlikely that that will actually happen in the real world, but, hey, at least you get to keep your ethics and morals!

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

PkrBum wrote:

boards of FL wrote:

KarlRove wrote:I'd say more but I won't.  Lol. Imagine a former goatherder getting cuffed and stuffed for his RTB trip after getting rolled up.

Be sure to mention that one to your liberal hippy friend jesus when you're having your nightly auditory hallucination conversation in which you ask him for stuff.  I'm sure he would get a kick out of that.  Well, based on what I have read about him, at least.

Again... is killing the person the moral high ground?

Because that's the obama policy... and would make interesting hearings... particularly the american citizens.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, however heinous the current policy may be, it is still the lesser of the two evils.  The republican policy is worse.  Much much worse.  I'd rather vote for the electable candidate and deal with a lesser of two evils than throw away my vote and deal with the worst.

That means you're morally and ethically biased. I wouldn't trust you to call a coin flip.

No it doesn't. You're just stupid.

The people who brought down one of the flights on 9/11 weren't morally and ethically biased. Sure, they killed everyone on their flight, but they also saved whoever would have been killed had the terrorists been able to complete their mission. Lesser of two evils. Neither outcome is optimal, but lesser of two evils.

If a train is speeding out of control down the tracks and I have the option to divert it towards a school bus with 10 kids on board or else it will instead crash into a building killing hundreds, I'll suck it up and divert it towards the school bus. Here again, lesser of two evils. Neither outcome is optimal, but lesser of two evils.

I live in the real world where "results matter", as you like to say. I don't subscribe to ideologies that are hundreds of years old and yet have never actually been employed in a working societal model. Libertarians are overwhelmingly male, overwhelmingly white, overwhelmingly very young, and overwhelmingly undereducated. I suspect you meet all of those criteria, save for the young part. Most grow out of that with age, though some experience a failure to launch. Those are the true idiots. They continue towing the line into middle age and find themselves unable to ever back up their ideology with real-world, empirical results. They sometimes try and stage forum mutinies as an outlet for that frustration. Or, they claim moral and ethical superiority over everyone due to their inability to grasp real world stakes.

What would you have done on 9/11 if you were on the plane? What would you do with the runaway train? In PkrBum land, if anyone dies that would be a forfeiture of moral and ethical standing.  Opting for the lesser of two evils is not acceptable.  So what does that leave?  Pray that superman will swoop down and save everyone?  Well, it's highly unlikely that that will actually happen in the real world, but, hey, at least you get to keep your ethics and morals!