Dem congressman claims at least 40 ISIS members have returned from Syria

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/dem-rep-40-american-isil-fighters-have-already-returned-to-the-united-states/

So what. There are 10k terrorist gang members who terrorize our cities with drug trade caused by our artificial war on drugs where we have thrown hundreds of thousands of police at the problem. If 40 Americans are part of a criminal enterprise, the law enforcement folks can capture them just like the Aussies did. There will always be criminal elements looking to do harm. That is why we have law enforcement. That is not a military question. It is a question of our intelligence capabilities and law enforcement questions.

Stay on task.

Stay on task.

I am. Butchmeup and all the ladies who have their panties in a wad over ISIS need to take a deep breath and put the probabilities of risk in perspective. People will die, but those deaths are but a fraction of the real boogeyman which each American enters a vehicle and puts their life at risk. We need to become a nation of brave men, and eject the scardy cat syndrome.....it is really getting old.

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Stay on task.

To short of an attention span. He just rambles and then hits "Enter" caring not if he makes sense or even what thread he is on.

To short of an attention span. He just rambles and then hits "Enter" caring not if he makes sense or even what thread he is on.


Please do not project your problems onto me. I think I have had a great deal of fun lately. You make it fun, and obviously I have upset you. Try to be truthful. It helps.

2seaoat wrote:So what.   There are 10k terrorist gang members who terrorize our cities with drug trade caused by our artificial war on drugs where we have thrown hundreds of thousands of police at the problem.   If 40 Americans are part of a criminal enterprise, the law enforcement folks can capture them just like the Aussies did.   There will always be criminal elements looking to do harm.  That is why we have law enforcement.   That is not a military question.  It is a question of our intelligence capabilities and law enforcement questions.

yeah, no worries. I mean head chopping off terrorist who don't mind poisoning whole cities etc are just the same as a thug in Chicago, right?

2seaoat wrote:Stay on task.

I am.  Butchmeup and all the ladies who have their panties in a wad over ISIS need to take a deep breath and put the probabilities of risk in perspective.  People will die, but those deaths are but a fraction of the real boogeyman which each American enters a vehicle and puts their life at risk.  We need to become a nation of brave men, and eject the scardy cat syndrome.....it is really getting old.

You're pretty stupid not to think that they are not here old man. People are going to die because we have a reactive government instead of a proactive one. Scaredy? While your ass was sitting here in the United States from Dec 2001 to Jan 2011, I managed to accumulate 1139 days in a combat zone putting foot in ass for my country. What were you doing aside from benefitting as a businessman by people like me who made it possible for a plane not to fly into your place of business or home after 9-11?

Yeah, jerking off I know. That's all you do. You talk "CHIT" here on the forum, but what have you done to ensure others can enjoy the American dream???? Aside from paying them just enough money to make it from week to week?

yeah, no worries. I mean head chopping off terrorist who don't mind poisoning whole cities etc are just the same as a thug in Chicago, right?

Right like the domestic terrorist who gathered at the Bundy ranch and then killed police officer, or maybe the survivalist who just killed an officer in PA.......if he beheaded the officer would the random risk to Americans be any greater?   Sorry, people will attack us.   There is a smart response, and a stupid response.   Five trillion down the rabbit hole as President Bush with the best intentions failed to get Bin Laden........and then the Chicago bad asz gets him.......it just does not seem fair.    Is there going to be an awful major terrorist attack in the next 100 years in America.....you bet.....but again there is smart and stupid ways to deal with probabilities.

While your ass was sitting here in the United States from Dec 2001 to Jan 2011, I managed to accumulate 1139 days in a combat zone putting foot in ass for my country.

Your service and dedication is truly appreciated. However, the total waste of your efforts and the loss of American blood and treasury have not made America on bit safer. If anything a fair minded person would say your efforts have made America less safe. Not that your personal choices did this, but those who sent you made a huge strategic mistake. Spending precious resources to put out a campfire ten miles out of town while the house next to the fire station burns down, does not mean the fireman are any less brave or doing their duty.......the deployment is bone headed stupid, and doing it again would be bone headed stupid. We will not do it again, and we will not be made safe by such stupidity. We need intelligence, and a measured alliance and response......we will no longer be the lone ranger in a boots on the ground middle east war........but thanks for your service, it was not your fault, it is your fault now to encourage the mistake be replicated.

2seaoat wrote:yeah, no worries. I mean head chopping off terrorist who don't mind poisoning whole cities etc are just the same as a thug in Chicago, right?

