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Is that claim that "97% of scientists agree on global warming" just a load of bs and the truth is scientists are split on it about 50/50?

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PkrBum wrote:What's your point? The 97% wasn't peer review... it was an interpretation of scientific papers by some dudes.


Actually, the 97% does in fact come from a peer reviewed paper accepted for publication on 04/22/13 and published for peer review on 05/15/13.  It has since stood up to critique.  You would know this if you read the underlying paper that I posted for you the last time you posted your poll of meteorologists. Here it is.

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article


PkrBum wrote:That doesn't equal a scientific consensus... the scientists didn't vote or were even consulted. Apparently that's all it takes.


From the abstract of the underlying peer reviewed article:

We analyze the evolution of the scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming (AGW) in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics 'global climate change' or 'global warming'. We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming. In a second phase of this study, we invited authors to rate their own papers. Compared to abstract ratings, a smaller percentage of self-rated papers expressed no position on AGW (35.5%). Among self-rated papers expressing a position on AGW, 97.2% endorsed the consensus. For both abstract ratings and authors' self-ratings, the percentage of endorsements among papers expressing a position on AGW marginally increased over time. Our analysis indicates that the number of papers rejecting the consensus on AGW is a vanishingly small proportion of the published research


Here again, if you simply read the information that has already been provided to you before (hell, if you even did your own cursory research) we wouldn't have to waste time on the same debunked arguments again and again.


And to pre-emptively respond to your next post, which I'm sure will be "Oh yeah!?  Well what were the results of the study when the original scientists/authors were asked to rate their own work?!?! Huh?!?!?!"  

Sure, let's look at that.

Figure 3 compares the percentage of papers endorsing the scientific consensus among all papers that express a position endorsing or rejecting the consensus. The year-to-year variability is larger in the self-ratings than in the abstract ratings due to the smaller sample sizes in the early 1990s. The percentage of AGW endorsements for both self-rating and abstract-rated papers increase marginally over time (simple linear regression trends 0.10 ± 0.09% yr−1, 95% CI, R2 = 0.20,p = 0.04 for abstracts, 0.35 ± 0.26% yr−1, 95% CI, R2 = 0.26,p = 0.02 for self-ratings), with both series approaching approximately 98% endorsements in 2011.

Is that claim that "97% of scientists agree on global warming" just a load of bs and the truth is scientists are split on it about 50/50? - Page 2 Erl460291f3_online


Let me know if you need help interpreting any of that.  Reading clearly isn't your strong suit.


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Minimizing pollution is a great cause... there's certainly a consensus for that... and a role for govt involvement.

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PkrBum wrote:What's your point? The 97% wasn't peer review... it was an interpretation of scientific papers by some dudes.


Actually, the 97% does in fact come from a peer reviewed paper accepted for publication on 04/22/13 and published for peer review on 05/15/13.  It has since stood up to critique.  You would know this if you read the underlying paper that I posted for you the last time you posted your poll of meteorologists. Here it is.

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article


PkrBum wrote:That doesn't equal a scientific consensus... the scientists didn't vote or were even consulted. Apparently that's all it takes.


From the abstract of the underlying peer reviewed article:

We analyze the evolution of the scientific consensus on anthropogenic global warming (AGW) in the peer-reviewed scientific literature, examining 11 944 climate abstracts from 1991–2011 matching the topics 'global climate change' or 'global warming'. We find that 66.4% of abstracts expressed no position on AGW, 32.6% endorsed AGW, 0.7% rejected AGW and 0.3% were uncertain about the cause of global warming. Among abstracts expressing a position on AGW, 97.1% endorsed the consensus position that humans are causing global warming. In a second phase of this study, we invited authors to rate their own papers. Compared to abstract ratings, a smaller percentage of self-rated papers expressed no position on AGW (35.5%). Among self-rated papers expressing a position on AGW, 97.2% endorsed the consensus. For both abstract ratings and authors' self-ratings, the percentage of endorsements among papers expressing a position on AGW marginally increased over time. Our analysis indicates that the number of papers rejecting the consensus on AGW is a vanishingly small proportion of the published research


Here again, if you simply read the information that has already been provided to you before (hell, if you even did your own cursory research) we wouldn't have to waste time on the same debunked arguments again and again.


And to pre-emptively respond to your next post, which I'm sure will be "Oh yeah!?  Well what were the results of the study when the original scientists/authors were asked to rate their own work?!?! Huh?!?!?!"  

