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New Michael Brown shooting witnesses describe scene

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boards of FL

boards of FL

http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-witnesses/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

(CNN) -- Two men, shocked at what they saw, describe an unarmed teenager with his hands up in the air as he's gunned down by a police officer.
They were contractors doing construction work in Ferguson, Missouri, on the day Michael Brown was killed.

And the men, who asked not to be identified after CNN contacted them, said they were about 50 feet away from Officer Darren Wilson when he opened fire.

An exclusive cell phone video captures their reactions during the moments just after the shooting.

"He had his f**n hands up," one of the men says in the video.


The man told CNN he heard one gunshot, then another shot about 30 seconds later.

"The cop didn't say get on the ground. He just kept shooting," the man said.

That same witness described the gruesome scene, saying he saw Brown's "brains come out of his head," again stating, "his hands were up."

The video shows the man raising his arms in the air -- just as, he says, Brown was doing when he was shot.

The other contractor told CNN he saw Brown running away from a police car.
Brown "put his hands up," the construction worker said, and "the officer was chasing him."

The contractor says he saw Wilson fire a shot at Brown while his back was turned.

The men said they didn't seen how the confrontation started.

The video, recorded several minutes after the shooting, gives new insight into the case, which has spurred a Justice Department investigation, national debate and protests over authorities' handling of the case.

The construction workers said they don't live in Ferguson and don't know the Brown family, but their account squares with accounts from several other witnesses of the unarmed African-American teen's shooting death on August 9.

Some witnesses say the teenager assaulted the white officer at the outset and tried to grab his gun; other witnesses say Wilson was the aggressor.

A private autopsy conducted for the Brown family showed that Brown had been shot at least six times, including twice in the head.

A grand jury is hearing the case and will determine whether Wilson will face any charges.

Protesters near Interstate 70 and outside the police headquarters on Wednesday, pushing for Gov. Jay Nixon to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Brown's death.

CNN Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin says the video could play an important role in the case.

"You have practically in real time someone discussing what they saw, and that's just good evidence," he said on CNN's "AC360."

Sunny Hostin, a CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, says it's important to note that several witnesses are telling the same story.

"They're saying that he was running from the police officer and that his hands were up," she said. "I don't know what other witness testimony at this point or account we have to hear. The bottom line is having your hands up is the universal sign for surrender."

Neil Bruntrager, general counsel for the St. Louis Police Officers Association, cautioned against rushing to judgment. Witness accounts are important, he said, but need to be evaluated with all the evidence.

"I'm not saying disregard them. I'm saying that we will judge their credibility by all of the evidence, not by one statement, and certainly not by a 15-second video clip," he said.


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Sal

Sal

The question is, are these contractors black or white?

That is the only way some of our posters can determine the veracity of their statements.

Markle

Markle

boards of FL wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/10/us/ferguson-michael-brown-shooting-witnesses/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

(CNN) -- Two men, shocked at what they saw, describe an unarmed teenager with his hands up in the air as he's gunned down by a police officer.
They were contractors doing construction work in Ferguson, Missouri, on the day Michael Brown was killed.

And the men, who asked not to be identified after CNN contacted them, said they were about 50 feet away from Officer Darren Wilson when he opened fire.

An exclusive cell phone video captures their reactions during the moments just after the shooting.

"He had his f**n hands up," one of the men says in the video.


The man told CNN he heard one gunshot, then another shot about 30 seconds later.

"The cop didn't say get on the ground. He just kept shooting," the man said.

That same witness described the gruesome scene, saying he saw Brown's "brains come out of his head," again stating, "his hands were up."

The video shows the man raising his arms in the air -- just as, he says, Brown was doing when he was shot.

The other contractor told CNN he saw Brown running away from a police car.
Brown "put his hands up," the construction worker said, and "the officer was chasing him."

The contractor says he saw Wilson fire a shot at Brown while his back was turned.

The men said they didn't seen how the confrontation started.


The video, recorded several minutes after the shooting, gives new insight into the case, which has spurred a Justice Department investigation, national debate and protests over authorities' handling of the case.

The construction workers said they don't live in Ferguson and don't know the Brown family, but their account squares with accounts from several other witnesses of the unarmed African-American teen's shooting death on August 9.

Some witnesses say the teenager assaulted the white officer at the outset and tried to grab his gun; other witnesses say Wilson was the aggressor.

A private autopsy conducted for the Brown family showed that Brown had been shot at least six times, including twice in the head.

A grand jury is hearing the case and will determine whether Wilson will face any charges.

Protesters near Interstate 70 and outside the police headquarters on Wednesday, pushing for Gov. Jay Nixon to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Brown's death.

CNN Senior Legal Analyst Jeffrey Toobin says the video could play an important role in the case.

"You have practically in real time someone discussing what they saw, and that's just good evidence," he said on CNN's "AC360."

Sunny Hostin, a CNN legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, says it's important to note that several witnesses are telling the same story.

