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The Body in the Street

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Floridatexan
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1The Body in the Street Empty The Body in the Street 8/22/2014, 1:13 pm

Sal

Sal

Powerful stuff ....

..they have built the electric chair and hired the executioner to throw the switch all right we are two nations America our nation has been beaten by strangers who have bought the laws and fenced off the meadows and cut down the woods for pulp and turned our pleasant cities into slums and sweated the wealth out of our people... -- John Dos Passos, "The Big Money," USA

I keep coming back to what seems to me to be the most inhumane thing of all, the inhumane thing that happened before the rage began to rise, and before the backlash began to build, and before the cameras and television lights, and before the tear gas and the stun grenades and the chants and the prayers. I keep coming back to the one image that was there before the international event began, before it became a television show and a symbol in flames and something beyond what it was in the first place. I keep coming back to one simple moment, one ghastly fact. One image, from which all the other images have flowed.

They left the body in the street.

Dictators leave bodies in the street.

Petty local satraps leave bodies in the street.

Warlords leave bodies in the street.

A police officer shot Michael Brown to death. And they left his body in the street. For four hours. Bodies do not lie in the street for four hours. Not in an advanced society. Bodies lie in the street for four hours in small countries where they have perpetual civil war. Bodies lie in the street for four hours on back roads where people fight over the bare necessities of simple living, where they fight over food and water and small, useless parcels of land. Bodies lie in the street for four hours in places in which poor people fight as proxies for rich people in distant places, where they fight as proxies for the men who dig out the diamonds, or who drill out the oil, or who set ancient tribal grudges aflame for modern imperial purposes that are as far from the original grudges as bullets are from bows. Those are the places where they leave bodies in the street, as object lessons, or to make a point, or because there isn't the money to take the bodies away and bury them, or because nobody gives a damn whether they are there or not. Those are the places where they leave bodies in the street.

Bodies are not left in the streets of the leafy suburbs. The bodies of dogs and cats, or squirrels and raccoons, let alone the bodies of children, are not left in the streets of the leafy suburbs. No bodies are left in the streets of the financial districts. Freeze to death on a bench in the financial districts and you are whisked away before your inconvenient body can disturb the folks in line at the Starbucks across the street. But the body of a boy can be left in the street for four hours in a place like Ferguson, Missouri, and who knows whether it was because people wanted to make a point, or because nobody gave a damn whether he was there or not. Ferguson, Missouri was a place where they left a body in the street. For four hours. And the rage rose, and the backlash built, and the cameras arrived, and so did the cops, and the thing became something beyond what it was in the first place. And, in a very real way, in the streets of Ferguson, the body was still in the street.

***

The rage rises.

The very last march in which Martin Luther King, Jr. participated ended violently. He had come to Memphis to lend support to a strike by the city's sanitation workers. On March 28, 1968, King led a march in support of the striking workers. It did not end well.

King arrived late and found a massive crowd on the brink of chaos. Lawson and King led the march together but quickly called off the demonstration as violence began to erupt. King was whisked away to a nearby hotel, and Lawson told the mass of people to turn around and go back to the church. In the chaos that followed, downtown shops were looted, and a 16-year-old was shot and killed by a policeman. Police followed demonstrators back to the Clayborn Temple, entered the church, released tear gas inside the sanctuary, and clubbed people as they lay on the floor to get fresh air. Loeb called for martial law and brought in 4,000 National Guard troops. The following day, over 200 striking workers continued their daily march, carrying signs that read, "I Am a Man"... At a news conference held before he returned to Atlanta, King said that he had been unaware of the divisions within the community, particularly of the presence of a black youth group committed to "Black Power" called the Invaders, who were accused of starting the violence.

The backlash builds.

Whites, angered by the property damage to businesses during the aborted march, blamed blacks. The President of the Memphis Chamber of Commerce told the New York Times: "You can't take these Negro people and make the kind of citizens out of them you'd like."(sic). Rev. Lawson would later note that the nonviolence of thousands of black citizens who moved back to the church and their homes was lost in press accounts of the story.

