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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

You know the republicans are against raising the minimum wage -- totally.
Their almost constant complaint is against the government spending too much tax money on "helping" the poor -- they want to cut welfare completely.

But, what's the truth? Today a report showed that the low wages being paid by billion dollar fast food chains, is so low that 52% of their employees can't get by without financial assistance from the State and Feds, or both.

Obviously the republicans are 100% invested in protecting their big contributors, and could less about the life of the broad majority of us.


It's good to know your enemies!

Guest


Guest

I wonder what's happening to our currency that the cost of living keeps rising? Do you think everyone suffers?

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Wordslinger wrote:You know the republicans are against raising the minimum wage -- totally.
Their almost constant complaint is against the government spending too much tax money on "helping" the poor -- they want to cut welfare completely.

But, what's the truth?  Today a report showed that the low wages being paid by billion dollar fast food chains, is so low that 52% of their employees can't get by without financial assistance from the State and Feds, or both.  

Obviously the republicans are 100% invested in protecting their big contributors, and could less about the life of the broad majority of us.


It's good to know your enemies!


This is so true! Republicans are in favor of bellying up to the tax trough for all their buddies, agribusiness, multinational corporations and now we see: low paid workers of all types.

Why make corporations pay their own workers when you can get the tax payers to do it for you? Is this not a form of socialism? I'm just asking!

Republicans support socialism via worker subsidies from tax payers. Wait, is this really a plot by Democrats to subvert the capitalist system?

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Guest

I know it's a wonderful feel good talkingpoint... but in reality raising the min wage is simply treating a symptom...

not the disease.

boards of FL

boards of FL

PkrBum wrote:I know it's a wonderful feel good talkingpoint... but in reality raising the min wage is simply treating a symptom...

not the disease.


What is the disease?

Guest


Guest

Wordslinger wrote:You know the republicans are against raising the minimum wage -- totally.
Their almost constant complaint is against the government spending too much tax money on "helping" the poor -- they want to cut welfare completely.

But, what's the truth?  Today a report showed that the low wages being paid by billion dollar fast food chains, is so low that 52% of their employees can't get by without financial assistance from the State and Feds, or both.  

Obviously the republicans are 100% invested in protecting their big contributors, and could less about the life of the broad majority of us.


It's good to know your enemies!


A few points:

It's likely that most Americans (possibly including you) receive some sort of government assistance.  Think tax deductions - mortgage interest, charitable contributions, excess medical expense.  Most of receive something from the government - just in varying degrees and in different forms.

What about this 52% announcement leads you to believe that it's the "evil" republicans' doing?  The fact that there is a "safety net" for those who need it says a lot about how Americans treat the less fortunate.  There are many federal, state, local, and private programs to assist those who need assistance.  Don't you think those same "evil" republicans could revoke or dismantle many of those safety net programs if they really wanted to?

I think what a lot of folks on here want is for there to be a sensible balance of assistance: enough for those who truly need it, but without the waste and abuse that is surely happening.  The welfare rolls have swelled in recent years. Just look at the burgeoning ranks of the SNAP program, and SSD.  Are there really suddenly so many new people with disabilities?

Fast Food work does not require much from the worker. Show up and follow directions - not a lot of thinking involved.  Sure, there are those who cannot improve their situation, and must continue to work at the BK or McD.  But, the majority of us (me included) moved on from Krystal once I continued or completed my education.  I wonder about the motivation level of a person who has worked at Wendy's for six or more years (yes, there are some), at the same or near same hourly rate.  Can they trully not make the move to improve their situation?  There are plenty of opportunities to finish their HS education, move on to PSC, and then UWF - much of it at no, or low cost.  Yes, I firmly believe that education is the KEY that leads to a better life.  

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

colaguy wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:You know the republicans are against raising the minimum wage -- totally.
Their almost constant complaint is against the government spending too much tax money on "helping" the poor -- they want to cut welfare completely.

But, what's the truth?  Today a report showed that the low wages being paid by billion dollar fast food chains, is so low that 52% of their employees can't get by without financial assistance from the State and Feds, or both.  