Right like the domestic terrorist who gathered at the Bundy ranch and then killed police officer, or maybe the survivalist who just killed an officer in PA.......if he beheaded the officer would the random risk to Americans be any greater?   Sorry, people will attack us.   There is a smart response, and a stupid response.   Five trillion down the rabbit hole as President Bush with the best intentions failed to get Bin Laden........and then the Chicago bad asz gets him.......it just does not seem fair.    Is there going to be an awful major terrorist attack in the next 100 years in America.....you bet.....but again there is smart and stupid ways to deal with probabilities.

wow. you are light in the shoes.

to think that bin laden first of all was a accomplishment for Obama is incredulous. He just happened to be in the seat at the time, the ball was already rolling. and actually. I don't think he killed him. Osama died from kidney failure years ago. we were lied to by both parties.

and as far as trying to say that ISIS terrorist are the same as any murderer in the city, well again you fall short. average criminals kill someone for something, hate filed Islamic terrorist kill as many as they can manage.

You're very naïve and apologetic for this lousy administration, but I already knew that.

During bush years, we had no terrorist threats, now during Obama, we have work place violence from muslims

the border is wide open and being given a helping hand by the feds to relocate these unidentified and un checked for health people across our nation.

Your head is so far in the sand, you must have gone through the desert, kiss a couple camels and then only to find your full faced puckered lips sucking on obamas sac. keep on suckin sucker

by 2seaoat Today at 6:39 pm
While your ass was sitting here in the United States from Dec 2001 to Jan 2011, I managed to accumulate 1139 days in a combat zone putting foot in ass for my country.

Your service and dedication is truly appreciated. However, the total waste of your efforts and the loss of American blood and treasury have not made America on bit safer. If anything a fair minded person would say your efforts have made America less safe. Not that your personal choices did this, but those who sent you made a huge strategic mistake. Spending precious resources to put out a campfire ten miles out of town while the house next to the fire station burns down, does not mean the fireman are any less brave or doing their duty.......the deployment is bone headed stupid, and doing it again would be bone headed stupid. We will not do it again, and we will not be made safe by such stupidity. We need intelligence, and a measured alliance and response......we will no longer be the lone ranger in a boots on the ground middle east war........but thanks for your service, it was not your fault, it is your fault now to encourage the mistake be replicated.
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Go screw yourself.
My time and effort were not wasted.

You are one of the greatest chickenhawks ever Seaoat.

Chrissy said: He just happened to be in the seat at the time, the ball was already rolling.


You have proven time and again your inability to judge fairly . . . . . the political risks Obama took by making the decision to take bin Laden out were high.  People like you would have a heyday had it gone wrong . . . in fact, i seriously believe you would have preferred a botched mission by Seal team Six so you could celebrate a failure by this president . . . . it did not happen that way Chrissy.  We will never know but we can speculate . . . . would your political heroes have made that brave call? Maybe maybe not . . . take that drone strike but don't send in a Seal team? . . . . . we will never know.
You, as always, are charming but in la la land . . . .

WAR CRIMINAL..!!

Th Dude wrote:WAR CRIMINAL..!!

PALIN/CRUZ . . . 2016!!!!! HOW SWEET IT WILL BE . . . OMG

knothead wrote:Chrissy said: He just happened to be in the seat at the time, the ball was already rolling.


You have proven time and again your inability to judge fairly . . . . . the political risks Obama took by making the decision to take bin Laden out were high.  People like you would have a heyday had it gone wrong . . . in fact, i seriously believe you would have preferred a botched mission by Seal team Six so you could celebrate a failure by this president . . . . it did not happen that way Chrissy.  We will never know but we can speculate . . . . would your political heroes have made that brave call? Maybe maybe not . . . take that drone strike but don't send in a Seal team?  . . . . . we will never know.
You, as always, are charming but in la la land . . . .

Do you find it strange most members of Seal Team Six, if not all of them, are dead? Of course no pictures were taken and publicized to prove BinLaden's death, prior to the burial at sea.

 Remember when Saddam's sons were killed and positive ID was provided.

Another Biden blunder naming the team that killed Bin Laden.

knothead wrote:Chrissy said: He just happened to be in the seat at the time, the ball was already rolling.


You have proven time and again your inability to judge fairly . . . . . the political risks Obama took by making the decision to take bin Laden out were high.  People like you would have a heyday had it gone wrong . . . in fact, i seriously believe you would have preferred a botched mission by Seal team Six so you could celebrate a failure by this president . . . . it did not happen that way Chrissy.  We will never know but we can speculate . . . . would your political heroes have made that brave call? Maybe maybe not . . . take that drone strike but don't send in a Seal team?  . . . . . we will never know.
You, as always, are charming but in la la land . . . .

