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look at the welfare in these blue states

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http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/compare_state_welfare_spend


illegals must devouring texas Crying or Very sad






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Not interested in the blue state model of buying votes?

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California $25 BILLION state spend pop 39 million

Florida $3.1 Billion state spend pop 19 million

that alone shows what a 300% difference between ca and fl?

and look at Illinois, they have less population and double the welfare cost of fl


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Massachusetts $8.1 state spend BILLIONS

look at mass, it has almost 1/3 less the population as Fl and almost triple welfare spend

buy them votes, its the liberal way

better hope your air money doesn't run out. your sheep may bite ya

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Liberalism loves the votes it buys

2seaoat



Please view Tex's thread......hmmmmmm

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PACEDOG#1 wrote:Liberalism loves the votes it buys

it sure does

and when that don't work. just import more

Vikingwoman



It's really too bad after all these years some people still don't know illegals can't vote or get welfare. I wonder what you call that?

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Vikingwoman wrote:It's really too bad after all these years some people still don't know illegals can't vote or get welfare. I wonder what you call that?

yes, it is really sad that some people after all these years have missed all the news reports of fraud.

Some people are extremely dense.

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btw.. one example for the dense..... lets go all the way back to 2009, because its worse now and more expensive and its true.

Illegal Aliens Get Millions In Monthly Welfare Checks

JULY 14, 2009



On the verge of going bankrupt with an astounding $26.3 billion deficit, the nation’s most populous state is considering saving hundreds of millions of dollars annually by cutting monthly welfare payments to illegal immigrants.

The savings doesn’t even include the billions of dollars that California spends annually to educate, incarcerate and medically treat the 2.7 million illegal aliens (7% of the state’s population) who live in the state that has so generously offered them sanctuary for decades. It turns out that legislators are finally realizing that illegal immigrants are draining their precious Golden State.

That’s why California officials, extremely generous with tax dollars in the past, are trying to find a way to eliminate welfare payments to tens of thousands of illegal immigrants. The move, which has caused outrage among the state’s powerful open borders lobby, would save a much-needed $640 million a year.

An example of who the state cuts the monthly checks to is an unemployed 43-year-old illegal immigrant from Mexico who gets $650 a month for each of her four children and about $500 in federal food stamps and other vouchers.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/07/illegal-aliens-get-monthly-welfare-checks-0/

and theres millions and millions in every state.

But really. This thread isn't about illegals. Its about blue states having HIGH welfare rates. And you cant deny that. Razz

Vikingwoman



That's a false article. You cannot get welfare unless you are a citizen of the US. Try doing some research and posting facts.

The 1996 reforms changed almost every aspect of non-citizen eligibility for welfare benefits. Although the provisions are exceedingly complex, a rough general principle provides useful guidance. With some exceptions, non-citizens entering the United States after August 22, 1996, the date of enactment of the welfare reform legislation, are not eligible for most welfare benefits, including Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), SSI, Medicaid, and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), until they have been in the U.S. for at least five years. Keeping this general principle in mind, a more thorough review of the 1996 provisions reveals both their complexity and breadth.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2002/02/02immigration-fix

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not a false article

welfare fraud is rampent either way

and again, this thread is about blue states having so much welfare

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Interesting.....



http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011

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Joanimaroni wrote:Interesting.....



http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011

well, they aint running over here for the great jobs LOL

Vikingwoman



Joanimaroni wrote:Interesting.....



http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011

What is interesting is you are posting info. on legal residents of the US. Again, by your own stats illegal aliens CANNOT get welfare. Their legal born children can because they are US citizens so let's get this straight for the last time and stop posting erroneous information.

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Vikingwoman wrote:
Joanimaroni wrote:Interesting.....



http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011

What is interesting is you are posting info. on legal residents of the US. Again, by your own stats illegal aliens CANNOT get welfare. Their legal born children can because they are US citizens so let's get this straight for the last time and stop posting erroneous information.

are you trying to deny that illegals dont steal peoples IDs and commit welfare fraud all the time?

and are you trying to deny that blue states have a extremly high rate of welfare?