Obviously the republicans are 100% invested in protecting their big contributors, and could less about the life of the broad majority of us.


It's good to know your enemies!


A few points:

It's likely that most Americans (possibly including you) receive some sort of government assistance.  Think tax deductions - mortgage interest, charitable contributions, excess medical expense.  Most of receive something from the government - just in varying degrees and in different forms.

What about this 52% announcement leads you to believe that it's the "evil" republicans' doing?  The fact that there is a "safety net" for those who need it says a lot about how Americans treat the less fortunate.  There are many federal, state, local, and private programs to assist those who need assistance.  Don't you think those same "evil" republicans could revoke or dismantle many of those safety net programs if they really wanted to?

I think what a lot of folks on here want is for there to be a sensible balance of assistance: enough for those who truly need it, but without the waste and abuse that is surely happening.  The welfare rolls have swelled in recent years. Just look at the burgeoning ranks of the SNAP program, and SSD.  Are there really suddenly so many new people with disabilities?

Fast Food work does not require much from the worker. Show up and follow directions - not a lot of thinking involved.  Sure, there are those who cannot improve their situation, and must continue to work at the BK or McD.  But, the majority of us (me included) moved on from Krystal once I continued or completed my education.  I wonder about the motivation level of a person who has worked at Wendy's for six or more years (yes, there are some), at the same or near same hourly rate.  Can they trully not make the move to improve their situation?  There are plenty of opportunities to finish their HS education, move on to PSC, and then UWF - much of it at no, or low cost.  Yes, I firmly believe that education is the KEY that leads to a better life.  

Hooraayyy for Amerika Inc.!! It's the fault of the workers that their employers pay them so low they have to seek governmental assistance just to get by. Golly Colaguy, are you totally blind, or just greedy as hell and a shill for the corporatocracy? It's you and your "let's screw all the 99% so our bosses can make more profit" gang that formed the legislation that allowed monster fast food chains to pay wages so low their workers suffer.

And it you and your fellow "I got mine, screw the rest of you" brothers who have the gall to label a worker who suffers from this low wage madness, as the guillty party!

Screw Amerika Inc.!! Your time is coming . . .

Guest


Guest

Wordslinger wrote:
colaguy wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:You know the republicans are against raising the minimum wage -- totally.
Their almost constant complaint is against the government spending too much tax money on "helping" the poor -- they want to cut welfare completely.

But, what's the truth?  Today a report showed that the low wages being paid by billion dollar fast food chains, is so low that 52% of their employees can't get by without financial assistance from the State and Feds, or both.  

Obviously the republicans are 100% invested in protecting their big contributors, and could less about the life of the broad majority of us.


It's good to know your enemies!


A few points:

It's likely that most Americans (possibly including you) receive some sort of government assistance.  Think tax deductions - mortgage interest, charitable contributions, excess medical expense.  Most of receive something from the government - just in varying degrees and in different forms.

What about this 52% announcement leads you to believe that it's the "evil" republicans' doing?  The fact that there is a "safety net" for those who need it says a lot about how Americans treat the less fortunate.  There are many federal, state, local, and private programs to assist those who need assistance.  Don't you think those same "evil" republicans could revoke or dismantle many of those safety net programs if they really wanted to?

I think what a lot of folks on here want is for there to be a sensible balance of assistance: enough for those who truly need it, but without the waste and abuse that is surely happening.  The welfare rolls have swelled in recent years. Just look at the burgeoning ranks of the SNAP program, and SSD.  Are there really suddenly so many new people with disabilities?

Fast Food work does not require much from the worker. Show up and follow directions - not a lot of thinking involved.  Sure, there are those who cannot improve their situation, and must continue to work at the BK or McD.  But, the majority of us (me included) moved on from Krystal once I continued or completed my education.  I wonder about the motivation level of a person who has worked at Wendy's for six or more years (yes, there are some), at the same or near same hourly rate.  Can they trully not make the move to improve their situation?  There are plenty of opportunities to finish their HS education, move on to PSC, and then UWF - much of it at no, or low cost.  Yes, I firmly believe that education is the KEY that leads to a better life.  