I am charming, but you have missed something along the wayward way of these long hard traveled roads.............. I have no political heros.

All I have left are pieces of idealology that I believe in. and no one represents them. Sure, some more than others. But really, no one does. My individualism is very individual.

and sending in troops is not a brave thing to do when you don't care for the military as Obama has proven. And where is the proof Obama got Osama? in the dead sea? as dead as those who supposed to have gotten him?

Hanging onto this disaster of a president at this time in point is surely for the weak minded. I am surprised you are still hanging to be honest.

Chrissy* wrote:

knothead wrote:Chrissy said: He just happened to be in the seat at the time, the ball was already rolling.


You have proven time and again your inability to judge fairly . . . . . the political risks Obama took by making the decision to take bin Laden out were high.  People like you would have a heyday had it gone wrong . . . in fact, i seriously believe you would have preferred a botched mission by Seal team Six so you could celebrate a failure by this president . . . . it did not happen that way Chrissy.  We will never know but we can speculate . . . . would your political heroes have made that brave call? Maybe maybe not . . . take that drone strike but don't send in a Seal team?  . . . . . we will never know.
You, as always, are charming but in la la land . . . .

I am charming, but you have missed something along the wayward way of these long hard traveled roads.............. I have no political heros.

All I have left are pieces of idealology that I believe in. and no one represents them. Sure, some more than others. But really, no one does. My individualism is very individual.

and sending in troops is not a brave thing to do when you don't care for the military as Obama has proven. And where is the proof Obama got Osama? in the dead sea? as dead as those who supposed to have gotten him?

Hanging onto this disaster of a president at this time in point is surely for the weak minded. I am surprised you are still hanging to be honest.

I will defer to your propensity to believe in unbelievable scenarios . . . . something . . . . anything . . . . but something that will take away from the CIC making a brave call is where you have ended up here. If your ideology is not being serviced, well join the crowd . . . it is America and we fight but at the end of the day . . . . we come together!

knothead wrote:

Chrissy* wrote:

knothead wrote:Chrissy said: He just happened to be in the seat at the time, the ball was already rolling.


You have proven time and again your inability to judge fairly . . . . . the political risks Obama took by making the decision to take bin Laden out were high.  People like you would have a heyday had it gone wrong . . . in fact, i seriously believe you would have preferred a botched mission by Seal team Six so you could celebrate a failure by this president . . . . it did not happen that way Chrissy.  We will never know but we can speculate . . . . would your political heroes have made that brave call? Maybe maybe not . . . take that drone strike but don't send in a Seal team?  . . . . . we will never know.
You, as always, are charming but in la la land . . . .

I am charming, but you have missed something along the wayward way of these long hard traveled roads.............. I have no political heros.

All I have left are pieces of idealology that I believe in. and no one represents them. Sure, some more than others. But really, no one does. My individualism is very individual.

and sending in troops is not a brave thing to do when you don't care for the military as Obama has proven. And where is the proof Obama got Osama? in the dead sea? as dead as those who supposed to have gotten him?

Hanging onto this disaster of a president at this time in point is surely for the weak minded. I am surprised you are still hanging to be honest.

I will defer to your propensity to believe in unbelievable scenarios . . . . something . . . . anything . . . . but something that will take away from the CIC making a brave call is where you have ended up here.  If your ideology is not being serviced, well join the crowd . . . it is America and we fight but at the end of the day . . . . we come together!

No we used to come together OCCASIONALLY.

Now we don't. Now it is WW3

we have a president who doesn't waver his radical ideology of socialism and weak foreign policy and promotes outright blatant racism on the country to divide us even further.

We will never be together now. I am ready to put you all on the island of Hawaii.

Chrissy* wrote:

knothead wrote:

Chrissy* wrote:

knothead wrote:Chrissy said: He just happened to be in the seat at the time, the ball was already rolling.


You have proven time and again your inability to judge fairly . . . . . the political risks Obama took by making the decision to take bin Laden out were high.  People like you would have a heyday had it gone wrong . . . in fact, i seriously believe you would have preferred a botched mission by Seal team Six so you could celebrate a failure by this president . . . . it did not happen that way Chrissy.  We will never know but we can speculate . . . . would your political heroes have made that brave call? Maybe maybe not . . . take that drone strike but don't send in a Seal team?  . . . . . we will never know.
You, as always, are charming but in la la land . . . .

I am charming, but you have missed something along the wayward way of these long hard traveled roads.............. I have no political heros.

