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America was "mental" when we invaded Iraq!

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Wordslinger
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Wordslinger

Wordslinger

By 2004 the subject of Iraq's political and cultural divisions -- i.e. Sunnis vs. Shias vs. Kurds -- was already mainstream news on right, left and center oriented media.  I remember dozens of articles predicting that after our eventual exit from the country, the place would descend to civil war chaos.

All those predictions came true.

Now the neocons are screaming for us to re-enter combat in Iraq in order to "save what we built."

Other right wing whackos claim we "won the war in Iraq."  

Frankly Scarlet ... I don't give a damn about who runs Iraq.  I never did.

The democracy we spent so much money and blood creating was doomed from the start.  The truth is, except for Germany and Japan in WWII, we've never been able to create a functioning democracy and state by military means.

Which, of course, the Pentagon and all our two-bit loser generals, absolutely refuse to recognize.

Maybe Pacedog will volunteer and go back where he won our war?

no stress

no stress

America was "mental" when we invaded Iraq! 19647910

Guest


Guest

There is one advantage that iraq has that may make it very difficult for islamic extremists to control... their culture was opened to the freedom of information. Like egypt... that may make it very difficult to put the toothpaste back in the tube.

Freedom of information/education and women/minority rights is a theocracies worst enemy.

othershoe1030

othershoe1030

The Iraq War was a miserable failure from the pile of BS offered as the excuses to enter into it to the current situation there. It is a complicated situation apparently too complex for us to understand much less influence.

We have to realize that in spite of our overwhelming military power it is not enough to combat and control centuries old traditions and beliefs of an ancient culture such as that in the Middle East. Tragic as the situation may be there on so many fronts we have to admit that it is beyond our control.

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

The very last thing we need to do is re-invade Iraq. Too bad our political establishment failed to see how stupid and wasteful it was to invade the country in the first place. Everything you are seeing in Iraq today was predicted before George Bush launched his invasion.

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Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

ZVUGKTUBM wrote: Everything you are seeing in Iraq today was predicted before George Bush launched his invasion.[/color]

Predicted about ten years earlier.  In 1992.



   "We made a very conscious decision not to proceed for several reasons, in part because as soon as you go to Baghdad to get Saddam Hussein, you have to recognize that you’re undertaking a fairly complex operation. It’s not the kind of situation where we could have pulled up in front of the presidential palace in Baghdad and said, come on, Saddam, you’re going to the slammer. We would have had to run him to ground. ... It would have required extensive military forces to achieve that.

   But let’s assume for the moment that we would have been able to do it — ... Then the question comes [of] putting a government in place of the one you’ve just gotten rid of; you can’t just sort of turn around and walk away — you have now accepted the responsibility for what happens in Iraq. What kind of government do you want us to create in place of the old Saddam Hussein government? Do you want a Sunni government, or a Shi’a government or maybe it ought to be a Kurdish government, or maybe one based on the Ba’ath Party or maybe some combination of all of those? How long is that government likely to survive without U.S. military forces there to keep it propped up?

   If you get into the business of committing U.S. forces on the ground in Iraq, to occupy the place, my guess is I’d probably still have people there today instead of having been able to bring them home. ..."

   -Then Secretary of Defense Dick Cheney

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Guest

No wordslinger I just want us to fly enough sorties to destroy all
The equipment that al Qaeda in Iraq just took from the Iraqi army so that it won't be used against us

Markle

Markle

othershoe1030 wrote:The Iraq War was a miserable failure from the pile of BS offered as the excuses to enter into it to the current situation there. It is a complicated situation apparently too complex for us to understand much less influence.

We have to realize that in spite of our overwhelming military power it is not enough to combat and control centuries old traditions and beliefs of an ancient culture such as that in the Middle East. Tragic as the situation may be there on so many fronts we have to admit that it is beyond our control.

Clinton also said Bush should not be faulted if banned weapons of mass destruction aren't found.

"I don't think you can criticize the President for trying to act on the belief that they have a substantial amount of chemical and biological stock. . . . That is what I was always told," Clinton said.
-  Former President Clinton Wednesday, April 16, 2003

"Could Be One of the Great Achievements of This Administration" The vice president said he’d been to Iraq 17 times and visits the country every three months or so. "I know every one of the major players in all the segments of that society" he said. "It's impressed me. I've been impressed how they have been deciding to use the political process rather than guns to settle their differences."
- Vice President Joe Biden (D) Feb. 10, 2010

How has the war President Barack Hussein Obama said we SHOULD have been fighting going?  How is the Middle East going now that President Obama is President?  Oh, Afghanistan just crossed 2,330 American fatalities.  Seventy percent of whom died since President Obama took office.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Is45Jwqizc



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ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

America was "mental" when we invaded Iraq! 11010310

October 6, 2003 issue.