Hooraayyy for Amerika Inc.!!  It's the fault of the workers that their employers pay them so low they have to seek governmental assistance just to get by.  Golly Colaguy, are you totally blind, or just greedy as hell and a shill for the corporatocracy?  It's you and your "let's screw all the 99% so our bosses can make more profit" gang that formed the legislation that allowed monster fast food chains to pay wages so low their workers suffer.

And it you and your fellow "I got mine, screw the rest of you" brothers who have the gall to label a worker who suffers from this low wage madness, as the guillty party!

Screw Amerika Inc.!!  Your time is coming . . .

True to your screen name you have slung words right into my mouth - not my words though.

My words were that it is EDUCATION that will lift those who are in poverty.  Like the rising tide that lifts all boats.  BUT, it has never been shown that welfare (or whatever term you want to use) has lifted Americans from their poverty (except for a few outliers).  Welfare is what enables the poor to REMAIN poor.  Embrace  education, then watch people flourish.  It's been that way for decades.  I was born into a lower middle class household.  Through diligence in seeking to educate myself I (and not just me) have been able to pull myself to a better life.  Except for a few, this education opportunity is available to all.  

Guest


Guest

boards of FL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:I know it's a wonderful feel good talkingpoint... but in reality raising the min wage is simply treating a symptom...

not the disease.


What is the disease?

The govt and fed fiscal and monetary policies... from deficits to interest rates.

Remember when a savings account accrued a "fair" return?

I didn't think so.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

colaguy wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:You know the republicans are against raising the minimum wage -- totally.
Their almost constant complaint is against the government spending too much tax money on "helping" the poor -- they want to cut welfare completely.

But, what's the truth?  Today a report showed that the low wages being paid by billion dollar fast food chains, is so low that 52% of their employees can't get by without financial assistance from the State and Feds, or both.  

Obviously the republicans are 100% invested in protecting their big contributors, and could less about the life of the broad majority of us.


It's good to know your enemies!


A few points:

It's likely that most Americans (possibly including you) receive some sort of government assistance.  Think tax deductions - mortgage interest, charitable contributions, excess medical expense.  Most of receive something from the government - just in varying degrees and in different forms.

What about this 52% announcement leads you to believe that it's the "evil" republicans' doing?  The fact that there is a "safety net" for those who need it says a lot about how Americans treat the less fortunate.  There are many federal, state, local, and private programs to assist those who need assistance.  Don't you think those same "evil" republicans could revoke or dismantle many of those safety net programs if they really wanted to?

I think what a lot of folks on here want is for there to be a sensible balance of assistance: enough for those who truly need it, but without the waste and abuse that is surely happening.  The welfare rolls have swelled in recent years. Just look at the burgeoning ranks of the SNAP program, and SSD.  Are there really suddenly so many new people with disabilities?

Fast Food work does not require much from the worker. Show up and follow directions - not a lot of thinking involved.  Sure, there are those who cannot improve their situation, and must continue to work at the BK or McD.  But, the majority of us (me included) moved on from Krystal once I continued or completed my education.  I wonder about the motivation level of a person who has worked at Wendy's for six or more years (yes, there are some), at the same or near same hourly rate.  Can they trully not make the move to improve their situation?  There are plenty of opportunities to finish their HS education, move on to PSC, and then UWF - much of it at no, or low cost.  Yes, I firmly believe that education is the KEY that leads to a better life.  

It is no secret that Republicans would love to undo or privatize any and all programs going back to the New Deal. They seem to hate anything the government does that they think someone could make money on by putting it in private hands.

Given, there are plenty of programs set up by the federal government that intend to help people have better lives and at the same time encourage behavior such as home ownership that the government sees as being a benefit to society as a whole.