Sure, let's look at that.

Figure 3 compares the percentage of papers endorsing the scientific consensus among all papers that express a position endorsing or rejecting the consensus. The year-to-year variability is larger in the self-ratings than in the abstract ratings due to the smaller sample sizes in the early 1990s. The percentage of AGW endorsements for both self-rating and abstract-rated papers increase marginally over time (simple linear regression trends 0.10 ± 0.09% yr−1, 95% CI, R2 = 0.20,p = 0.04 for abstracts, 0.35 ± 0.26% yr−1, 95% CI, R2 = 0.26,p = 0.02 for self-ratings), with both series approaching approximately 98% endorsements in 2011.

Is that claim that "97% of scientists agree on global warming" just a load of bs and the truth is scientists are split on it about 50/50? - Page 2 Erl460291f3_online


Let me know if you need help interpreting any of that.  Reading clearly isn't your strong suit.

Let's begin by your helping me with table 4 please. Then I could use some help with the way cook uses the word "endorse" in polling to quantify the scientists acceptance that climate change is agw. I can spit in the ocean and the consensus would be that I increased the volume. Like I've always said... there are too many variables and information limitations for a definitive statement of scientific fact to be drawn here... I don't give a damn about some hokey interpretations by agenda driven zealots.

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PkrBum wrote:Let's begin by your helping me with table 4 please. Then I could use some help with the way cook uses the word "endorse" in polling to quantify the scientists acceptance that climate change is agw. I can spit in the ocean and the consensus would be that I increased the volume. Like I've always said... there are too many variables and information limitations for a definitive statement of scientific fact to be drawn here... I don't give a damn about some hokey interpretations by agenda driven zealots.


I'll be happy to help with this, but before we proceed I must insist that you first stand corrected about your previous comments.   You now concede the the 97% figure does in fact come from peer reviewed work, correct?  And you now also concede that many of the original authors were in fact contacted and asked to rate their own papers, correct?

You now agree that you were completely full of shit when you made the following comments, correct?

PkrBum wrote:What's your point? The 97% wasn't peer review... it was an interpretation of scientific papers by some dudes.

PkrBum wrote:That doesn't equal a scientific consensus... the scientists didn't vote or were even consulted. Apparently that's all it takes.


Once we get past this little hurdle, I'll be happy to help you digest the underlying paper.


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You offer something and then want conditions... I didn't even ask you a science question and you cave.

Tell ya what... keep your 97%... and fuck off.

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PkrBum wrote:You offer something and then want conditions... I didn't even ask you a science question and you cave.

Tell ya what... keep your 97%... and fuck off.


I want you to be intellectually honest.  That is all.  And being intellectually honest entails conceding when you are wrong - as you are clearly wrong here. If that is beyond your scope, well, fair enough.  I don't think anyone here expected much more from you.

All that said, I do think it hilarious that what you take away from this exchange is that I somehow caved.  You made two objectively wrong statements that I instantly blew out of the water.  When I ask you to man up to that fact, you declare checkmate and tell me that I caved.   Par for the course for a resident of Libertopia, I suppose!


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http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/05/97-study-falsely-classifies-scientists.html?m=1

The paper, Cook et al. (2013) 'Quantifying the consensus on anthropogenic global warming in the scientific literature' searched the Web of Science for the phrases "global warming" and "global climate change" then categorizing these results to their alleged level of endorsement of AGW. These results were then used to allege a 97% consensus on human-caused global warming.

To get to the truth, I emailed a sample of scientists whose papers were used in the study and asked them if the categorization by Cook et al. (2013) is an accurate representation of their paper. Their responses are eye opening and evidence that the Cook et al. (2013) team falsely classified scientists' papers as "endorsing AGW", apparently believing to know more about the papers than their authors.

Update 1: Dr. Tol also found problems with the classifications
Update 2: Dr. Morner, Soon and Carlin also falsely classified

Dr. Idso, your paper 'Ultra-enhanced spring branch growth in CO2-enriched trees: can it alter the phase of the atmosphere’s seasonal CO2 cycle?' is categorized by Cook et al. (2013) as; "Implicitly endorsing AGW without minimizing it".

Is this an accurate representation of your paper?