"They're saying that he was running from the police officer and that his hands were up," she said. "I don't know what other witness testimony at this point or account we have to hear. The bottom line is having your hands up is the universal sign for surrender."

Neil Bruntrager, general counsel for the St. Louis Police Officers Association, cautioned against rushing to judgment. Witness accounts are important, he said, but need to be evaluated with all the evidence.

"I'm not saying disregard them. I'm saying that we will judge their credibility by all of the evidence, not by one statement, and certainly not by a 15-second video clip," he said.

So this tape, and thread, are worthless.

Thank you, thank you very much.

Sal

Sal

Yes, video that shows eyewitnesses' unscripted reactions immediately after the shooting is worthless.

Reactions that corroborate nearly every other eyewitness who has come forward.

Your contribution to this thread is what's worthless.

Guest


Guest

Mr. Markle, are the eyewitness accounts of the 9/11 attacks to be ignored because they happened after the fact?

QueenOfHearts

QueenOfHearts

On the face of it, sounds credible to me. However, I wonder why they did not come forward sooner. If I had witnessed a murder, I would have come forward immediately.

Guest


Guest

QueenOfHearts wrote:On the face of it, sounds credible to me.  However, I wonder why they did not come forward sooner.  If I had witnessed a murder, I would have come forward immediately.

Me too. But I'm not them and I don't live there. It might not be the safest place to be a white witness stepping up to defend that black thug, when everybody knows he deserved to be executed.

QueenOfHearts

QueenOfHearts

Astro wrote:
QueenOfHearts wrote:On the face of it, sounds credible to me.  However, I wonder why they did not come forward sooner.  If I had witnessed a murder, I would have come forward immediately.

Me too.  But I'm not them and I don't live there.  It might not be the safest place to be a white witness stepping up to defend that black thug, when everybody knows he deserved to be executed.


They don't live there either. I'm guessing they'd be pretty safe after going public with their statements.

Sal

Sal

QueenOfHearts wrote:
Astro wrote:

Me too.  But I'm not them and I don't live there.  It might not be the safest place to be a white witness stepping up to defend that black thug, when everybody knows he deserved to be executed.


They don't live there either.  I'm guessing they'd be pretty safe after going public with their statements.

That's what you find objectionable in that post??


Wow ....

QueenOfHearts

QueenOfHearts

Sal wrote:
QueenOfHearts wrote:
Astro wrote:

Me too.  But I'm not them and I don't live there.  It might not be the safest place to be a white witness stepping up to defend that black thug, when everybody knows he deserved to be executed.


They don't live there either.  I'm guessing they'd be pretty safe after going public with their statements.

That's what you find objectionable in that post??


Wow ....

What are you talking about? I don't find anything objectionable in his post. I don't agree with the "[B]lack thug, when everybody knows he deserved to be executed," but I thought Astro was just being sarcastic.

Sal

Sal

QueenOfHearts wrote:On the face of it, sounds credible to me.  However, I wonder why they did not come forward sooner.  If I had witnessed a murder, I would have come forward immediately.

My understanding is that they did come forward immediately following the incident. 


The video of them reacting to the aftermath is what's new. 

Guest


Guest

Video? Now? How doctored?

Sal

Sal

It doesn't appear to be "doctored" at all, PeeDawg. 


It's not a video of the shooting. 


It's just a video of two eyewitnesses reacting in the aftermath. 


It's pretty fucking compelling. 


And, they're white. 


[gasp]

Guest


Guest

Sal wrote:It doesn't appear to be "doctored" at all, PeeDawg. 


It's not a video of the shooting. 


It's just a video of two eyewitnesses reacting in the aftermath. 


It's pretty fucking compelling. 


And, they're white. 


[gasp]


But, but...they waited to come forward and that means they are lying.

Never mind that they did not film themselves reacting. Someone else caught their reaction. It's obviously a conspiracy.

QueenOfHearts

QueenOfHearts

If it was filmed contemporaneous to the event, it is much more believable.

Guest


Guest

QueenOfHearts wrote:If it was filmed contemporaneous to the event, it is much more believable.

Are we still discussing the vid that captured two white guys reacting to the murder of a black man?

QueenOfHearts

QueenOfHearts

Astro wrote:
QueenOfHearts wrote:If it was filmed contemporaneous to the event, it is much more believable.

Are we still discussing the vid that captured two white guys reacting to the murder of a black man?


I am.

Guest


Guest

QueenOfHearts wrote:
Astro wrote:
QueenOfHearts wrote:If it was filmed contemporaneous to the event, it is much more believable.

Are we still discussing the vid that captured two white guys reacting to the murder of a black man?


I am.


So you are saying the cop murdered the thug? I like your honesty.

2seaoat



So you are saying the cop murdered the thug? I like your honesty.

So Barney murdered the thug. A world of Barnies and Thugs have one common denominator. The war on drugs.

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