I agree that what we need is a sensible balance with programs for the really needy. What I don't understand is why we have this "ghost subsidy" of low wage workers that is just slipping under the radar for most people. I've seen studies that have reported the cost of goods going up in stores and restaurants by just a few cents in order to cover the cost of giving workers a living wage.

I too agree that education is the key to betterment. Some low wage workers lack motivation of course but even those who are anxious to improve are faced with a lack of free time due to working more than one job to make ends meet. Transportation can also be a problem as well as scheduling problems. Some minimum wage employers will not give their workers consistent hours so it is impossible to figure out which classes they might be able to attend.

Basically I don't think food stamps should have to be part of the employment package for minimum wage workers. It is the wage structure not the worker that is at fault.

Guest


Guest

I'd prefer to go back to woodrow wilson and the creation of the federal reserve. Did you ever read about how it was passed?

Reminiscent of how obamacaid was shoved down our throat... but worse.

Joanimaroni

Joanimaroni

One excuse after another from OS as to why education can not be achieved. Yet, there are numerous government programs that facilitate work, education, and financing for individuals to complete their education. Even detention facilities promote education while incarcerated.

Guest


Guest

It is no secret that Republicans would love to undo or privatize any and all programs going back to the New Deal. They seem to hate anything the government does that they think someone could make money on by putting it in private hands.

Given, there are plenty of programs set up by the federal government that intend to help people have better lives and at the same time encourage behavior such as home ownership that the government sees as being a benefit to society as a whole.

I agree that what we need is a sensible balance with programs for the really needy. What I don't understand is why we have this "ghost subsidy" of low wage workers that is just slipping under the radar for most people. I've seen studies that have reported the cost of goods going up in stores and restaurants by just a few cents in order to cover the cost of giving workers a living wage.

I too agree that education is the key to betterment. Some low wage workers lack motivation of course but even those who are anxious to improve are faced with a lack of free time due to working more than one job to make ends meet. Transportation can also be a problem as well as scheduling problems. Some minimum wage employers will not give their workers consistent hours so it is impossible to figure out which classes they might be able to attend.

Basically I don't think food stamps should have to be part of the employment package for minimum wage workers. It is the wage structure not the worker that is at fault.
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I'm not understanding your first paragraph.  Your first sentence says that the Rs want to privatize any and all the existing safety net programs. But then you say the Rs are loathe to allow any of the privatized programs to make money.  Am I missing sometheing?  

And, BTW, apparently it is a big secret - I know of no programs that the Rs want to privatize.  One of the biggies - Healthcare - has just been further taken under the "benevolent" wing of the Federal government, a la the ACA.  That's taking a private industry and making it publc!  The Food Stamp program is jointly funded by Fed and the States.  I do hear that there are those in the GD Congress (mostly Rs, but also Ds) who say that private companies can do things better than the Fed.  It is mostly true - I have been in several types of government and it sometimes does a poor job and expensively.  That said, I think there is little to no chance that any action will come of this - FEMA won't be privatized; neither will the FAA or SNAP.

The GD Congress does, however, try each year to take insurance regulation away from the States and have the big ole Fed regulate them. But it fails each year too.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

colaguy wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:
colaguy wrote:
Wordslinger wrote:You know the republicans are against raising the minimum wage -- totally.
Their almost constant complaint is against the government spending too much tax money on "helping" the poor -- they want to cut welfare completely.

But, what's the truth?  Today a report showed that the low wages being paid by billion dollar fast food chains, is so low that 52% of their employees can't get by without financial assistance from the State and Feds, or both.  

Obviously the republicans are 100% invested in protecting their big contributors, and could less about the life of the broad majority of us.


It's good to know your enemies!


A few points:

It's likely that most Americans (possibly including you) receive some sort of government assistance.  Think tax deductions - mortgage interest, charitable contributions, excess medical expense.  Most of receive something from the government - just in varying degrees and in different forms.

What about this 52% announcement leads you to believe that it's the "evil" republicans' doing?  The fact that there is a "safety net" for those who need it says a lot about how Americans treat the less fortunate.  There are many federal, state, local, and private programs to assist those who need assistance.  Don't you think those same "evil" republicans could revoke or dismantle many of those safety net programs if they really wanted to?