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Markle

Markle

ZVUGKTUBM wrote:America was "mental" when we invaded Iraq! 11010310

October 6, 2003 issue.

General Petraeus won the war. It became the war of President Barack Hussein Obama January 2009.

It is now an unmitigated catastrophe and getting worse by the day due to the failed policies of President Obama.


Wordslinger

Wordslinger

Markle wrote:
ZVUGKTUBM wrote:America was "mental" when we invaded Iraq! 11010310

October 6, 2003 issue.

General Petraeus won the war.  It became the war of President Barack Hussein Obama January 2009.

It is now an unmitigated catastrophe and getting worse by the day due to the failed policies of President Obama.




We won the war in Iraq? Our mission was to remove Saddam and build a functioning democracy. We failed.

Reality.

Guest


Guest

It should be a lesson to us that we should never engage in a full military campaign again unless it's to save ourselves.

I say screw the agreements not to target a nations leaders... if they are invading neighbors or killing citizens...

Then we should surgically drone those leaders... the message being clear that if you promote atrocities...

You will be killed... if you take that persons place and continue... you wil be killed... sooner or later they'll catch on.

Hospital Bob

Hospital Bob

PkrBum wrote:

I say screw the agreements not to target a nations leaders... if they are invading neighbors or killing citizens...

Then we should surgically drone those leaders... the message being clear that if you promote atrocities...

You will be killed... if you take that persons place and continue... you wil be killed... sooner or later they'll catch on.

I've been saying that for a long time. And you're the first person I've ever heard who is saying it too.

As I've said before, this is the policy in effect now. It's like if after Charles Manson ordered his brainwashed little minions to go slaughter a house full of innocent people, and the Chief of Police knew Manson was the ringleader and knew where he was hole up. And instead of sending a swat team to take out Manson, the Chief's hands are tied and all the law will permit him to do is to occupy the entire neighborhood where Manson is located and bomb the whole neighborhood into oblivion instead.

gatorfan



Wordslinger wrote:B

Now the neocons are screaming for us to re-enter combat in Iraq in order to "save what we built."

Which, of course, the Pentagon and all our two-bit loser generals, absolutely refuse to recognize.

Hmmmm. Who, exactly is "screaming" for war? The White House who is considering air strikes without the means to rescue pilots who might be shot down?

Also, I don't believe the "Pentagon" sets policy or instigates wars. That would be the purview of elected airheads whose incompetence is well established.

Iraq was a mistake to begin with and a mistake the way BHO declared an end to it.

Afghanistan is going to be worse.

But let's resign ourselves to the mistakes and accept the fact that we can't and shouldn't attempt to effect nation changes by force, particularly in the Mideast.

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Guest

Actually... Obama just followed the bush exit strategy for iraq set up prior to his leaving office.

So y'all can just blame bush for this too... tada... political problem solved.

LOOSE THE BOMBS..!!

gatorfan



PkrBum wrote:Actually... Obama just followed the bush exit strategy for iraq set up prior to his leaving office.

So y'all can just blame bush for this too... tada... political problem solved.

LOOSE THE BOMBS..!!

Yep, Bush was wrong going in and once in there was no way to successfully exit. Bombs aren't going to solve the problems over there, until the Iraqi people decide to stand up and claim their country there will be no solution.

I did find this interesting:

"IRBIL, Iraq — Volunteers flocked to protect the Iraqi capital on Friday from militants inspired by al-Qaeda, as the country’s top Shiite religious leaders issued a call to arms in the face of the insurgents’ rapid advances and the crumbling of Iraqi security forces."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/volunteers-flock-to-defend-baghdad-as-insurgents-seize-more-iraqi-territory/2014/06/13/10d46f9c-f2c8-11e3-914c-1fbd0614e2d4_story.html?hpid=z1

ZVUGKTUBM

ZVUGKTUBM

General Petraeus won the war. It became the war of President Barack Hussein Obama January 2009.

It is now an unmitigated catastrophe and getting worse by the day due to the failed policies of President Obama.

America was "mental" when we invaded Iraq! Laughi17

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http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/13/world/meast/iraq-violence/

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