Vikingwoman



You posted an article that said illegal aliens get monthly checks. Both you and Joani were cut down again for posting false info. so now you want to change the subject? You are renowned for doing this. You probably should just be quiet and let it go.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Illegal Immigrants. If welfare costs are to be avoided for illegal immigrants, then enforcement of the law and encouraging them to return to their home countries would make the most sense. Given the low educational attainment of so many illegal immigrants, allowing them to stay in the country means that welfare costs will remain high as well. Legalizing illegal immigrants would likely be the most costly policy option. Research indicates that half or more of illegal immigrants have not graduated high school and another 25 to 30 percent have only a high school education. Less-educated immigrants in the country legally have very high welfare use rates. Since legalization would in effect create millions of new less-educated legal immigrants, it seems clear that use of welfare programs would rise accordingly.






look at the welfare in these blue states Immigr10

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Joanimaroni wrote:Illegal Immigrants. If welfare costs are to be avoided for illegal immigrants, then enforcement of the law and encouraging them to return to their home countries would make the most sense. Given the low educational attainment of so many illegal immigrants, allowing them to stay in the country means that welfare costs will remain high as well. Legalizing illegal immigrants would likely be the most costly policy option. Research indicates that half or more of illegal immigrants have not graduated high school and another 25 to 30 percent have only a high school education. Less-educated immigrants in the country legally have very high welfare use rates. Since legalization would in effect create millions of new less-educated legal immigrants, it seems clear that use of welfare programs would rise accordingly.






look at the welfare in these blue states Immigr10

bet its higher now

Vikingwoman



What part of "illegal immigrants can't get welfare" do you not understand? It takes 5 years to become a citizen. Are you trying to say these people will quit their jobs and go on welfare? LOL!

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Vikingwoman wrote:What part of "illegal immigrants can't get welfare" do you not understand? It takes 5 years to become a citizen. Are you trying to say these people will quit their jobs and go on welfare? LOL!

What part of fraud and loop holes do you not understand?

Can you possibly be so niave to think that illegals are not getting any social services at all in this country? really

but for the sake of the argument. isnt the amount of immigrants on welfare astonishing? btw.. the ILLEGAL head of households that get those benefits for thier anchor babies are in deed, ILLEGAL and also reeping the rewards of the tax payer benefits.

This explains why places like california, texas, NY and Mass have such a high welfare rolls.

and lets not forget the FREE healthcare they get in our ER's giving birth to those payday babies.

Vikingwoman



Your argument keeps getting dumber and dumber.I don't think anyone's disputing there are people who bilk the system. There are plenty of illegals in our country who are getting paid under the table and otherwise avoiding taxes. If there are those that have gotten benefits through fraud they are few and far between w/ the technology we have today to verify identity. Your argument that they are getting welfare and other govt. benefits as a whole is simply wrong though ,so move on to a valid argument. This is one that has been proven to be false except in the minds of conservatives. No surprise.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

Vikingwoman wrote:That's a false article. You cannot get welfare unless you are a citizen of the US. Try doing some research and posting facts.

The 1996 reforms changed almost every aspect of non-citizen eligibility for welfare benefits. Although the provisions are exceedingly complex, a rough general principle provides useful guidance. With some exceptions, non-citizens entering the United States after August 22, 1996, the date of enactment of the welfare reform legislation, are not eligible for most welfare benefits, including Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), SSI, Medicaid, and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), until they have been in the U.S. for at least five years. Keeping this general principle in mind, a more thorough review of the 1996 provisions reveals both their complexity and breadth.

http://www.brookings.edu/research/papers/2002/02/02immigration-fix



Last edited by Joanimaroni on 9/21/2014, 8:52 am; edited 1 time in total

Vikingwoman



What's your point here?

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Let me see if I can explain this in order to help some people.

the cost associated to anchor babies is directly the result of the ILLEGAL action of the illegal immigrants. So the cost assosciated with these children belongs to ILLEGALS. because there would be no cost had the illegals not come here ILLEGALLY and had those payday babies

Now, what do you have to say about the high rate of welfare in blue states?

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