I think what a lot of folks on here want is for there to be a sensible balance of assistance: enough for those who truly need it, but without the waste and abuse that is surely happening.  The welfare rolls have swelled in recent years. Just look at the burgeoning ranks of the SNAP program, and SSD.  Are there really suddenly so many new people with disabilities?

Fast Food work does not require much from the worker. Show up and follow directions - not a lot of thinking involved.  Sure, there are those who cannot improve their situation, and must continue to work at the BK or McD.  But, the majority of us (me included) moved on from Krystal once I continued or completed my education.  I wonder about the motivation level of a person who has worked at Wendy's for six or more years (yes, there are some), at the same or near same hourly rate.  Can they trully not make the move to improve their situation?  There are plenty of opportunities to finish their HS education, move on to PSC, and then UWF - much of it at no, or low cost.  Yes, I firmly believe that education is the KEY that leads to a better life.  

Hooraayyy for Amerika Inc.!!  It's the fault of the workers that their employers pay them so low they have to seek governmental assistance just to get by.  Golly Colaguy, are you totally blind, or just greedy as hell and a shill for the corporatocracy?  It's you and your "let's screw all the 99% so our bosses can make more profit" gang that formed the legislation that allowed monster fast food chains to pay wages so low their workers suffer.

And it you and your fellow "I got mine, screw the rest of you" brothers who have the gall to label a worker who suffers from this low wage madness, as the guillty party!

Screw Amerika Inc.!!  Your time is coming . . .

True to your screen name you have slung words right into my mouth - not my words though.

My words were that it is EDUCATION that will lift those who are in poverty.  Like the rising tide that lifts all boats.  BUT, it has never been shown that welfare (or whatever term you want to use) has lifted Americans from their poverty (except for a few outliers).  Welfare is what enables the poor to REMAIN poor.  Embrace  education, then watch people flourish.  It's been that way for decades.  I was born into a lower middle class household.  Through diligence in seeking to educate myself I (and not just me) have been able to pull myself to a better life.  Except for a few, this education opportunity is available to all.  


Too bad the statistics don't agree with you at all -- a majority of college graduates can't find jobs -- and many of them are forced to work at McDonald's.

I won't disagree with your point that education is a path to success. But I disagree totally with your premise that welfare does more harm than good.

The 52% of fast food service workers who must take assistance to get by aren't the bad guys. It's their bosses and the republicans, like you, who do all they can to increase corporate profits at the expense of most of America.

And we all know, the dough doesn't trickle down, the bigshots don't create new jobs ... which this recession and it's mud-slow recovery have proven. What your favorite icons do with the big profits they get from exploiting their fellow Americans, is open headquarters overseas so they can avoid taxes, and they sit on the cash.

Meanwhile, the greatest buying market the world has known -- till next year when the Chinese push us down the list of winners -- can't afford to buy.

That's what your dimwitted philosophy has brought forth, Cola guy. Doom for America, so Amerika Inc. will get richer. And richer. And richer ...

Reality.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Colaguy is a perfect example of republican indoctrination -- a philosophical perspective designed to encourage corporate pirates. Colaguy bemoans the negatives of welfare and government assistance, but turns a blind eye to the fact that greedy, bloodsucking corporations like McDonalds and Walmart, through their immoral use of below poverty level wage levels, dramatically INCREASE welfare spending! Colaguy is simply to shallow to discern that when a Walmart worker needs food stamps, that it's the American tax payer who must foot the bill.

Fuck these bloodsucking Republican legislative bastards who, to secure cushy lobbying jobs when they quit Washington, sell their souls and our living standards. Can you imagine these parasites bemoaning welfare and using Uncle Sam to make up the difference when their employees don't make enough just to get by?

Disgusting.

Screw Amerika Inc. It's good to know your enemies!!!

Guest


Guest

Why should a McDonalds worker get 15 bucks am hour when we don't even pay our military that much ?