Idso: "That is not an accurate representation of my paper. The papers examined how the rise in atmospheric CO2 could be inducing a phase advance in the spring portion of the atmosphere's seasonal CO2 cycle. Other literature had previously claimed a measured advance was due to rising temperatures, but we showed that it was quite likely the rise in atmospheric CO2 itself was responsible for the lion's share of the change. It would be incorrect to claim that our paper was an endorsement of CO2-induced global warming."

Dr. Scafetta, your paper 'Phenomenological solar contribution to the 1900–2000 global surface warming' is categorized by Cook et al. (2013) as; "Explicitly endorses and quantifies AGW as 50+%"

Is this an accurate representation of your paper?

Scafetta: "Cook et al. (2013) is based on a strawman argument because it does not correctly define the IPCC AGW theory, which is NOT that human emissions have contributed 50%+ of the global warming since 1900 but that almost 90-100% of the observed global warming was induced by human emission.

What my papers say is that the IPCC view is erroneous because about 40-70% of the global warming observed from 1900 to 2000 was induced by the sun. This implies that the true climate sensitivity to CO2 doubling is likely around 1.5 C or less, and that the 21st century projections must be reduced by at least a factor of 2 or more. Of that the sun contributed (more or less) as much as the anthropogenic forcings.

The "less" claim is based on alternative solar models (e.g. ACRIM instead of PMOD) and also on the observation that part of the observed global warming might be due to urban heat island effect, and not to CO2.

By using the 50% borderline a lot of so-called "skeptical works" including some of mine are included in their 97%."

Any further comment on the Cook et al. (2013) paper?

Scafetta: "Please note that it is very important to clarify that the AGW advocated by the IPCC has always claimed that 90-100% of the warming observed since 1900 is due to anthropogenic emissions. While critics like me have always claimed that the data would approximately indicate a 50-50 natural-anthropogenic contribution at most.

What it is observed right now is utter dishonesty by the IPCC advocates. Instead of apologizing and honestly acknowledging that the AGW theory as advocated by the IPCC is wrong because based on climate models that poorly reconstruct the solar signature and do not reproduce the natural oscillations of the climate (AMO, PDO, NAO etc.) and honestly acknowledging that the truth, as it is emerging, is closer to what claimed by IPCC critics like me since 2005, these people are trying to get the credit.

They are gradually engaging into a metamorphosis process to save face.

Now they are misleadingly claiming that what they have always claimed was that AGW is quantified as 50+% of the total warming, so that once it will be clearer that AGW can only at most be quantified as 50% (without the "+") of the total warming, they will still claim that they were sufficiently correct.

And in this way they will get the credit that they do not merit, and continue in defaming critics like me that actually demonstrated such a fact since 2005/2006."

Dr. Shaviv, your paper 'On climate response to changes in the cosmic ray flux and radiative budget' is categorized by Cook et al. (2013) as; "Explicitly endorses but does not quantify or minimise"

Is this an accurate representation of your paper?

Shaviv: "Nope... it is not an accurate representation. The paper shows that if cosmic rays are included in empirical climate sensitivity analyses, then one finds that different time scales consistently give a low climate sensitiviity. i.e., it supports the idea that cosmic rays affect the climate and that climate sensitivity is low. This means that part of the 20th century should be attributed to the increased solar activity and that 21st century warming under a business as usual scenario should be low (about 1°C).

I couldn't write these things more explicitly in the paper because of the refereeing, however, you don't have to be a genius to reach these conclusions from the paper."

Any further comment on the Cook et al. (2013) paper?

Shaviv: "Science is not a democracy, even if the majority of scientists think one thing (and it translates to more papers saying so), they aren't necessarily correct. Moreover, as you can see from the above example, the analysis itself is faulty, namely, it doesn't even quantify correctly the number of scientists or the number of papers which endorse or diminish the importance of AGW."

Dr. Tol found 7 papers falsely classified and 112 omitted,

Tol: "WoS lists 122 articles on climate change by me in that period. Only 10 made it into the survey.

I would rate 7 of those as neutral, and 3 as strong endorsement with quantification. Of the 3, one was rated as a weak endorsement (even though it argues that the solar hypothesis is a load of bull). Of the 7, 3 were listed as an implicit endorsement and 1 as a weak endorsement.

...from 112 omitted papers, one strongly endorses AGW and 111 are neutral"

On Twitter Dr. Tol had a heated exchange with one of the "Skeptical Science" authors of Cook et al. (2013) - Dana Nuccitelli,

Tol: "@dana1981 I think your data are a load of crap. Why is that a lie? I really think so."