A week or two later, Dr. King stepped out onto the balcony of his motel room in Memphis. A white man shot him through the neck and he died. They covered his body with a sheet. They did not leave it there on the balcony, blood pooling around it, for four hours.

***

In 1965, the editors of the National Review traced the violence of the Watts riots back to the baleful influence of Dr. King's various campaigns throughout the South.

For years now, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King and his associates have been deliberately undermining the foundations of internal order in this country. With their rabble-rousing demagoguery, they have been cracking the "cake of custom" that holds us together. With their doctrine of "civil disobedience," they have been teaching hundreds of thousands of Negroes - particularly the adolescents and the children - that it is perfectly all right to break the law and defy constituted authority if you are a Negro-with-a-grievance; in protest against injustice. And they have done more than talk. They have on occasion after occasion, in almost every part of the country, called out their mobs on the streets, promoted "school strikes," sit-ins, lie-ins, in explicit violation of the law and in explicit defiance of the public authority. They have taught anarchy and chaos by word and deed - and, no doubt, with the best intentions - and they have found apt pupils everywhere, with intentions not of the best. Sow the wind, and reap the whirlwind. But it is not they alone who reap it, but we as well; the entire nation.

In 2014, the editor of the National Review traced the violence of the disturbances in Ferguson to the baleful influence of MSNBC.

You get the feeling that the enormous emotional investment in Ferguson from the left-from Eric Holder to MSNBC on down-reflects a nostalgia for the truly heroic phase of the civil rights movement. They (most of them, at least) can never be Freedom Riders, but they can write blog posts complaining that the police gear in Ferguson looks scary. They can never register voters in the Jim Crow South, but they can tweet dramatic pictures of tear-gas canisters going off. They can never march over the Edmund Pettus Bridge circa 1965, but they can do some cable hits. Ferguson is all they've got, so it must be spun up into a national crisis-our Gaza, our apartheid-to increase the moral drama.

They do not leave bodies in the street in Arlington County in Virginia, where the editor of the National Review grew up.

***

The story now seems to be about the "healing process" going on in Ferguson. The nights are quieter. The National Guard has pulled out. Some of the reporters have moved on to other things. There will be a funeral on Monday for the boy whose body was left in the street. It will be a dignified spectacle and it will be terrific television and it will be said to be "healing" the wounded place. Meanwhile, there are other people finding their healing in many different ways.

I support officer Wilson and he did a great job removing an unnecessary thing from the public.

An unnecessary thing.

The body they left in the street.

The body that, in so many ways, is still in the street.

An unnecessary thing.

The body they left in the street. For four hours. Ferguson, Missouri was a place where they left a body in the street. For four hours. And the rage rose, and the backlash built, and the cameras arrived, and so did the cops, and the thing became something beyond what it was in the first place. And, in a very real way, in the streets of Ferguson, the body was still in the street. What kind of place leaves the body of a boy in the street? What kind of country does that?

Dos Passos was correct.

All right.

We are two nations.

All right?

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/The_Body_In_The_Street

2The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/22/2014, 1:22 pm

2seaoat



The evil is pervasive. Good will prevail.

3The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/22/2014, 8:38 pm

Guest


Guest

Sal, you're forgetting Blackhawk Down. Yes, sometimes we cannot get to even the bodies of our servicemen who are KIA. You obviously didnt watch Lone Survivor either where am entire load of Seals and other SOF crashed
Trying to get to Luttrels team. No, they let those bodies sit until a proper response force could be summoned. I could say more but only unless I want to violate multiple NDAs I have signed so no thanks. You are talking out the side of your neck again.

4The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/22/2014, 9:12 pm

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Sal, you're forgetting Blackhawk Down. Yes, sometimes we cannot get to even the bodies of our servicemen who are KIA. You obviously didnt watch Lone Survivor either where am entire load of Seals and other SOF crashed
Trying to get to Luttrels team. No, they let those bodies sit until a proper response force could be summoned. I could say more but only unless I want to violate multiple NDAs I have signed so no thanks. You are talking out the side of your neck again.