Guest


Guest

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Why should a McDonalds worker get 15 bucks am hour when we don't even pay our military that much ?

My view is "why should a McDonalds worker get 15 bucks an hour when what they produce is not worth $15/hr?"  So, is the McD worker doing the equivalent work of what a, say, executive secretary (or exec admin assist - for the PC) does?  I don't think so.  And if McD starts paying $15/hr why should the others out there who currently make $15/hr continue bust their humps?

People get paid based on the worth of their output.  If that system is broken, then work to fix the system. But the answer is not to arbitrarily raise McD's workers pay to $15/hr.

Guest


Guest

An employee must make a return... otherwise there is no practical purpose to employ one. An egregious concept I know.

A much more important problem is our shrinking value dollar. The wealthy/investors have the means to ride the bubble.

The poor and working class do not... their dollars must sustain them from check to check. What's the planned result here?

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

PACEDOG#1 wrote:Why should a McDonalds worker get 15 bucks am hour when we don't even pay our military that much ?

Better yet, why do we have an army or navy at all? Why not contract all defense work, victims like you would be making $200,000 a year, just like the grunts who kill for fun and money for Blackwater.

Face it, none of you and yours were drafted. You chose to be a mercenary when you joined a U.S. military service. Only, it turns out, you chose the government package instead of Blackwater's.

Reality.

Markle

Markle

boards of FL wrote:
PkrBum wrote:I know it's a wonderful feel good talkingpoint... but in reality raising the min wage is simply treating a symptom...

not the disease.


What is the disease?

You know, Progressives teaching people that dependence on the taxpayer handouts is superior to personal responsibility and much easier too.

Wordslinger

Wordslinger

colaguy wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:Why should a McDonalds worker get 15 bucks am hour when we don't even pay our military that much ?

My view is "why should a McDonalds worker get 15 bucks an hour when what they produce is not worth $15/hr?"  So, is the McD worker doing the equivalent work of what a, say, executive secretary (or exec admin assist - for the PC) does?  I don't think so.  And if McD starts paying $15/hr why should the others out there who currently make $15/hr continue bust their humps?

People get paid based on the worth of their output.  If that system is broken, then work to fix the system. But the answer is not to arbitrarily raise McD's workers pay to $15/hr.

Just who determines the worth of a worker? The guy seeking maximum profit with no regard for his fellow Americans?

What you seem incapable of recognizing Colaguy, is that the current system of minimum wage levels sucks from the middle class to the extent where the spendable income earned by American workers can no longer support the manufacturers. Their answer, with strong republican support is to sell their products elsewhere.

The end result is third world Amerika Inc.

Is that what you really want?

Markle

Markle

Wordslinger wrote:
PACEDOG#1 wrote:Why should a McDonalds worker get 15 bucks am hour when we don't even pay our military that much ?

Better yet, why do we have an army or navy at all?  Why not contract all defense work, victims like you would be making $200,000 a year, just like the grunts who kill for fun and money for Blackwater.

Face it, none of you and yours were drafted.  You chose to be a mercenary when you joined a U.S. military service.  Only, it turns out, you chose the government package instead of Blackwater's.  

Reality.

It is good that there are so many AMERICANS willing and able to do the work you fear and are incapable of doing.

boards of FL

boards of FL

colaguy wrote:My view is "why should a McDonalds worker get 15 bucks an hour when what they produce is not worth $15/hr?"


A better question: Why should I subsidize the cost of McDonald's products so that the people who actually consume that crap can do so at a cheaper price?

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

Joanimaroni wrote:One excuse after another from OS as to why education can not be achieved. Yet, there are numerous government programs that facilitate work, education, and financing for individuals to complete their education.  Even detention facilities promote education while incarcerated.

Education is in fact the way out of a lot of poverty. I never said otherwise. I said it was not always possible for people working minimum wage jobs to find the time, money or transportation to gain that education. If everything worked perfectly many would improve their lot through education but there is a lot of dysfunction in families and in the workplace these days and that also must be considered.

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