Tol: "@dana1981 I think your sampling strategy is a load of nonsense. How is that a misrepresentation? Did I falsely describe your sample?"

Update 2: Dr. Morner, Soon and Carlin also falsely classified,

Dr. Morner, your paper 'Estimating future sea level changes from past records' is categorized by Cook et al. (2013) as having; "No Position on AGW".

Is this an accurate representation of your paper?

Morner: "Certainly not correct and certainly misleading. The paper is strongly against AGW, and documents its absence in the sea level observational facts. Also, it invalidates the mode of sea level handling by the IPCC."

Dr. Soon, your paper 'Polar Bear Population Forecasts: A Public-Policy Forecasting Audit' is categorized by Cook et al. (2013) as having; "No Position on AGW".

Is this an accurate representation of your paper?

Soon: "I am sure that this rating of no position on AGW by CO2 is nowhere accurate nor correct. Rating our serious auditing paper from just a reading of the abstract or words contained in the title of the paper is surely a bad mistake. Specifically, anyone can easily read the statements in our paper as quoted below:

"For example, Soon et al. (2001) found that the current generation of GCMs is unable to meaningfully calculate the effects that additional atmospheric carbon dioxide has on the climate. This is because of the uncertainty about the past and present climate and ignorance about relevant weather and climate processes."

Here is at least one of our positions on AGW by CO2: the main tool climate scientists used to confirm or reject their CO2-AGW hypothesis is largely not validated and hence has a very limited role for any diagnosis or even predicting real-world regional impacts for any changes in atmospheric CO2.

I hope my scientific views and conclusions are clear to anyone that will spend time reading our papers. Cook et al. (2013) is not the study to read if you want to find out about what we say and conclude in our own scientific works."

Any further comment on the Cook et al. (2013) paper?

Soon: "No extra comment on Cook et al. (2013) is necessary as it is not a paper aiming to help anyone understand the science."



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How some people can be so dumb is beyond me.

The 97% is referring to how many scientist who participated in a peer review program at QUEENS COLLEGE.

Cook, a fellow at the University of Queensland’s Global Change Institute and founder of the website skepticalscience.com, had led a team of researchers who reviewed scientific papers about climate change. The peer-reviewed survey, published by Fairfax Media, concluded that more than 97 per cent of researchers on climate change endorsed the view that humans are to blame for global warming, the Morning Herald said.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/wp/2013/05/17/obama-tweet-gets-australian-researcher-31-5-million-followers-on-twitter/
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is the finding of a University of Queensland-led study that surveyed the abstracts of almost 12,000 scientific papers from 1991-2011 and claims to be the largest peer-reviewed study of its kind.

Of those who a stated a position on the evidence for global warming, 97.1 per cent endorsed the view that humans are to blame. Just 1.9 per cent rejected the view.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/not-much-climate-change-doubt-science-says-20130515-2jmup.html#ixzz35arYOAo0


so it is NOT accurate to say that 97% of all scientist agree man created climate change.

But you could say that 97% of people who participated in the Queens univ peer reviewed study agreed.

Do you understand the difference?

I didn't think so Rolling Eyes 

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PkrBum wrote:http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/05/97-study-falsely-classifies-scientists.html?m=1


I would counter this by pointing out the fact that 60% of the authors were contacted and asked to rate their own papers, though you clearly deny that fact and have yet to concede that you were wrong about it.

I suppose we are at an impasse; unless of course you are now ready to man up and concede that you were wrong when you said...

PkrBum wrote:What's your point? The 97% wasn't peer review... it was an interpretation of scientific papers by some dudes.

PkrBum wrote:That doesn't equal a scientific consensus... the scientists didn't vote or were even consulted. Apparently that's all it takes.


Is there anything you care to say at this point, PkrBum?


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Ti wrote:so it is NOT accurate to say that 97% of all scientist agree man created climate change.

http://www.learningrx.com/reading-help-for-adults-faq.htm


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Not to mention you can not get your hands on the actual data they studied.

Youre basically taking the word of a group of people at queens university LOL

not to mention also, every time a scientist comes out against global warming they get black balled.

BIG money rides on this agenda.

only stupid assed people don't understand the earths cools and warms all by its self

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Ti wrote:so it is NOT accurate to say that 97% of all scientist agree man created climate change.

http://www.learningrx.com/reading-help-for-adults-faq.htm


go learn about ice ages. You seem to have a problem understanding simple concepts.