All I have left are pieces of idealology that I believe in. and no one represents them. Sure, some more than others. But really, no one does. My individualism is very individual.

and sending in troops is not a brave thing to do when you don't care for the military as Obama has proven. And where is the proof Obama got Osama? in the dead sea? as dead as those who supposed to have gotten him?

Hanging onto this disaster of a president at this time in point is surely for the weak minded. I am surprised you are still hanging to be honest.

I will defer to your propensity to believe in unbelievable scenarios . . . . something . . . . anything . . . . but something that will take away from the CIC making a brave call is where you have ended up here.  If your ideology is not being serviced, well join the crowd . . . it is America and we fight but at the end of the day . . . . we come together!

No we used to come together OCCASIONALLY.

Now we don't. Now it is WW3

we have a president who doesn't waver his radical ideology of socialism and weak foreign policy and promotes outright blatant racism on the country to divide us even further.

We will never be together now. I am ready to put you all on the island of Hawaii.

Cool . . . I can think of worse places I suppose! Your statements do not pass the smell test . . . . socialism? blatant racism? omg, why not include something more passe' . . . . like ummmm fornication maybe? You really have gone over the edge me thinks!

During bush years, we had no terrorist threats, now during Obama, we have work place violence from muslims

Have you lost your mind this evening? The largest terrorist attack on America happened on President Bush's watch after everybody was warning him that attack was imminent.......he ignored those warnings and thousands died. As a country we did not blame President Bush, and I certainly voted for him and defended him on the PNJ, but to suggest that there were no terrorist threats during the Bush years would only be true if you said there were no terrorist threats WHICH WERE NOT IGNORED......resulting in thousands of deaths. I sometimes think people are hoping we suffer a loss so they can blame President Obama. Americans came together after that attack......but I sense traitors are waiting to pounce on an opportunity to blame the black guy in the White House.

2seaoat wrote:During bush years, we had no terrorist threats, now during Obama, we have work place violence from muslims  

Have you lost your mind this evening?   The largest terrorist attack on America happened on President Bush's watch after everybody was warning him that attack was imminent.......he ignored those warnings and thousands died.  As a country we did not blame President Bush, and I certainly voted for him and defended him on the PNJ, but to suggest that there were no terrorist threats during the Bush years would only be true if you said there were no terrorist threats WHICH WERE NOT IGNORED......resulting in thousands of deaths.   I sometimes think people are hoping we suffer a loss so they can blame President Obama.   Americans came together after that attack......but I sense traitors are waiting to pounce on an opportunity to blame the black guy in the White House.

So true Mr. Oats, your instincts are spot on . . . . Obama's opponents would gleefully celebrate some awful thing gone awry here at home to provide something of sustenance to denounce the President. Disgraceful . . .

2seaoat wrote:During bush years, we had no terrorist threats, now during Obama, we have work place violence from muslims  

Have you lost your mind this evening?   The largest terrorist attack on America happened on President Bush's watch after everybody was warning him that attack was imminent.......he ignored those warnings and thousands died.  As a country we did not blame President Bush, and I certainly voted for him and defended him on the PNJ, but to suggest that there were no terrorist threats during the Bush years would only be true if you said there were no terrorist threats WHICH WERE NOT IGNORED......resulting in thousands of deaths.   I sometimes think people are hoping we suffer a loss so they can blame President Obama.   Americans came together after that attack......but I sense traitors are waiting to pounce on an opportunity to blame the black guy in the White House.

And the Gorlicke wall had nothing to do with anything.

And the Gorlicke wall had nothing to do with anything.
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Red Herring. The chatter was international. The FBI has no jurisdiction over the same. The CIA, State, and Defense had primary responsibility. If this attack happened in March of the year after the President was in office only three months, I think one could argue like Kennedy did with the Bay of Pigs that he was handed a mess, but these warnings were clear and were made in August in his eighth month of his presidency.

[b]On Aug. 6, 2001, President George W. Bush received a classified review of the threats posed by Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network, Al Qaeda. That morning’s “presidential daily brief” — the top-secret document prepared by America’s intelligence agencies — featured the now-infamous heading: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” A few weeks later, on 9/11, Al Qaeda accomplished that goal.

The direct warnings to Mr. Bush about the possibility of a Qaeda attack began in the spring of 2001. By May 1, the Central Intelligence Agency told the White House of a report that “a group presently in the United States” was planning a terrorist operation. Weeks later, on June 22, the daily brief reported that Qaeda strikes could be “imminent,” although intelligence suggested the time frame was flexible.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/opinion/the-bush-white-house-was-deaf-to-9-11-warnings.html?_r=0

Just for your edification, the FBI is secondary to the initial CIA intelligence and the red herring of distraction does not excuse the negligence.