I can't believe this post. It has nothing to do whatsoever with what Sal posted. You're talking about us WANTING to get bodies back. The article is about not caring about the body in the street.

I was told by my late husband of an incident in a small town in Arkansas. It must have been in the '30's or early '40's. For some reason a black man was lynched in the town square and they left the body hanging from the tree for several days. The blacks were afraid to cut him down. It was a lesson. He saw this himself as a young person.

5The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/22/2014, 9:12 pm

Sal

Sal

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Sal, you're forgetting Blackhawk Down. Yes, sometimes we cannot get to even the bodies of our servicemen who are KIA. You obviously didnt watch Lone Survivor either where am entire load of Seals and other SOF crashed
Trying to get to Luttrels team. No, they let those bodies sit until a proper response force could be summoned. I could say more but only unless I want to violate multiple NDAs I have signed so no thanks. You are talking out the side of your neck again.

You either didn't read or couldn't comprehend the column.

Nothing new.

6The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/22/2014, 9:13 pm

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Sal, you're forgetting Blackhawk Down. Yes, sometimes we cannot get to even the bodies of our servicemen who are KIA. You obviously didnt watch Lone Survivor either where am entire load of Seals and other SOF crashed
Trying to get to Luttrels team. No, they let those bodies sit until a proper response force could be summoned. I could say more but only unless I want to violate multiple NDAs I have signed so no thanks. You are talking out the side of your neck again.


What the hell planet are you from soldier boy? The issue was the way the cops left the victim lie on the street for four hours -- not that is was difficult or dangerous to retrieve the victim's body.

As for Blackhawk down, the general's reason for the attack was as idiotic and unthinking as was the interpretation of the Intel they evaluated.

Once again an elite force of Americans were sent on a dangerous mission which, even if it had succeeded wouldn't have represented a major step in defeating any of the indigenous warrior groups then in conflict.

Like I've stated, you can't beat the audacity and limited vision of our current batch of generals . . .

7The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/22/2014, 9:25 pm

Guest


Guest

The cops were under fire by civilians....

8The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/22/2014, 9:26 pm

Guest


Guest

As usual wordslinger, you fail to tell whole story of bh down

9The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/22/2014, 9:27 pm

Guest


Guest

Anyhow,
Cops are not trained to retrieve bodies under fire. Especially bodies that assaulted one of their own.

10The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/23/2014, 12:17 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


http://www.newsweek.com/how-strong-legal-case-against-darren-wilson-265675

How Strong Is the Legal Case Against Darren Wilson?
By Pema Levy
Filed: 8/19/14 at 12:58 PM | Updated: 8/19/14 at 1:37 PM

The Body in the Street Ferguson-protest-aug-18

11The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/23/2014, 12:31 pm

Guest


Guest

Cop is gonna walk

12The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/25/2014, 3:31 pm

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Anyhow,
Cops are not trained to retrieve bodies under fire. Especially bodies that assaulted one of their own.

What does that statement have to do with the Michael Brown situation?

13The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/25/2014, 3:34 pm

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Anyhow,
Cops are not trained to retrieve bodies under fire. Especially bodies that assaulted one of their own.

Probably out of chalk......

14The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/25/2014, 3:43 pm

Sal

Sal

There's probably a perfectly logical explanation for this (maybe it's even a typo), but I just read that the sketchy incident report has the shooting occurring at 12:01 pm, and Wilson first calling it in nearly 45 minutes later.

Weird.

15The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/25/2014, 4:28 pm

2seaoat



Serious back tracking from the moment this kid was shot.......the FBI will be taking interviews of all the police officer.......somebody has already spilled the beans.....you can bet on it. Back tracking into a forty man fbi investigation is not the wisest decision.

16The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/25/2014, 11:14 pm

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

What I'd like to know is who gave the orders to not move the body. There were ambulances in the area and people with cell phones so it is not as if the cops could keep it a secret. It just doesn't make sense.