You have been shown how the data has been manipulated. there was even a big stink when the GOV cronies got caught fudging data, and you still eat this shit up.

facts are, nothing will change your mind because you are a sheep who just follows along the path of your leaders.

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Global warming alarmists and their allies in the liberal media have been caught doctoring the results of a widely cited paper asserting there is a 97-percent scientific consensus regarding human-caused global warming. After taking a closer look at the paper, investigative journalists report the authors’ claims of a 97-pecent consensus relied on the authors misclassifying the papers of some of the world’s most prominent global warming skeptics. At the same time, the authors deliberately presented a meaningless survey question so they could twist the responses to fit their own preconceived global warming alarmism

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/05/30/global-warming-alarmists-caught-doctoring-97-percent-consensus-claims/

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Ti wrote:Not to mention you can not get your hands on the actual data they studied.


The supplementary data from the study:

http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/media



Ti wrote:Youre basically taking the word of a group of people at queens university LOL

From the Cook paper:

We emailed 8547 authors an invitation to rate their own papers and received 1200 responses (a 14% response rate). After excluding papers that were not peer-reviewed, not climate-related or had no abstract, 2142 papers received self-ratings from 1189 authors. The self-rated levels of endorsement are shown in table 4. Among self-rated papers that stated a position on AGW, 97.2% endorsed the consensus. Among self-rated papers not expressing a position on AGW in the abstract, 53.8% were self-rated as endorsing the consensus. Among respondents who authored a paper expressing a view on AGW, 96.4% endorsed the consensus.



Ti wrote:only stupid assed people don't understand the earths cools and warms all by its self


Is that claim that "97% of scientists agree on global warming" just a load of bs and the truth is scientists are split on it about 50/50? - Page 2 Grunt_SarahPalin


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Shaviv responded, “Nope… it is not an accurate representation. The paper shows that if cosmic rays are included in empirical climate sensitivity analyses, then one finds that different time scales consistently give a low climate sensitivity. i.e., it supports the idea that cosmic rays affect the climate and that climate sensitivity is low. This means that part of the 20th century [warming] should be attributed to the increased solar activity and that 21st century warming under a business as usual scenario should be low (about 1°C).”

“I couldn’t write these things more explicitly in the paper because of the refereeing, however, you don’t have to be a genius to reach these conclusions from the paper,” Shaviv added.

To manufacture their misleading asserted consensus, Cook and his colleagues also misclassified various papers as taking “no position” on human-caused global warming. When Cook and his colleagues determined a paper took no position on the issue, they simply pretended, for the purpose of their 97-percent claim, that the paper did not exist.

Morner, a sea level scientist, told Popular Technology that Cook classifying one of his papers as “no position” was “Certainly not correct and certainly misleading. The paper is strongly against AGW [anthropogenic global warming], and documents its absence in the sea level observational facts. Also, it invalidates the mode of sea level handling by the IPCC.”




Soon, an astrophysicist, similarly objected to Cook classifying his paper as “no position.”

“I am sure that this rating of no position on AGW by CO2 is nowhere accurate nor correct,” said Soon.

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CLIMATE CHANGE 'CONSENSUS' A DANGEROUS LIE

http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=854:climate-change-consensus-an-urban-legend

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No... you can go on arguing about polls based upon interpretations of scientific papers by... well... whoever.

I know y'all are in love with that 97% number... I don't think the methodology or accuracy really matter to you.

Even direct quotes from the authors of the scientific papers contradicting their interpretations don't matter.

It's strange really. I'm interested in the science and it's accuracy... your interest is apparently just spoon fed ideology.

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PkrBum wrote:No... you can go on arguing about polls based upon interpretations of scientific papers by... well... whoever.

Even direct quotes from the authors of the scientific papers contradicting their interpretations don't matter.


OK.  So throw out the 97% figure and instead only look at the figure that emerges from authors who categorized their own work.  Oh, wait, you don't acknowledge that that ever happened, do you?   Would you like to stand corrected on that, or are you content remaining willfully ignorant?


http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/8/2/024024/article

We emailed 8547 authors an invitation to rate their own papers and received 1200 responses (a 14% response rate). After excluding papers that were not peer-reviewed, not climate-related or had no abstract, 2142 papers received self-ratings from 1189 authors. The self-rated levels of endorsement are shown in table 4. Among self-rated papers that stated a position on AGW, 97.2% endorsed the consensus. Among self-rated papers not expressing a position on AGW in the abstract, 53.8% were self-rated as endorsing the consensus. Among respondents who authored a paper expressing a view on AGW, 96.4% endorsed the consensus.


This is probably the third time I have posted this.

Is that claim that "97% of scientists agree on global warming" just a load of bs and the truth is scientists are split on it about 50/50? - Page 2 Erl460291f3_online


Hmmm.  Well how about that?  When the authors rate their own work, it appears the consensus is currently trending around 98%?  

Oh...wait...in PkrBum's alternate universe, the research never involved the author categorizing their on work.  PkrBum still lives in bizarro libertopian land.  Or does he?  Are you ready to stand corrected PkrBum? The longer you put this off, the dumber you look.


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That queens study picked and chose the papers that mostly leaned toward their agenda, which in this case was reaching a 97% consensus which is a flat out lie. They picked what papers to include and which ones to not.

UPDATE: While this paper (a rebuttal) has been accepted, another paper by Cook and Nuccitelli has been flat out rejected by the journal Earth System Dynamics. See update below. – Anthony

0.3% climate consensus, not 97.1%”

PRESS RELEASE – September 3rd, 2013

A major peer-reviewed paper by four senior researchers has exposed grave errors in an earlier paper in a new and unknown journal that had claimed a 97.1% scientific consensus that Man had caused at least half the 0.7 Cº global warming since 1950.

Only 41 out of the 11,944 published climate papers Cook examined explicitly stated that Man caused most of the warming since 1950. Cook himself had flagged just 64 papers as explicitly supporting that consensus, but 23 of the 64 had not in fact supported it


http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/03/cooks-97-consensus-disproven-by-a-new-paper-showing-major-math-errors/

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11191-013-9647-9


then..............

WASHINGTON – A United Nations climate change conference in Poland is about to get a surprise from 650 leading scientists who scoff at doomsday reports of man-made global warming – labeling them variously a lie, a hoax and part of a new religion.

Later today, their voices will be heard in a U.S. Senate minority report quoting the scientists, many of whom are current and former members of the U.N.’s own Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

About 250 of the scientists quoted in the report have joined the dissenting scientists in the last year alone.

In fact, the total number of scientists represented in the report is 12 times the number of U.N. scientists who authored the official IPCC 2007 report.

Here are some choice excerpts from the report:


* “I am a skeptic … . Global warming has become a new religion.” — Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.


* “Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly … . As a scientist I remain skeptical.” — Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a Ph.D. in meteorology and formerly of NASA who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most pre-eminent scientists of the last 100 years.”


* Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history … . When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” — U.N. IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning Ph.D. environmental physical chemist.


* “The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds … . I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists.” — Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the U.N.-supported International Year of the Planet.


* “The models and forecasts of the U.N. IPCC “are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” — Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico.


* “It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” — U.S. Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.


* “Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapor and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” — Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, New Zealand.


* “After reading [U.N. IPCC chairman] Pachauri’s asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it’s hard to remain quiet.” — Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society’s Probability and Statistics Committee and is an associate editor of Monthly Weather Review.


* “For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?” — Geologist Dr. David Gee, the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer-reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.


* “Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp … . Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” — Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch U.N. IPCC committee.


* “Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” — Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh, Pa.


* “Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense … . The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” — Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.


* “CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another … . Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so … . Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” — Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.


* “The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” — Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.


The report also includes new peer-reviewed scientific studies and analyses refuting man-made warming fears and a climate developments that contradict the theory.


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Is that claim that "97% of scientists agree on global warming" just a load of bs and the truth is scientists are split on it about 50/50? - Page 2 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT-6FCyDAJEApyHOvw3pAMvOg6VQAjXgPzOTymSEFsm53CRcWD5

Yeah like I always believe scientists who peer review their own work.

That's really accepted scientific method.

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ANYONE who believes you could get 97% of any sizeable group to agree on anything has their head up their behind.

Is that claim that "97% of scientists agree on global warming" just a load of bs and the truth is scientists are split on it about 50/50? - Page 2 Global-waming-no422014_zpsceb3dc65

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You can argue for and against climate change all you want. It won’t sway non-believers over to the believer side, or vice-versa.

What I want to know is, what will the climate change proponents do about it, once they attain enough political-clout to advance their agenda? This is where the rubber will meet the road.

-What kind of legislation will be passed?

-What kind of taxes and costs will citizens and corporations have to bear?

-How might our freedoms be suppressed, if at all?

-What kind of enforcement tools will be employed?

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