17The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/25/2014, 11:21 pm

2seaoat



The whole thing is getting a rotten stench to it. Thank goodness the FBI came to the rescue.

18The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/26/2014, 12:09 am

Markle

Markle

2seaoat wrote:The whole thing is getting a rotten stench to it.   Thank goodness the FBI came to the rescue.

Hopefully Attorney General Eric Holder is going to be kept away from influencing the investigation.

19The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/26/2014, 10:34 pm

Floridatexan

Floridatexan


Hopefully AG Holder will be on top of this situation.

20The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/27/2014, 12:30 am

Markle

Markle

Floridatexan wrote:
Hopefully AG Holder will be on top of this situation.

Along with his good friends looking over his shoulder?

The Body in the Street Jackson_Holder_Sharpton_zpscc8ad5b7

21The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/27/2014, 12:32 am

Markle

Markle

You mean for AG Eric Holder to keep on top of this when he took over the prosecution of the New Black Panther party?

22The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/27/2014, 11:40 am

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

As far as I know the original incident report has yet to be turned in. That doesn't seem right.

Also, reported yesterday that Darren Wilson's previous employment was at a nearby police department in Jennings, MO. There was so much racial tension between the white officers and the black community that the city council disbanded the entire department. Wilson was one of those officers. It seems racial tension is not limited to Ferguson, no surprise there.

I think the black citizens need to get registered to vote and work on this problem in a long term way. The police need better training too.

23The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/27/2014, 5:14 pm

nadalfan



Not only was his body left on the street for four hours, but now I'm reading these kind of reports:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/ferguson-police-trampled-michael-brown-memorial.html

Regarding the makeshift memorial site at the site of the shooting:

"An officer on the street let the dog he was controlling urinate on the memorial site," reports Mark Follman.

The incident was related to me separately by three state and local officials who worked with the community in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. One confirmed that he interviewed an eyewitness, a young woman, and pressed her on what exactly she saw. "She said that the officer just let the dog pee on it," that official told me. "She was very distraught about it."

But there was more, as documented in the photo above by local alderman Antonio French at the time:

Missouri state Rep. Sharon Pace, whose district includes the neighborhood where the shooting occurred, told me she went to the scene that afternoon to comfort the parents, who were blocked by police from approaching their son's body. Pace purchased some tea lights for the family, and around 7 p.m. she joined Brown's mother, Lesley McSpadden, and others as they placed the candles and sprinkled flowers on the ground where Brown had died. "They spelled out his initials with rose petals over the bloodstains," Pace recalled.

By then, police had prohibited all vehicles from entering Canfield Drive except for their own. Soon the candles and flowers had been smashed, after police drove over them."

If true, it is beyond anything I can comprehend.

24The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/28/2014, 7:42 am

Sal

Sal

nadalfan wrote:
"An officer on the street let the dog he was controlling urinate on the memorial site," reports Mark Follman.

The incident was related to me separately by three state and local officials who worked with the community in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. One confirmed that he interviewed an eyewitness, a young woman, and pressed her on what exactly she saw. "She said that the officer just let the dog pee on it," that official told me. "She was very distraught about it."

Pace purchased some tea lights for the family, and around 7 p.m. she joined Brown's mother, Lesley McSpadden, and others as they placed the candles and sprinkled flowers on the ground where Brown had died. "They spelled out his initials with rose petals over the bloodstains," Pace recalled.

By then, police had prohibited all vehicles from entering Canfield Drive except for their own. Soon the candles and flowers had been smashed, after police drove over them."


Disgusting.

The police are behaving like an occupying military and treating the citizens of the community as the enemy.

This has to stop.

25The Body in the Street Empty Re: The Body in the Street 8/28/2014, 8:57 am

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

If 80% of the Ferguson population are being victimized by the cops, they have an easy remedy to that.
All they have to do is run mayoral and city council candidates who will represent them. The mayor and city council hire the police chief who is responsible for hiring the cops.

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